KILL LA KILL #14 Special Review!

Topic started by No_name_here on Jan. 15, 2014. Last post by Lurkero 7 months, 3 weeks ago.
Post by No_name_here (856 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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Huh. Well, that was quicker passage through the Valley of the Shadow of Death than I was really expecting…

Slavish, rote devotion to Joe Campbell’s monomyth has never sat right with me but - - all the same - - if you’re going to play the card of your Heroine with1,000 Faces ‘dying,’ then you ought to play it for all it’s worth. Ryuko gets stripped of her signature super-suit, and you'd figure her downtime would last longer than (basically) a scene, right? It honestly smells like Trigger just got bored with paying those structural paces their due diligence and wanted to jump straight back into the sexy super moves.

(Incidentally, the way that Ryuko’s heroic theme plays every time she enters, and fades out when she leaves as if she’s playing it on a big ol’ jam box, was one of the best gags in the whole series).

I don’t where the hell this show is going and, thinking about developments like this, I again get the feeling that Trigger doesn’t really doesn’t know where it’s going, either. There isn’t any wrong with that, per se: it just means that this is maybe proving to be a longer-form free association romp like DEAD LEAVES; as opposed to a more organized heroic thesis like GURREN LAGANN. The concept of our Four Horsemen wearing tracksuits, now, as they go out and challenge other school’s councils is a rad one but, like I said last time, the timing still feels a bit off. It took too long to get to this twist.

Watch, Ride Like the Wind” and decide for yourself, then read my comments on the previous episode.

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Post by ZombiePie (861 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Huh, to think that back in the day I got a lot of hate mail for discussing the "Hero of 1,000 Faces" with Summer Wars. Anyways I didn't really like this episode either. I mean it had this kind of shit in it (could have been the sub I watched it with):

Post by FoxxFireArt (2,642 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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I really enjoyed this episode. Maybe because it had one of the most Gainax-vibes. That may be due to all of the Ryuko's bad-ass moments on a bike. The scarf look is also pretty cool. Shame I don't think it will last too long.

I'm not much up on modern Kansai, but I'm curious if there is some level of political commentary in the designs of the three cities. One depends too much on foreign intervention, one is stuck in the past, and another is corrupted by greed.

I'm fine with Ryuko getting most of Senketsu back quickly. A right side better than spending an episode on some "training" episode cliche, then having her spend the rest of the series getting him back a bit at a time. It also illustrates her growth. Before, she was getting her butt clobbered by a Goku Uniform. Now, she's taking out remodeled uniforms boosted by parts of a kamui in an instant.

The way this episode ends leaves me excited for what's next. It quite literally left me wanting more. I'm fascinated that Satsuki would keep the Seki Tekko, and be wearing it. She doesn't even need it. She must have known that Ryuko would come looking for the shards. For whatever reason, Satsuki wants Ryuko focused on her.

Sure, I don't know where the series is going, but that's more likely because this next arc of the story is only just beginning. the first arc was about Ryuko discovering the truth she was seeking when she arrived at Honnouji Academy. I would also be kind of bored if this was moving in some predictable manner. Satsuki is poised to prevail in taking over. What will happen next? Likely, Revocs and Nudist Beach will start playing bigger roles.

The only part of this episode that breaks for me is how Mako could have possibly known a scrap of black cloth attached to a Goku Uniform was part of Senketsu.

Post by Lurkero (408 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Perhaps Kill la Kill played it's best cards early. That or it is putting together another great hand.

Doesn't bother me much. Kill la Kill is better than 95% of other anime available (in my opinion).

@ZombiePie said:

Huh, to think that back in the day I got a lot of hate mail for discussing the "Hero of 1,000 Faces" with Summer Wars. Anyways I didn't really like this episode either. I mean it had this kind of shit in it (could have been the sub I watched it with):

Why would you watch fansubs when Kill la Kill is available on multiple legal streaming channels? Support the industry, people.

Post by ZombiePie (861 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@Lurkero: Because I hate myself, and also I know someone who is working on one of them.

Post by Marshal Victory (2,205 posts) See mini bio Level 13

It surrpised me to how fast it went threw the gota gather them all arch .That will probly end up as two episodes.But i also think Trigger is messing with those who know story tricks an patterns.Not only does it bob when you think it is gona weave but they throw in a few gag jabs right back at you.

Just like the gag with her " ring" music this epside played our expectations .But never really offends enuff to make one want to stop watching.Mostly for me it is because its a looney tune type anime.

Post by LHWKnight (2,733 posts) See mini bio Level 12

I'm kind of glad it was short gathering the pieces up

Post by takashichea (12,250 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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Episode was pretty showy. Lots of Sakuga animation and nonsensical things. The schools and cities all had something unique. Highlights for me were Aikuro stripping, Mako going over Octopus Balls, and Ryuko riding that motorcycle.

Post by ZombiePie (861 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Alright I've had some time to mull over this episode, and part of the reason why I didn't like it had to do with two facts. Firstly Trigger wasted a good opportunity to build Matoi as a character, and secondly the battle scene reeked of "plot by convenience."

With my first point I'd like to say that I really was excited to see how Trigger handled the mechanic of having Mati not have her Kamui suit. The death of Senketsu was a great opportunity for Trigger to develop Matoi as a character. You know maybe detail exactly why she's become so attached to Senketsu, or detail more about her back story. Hell I would have accepted a good training montage where she learned how to overcome her lack of a Kamui suit, or maybe having her use her intellect to outsmart people who are more powerful than her. She was powerless and brought down in status, and that would have been a great chance to detail who she is and why we are rooting for her as she continues her revenge rampage.

Wait why are we rooting for her? OH WAIT THAT'S RIGHT! She's the protagonist! Yet she continues to be the worst character of this show. You wouldn't know it if you judged the show entirely by its narrative. Matoi has continued to be impulsive and self-centered. Her de-powering thus has taught her NOTHING, and she's simply doing the same stuff when she had Senketsu. She simply bursts into the scene and beats everyone up.

Huh, wait a minute how is that possible? Doesn't she like have nothing? This raises my next problem:

Kill la Kill doesn't play by any of its rules...and it's is infuriating. The entire battle scene was a false dilemma. If the show followed its own logic that Kamui suits are made of 100% life fibers then their is no excuse that Honnoji isn't rolling through the other schools without trouble. They have armed their cannon fodder with Senketsu, should they be an army of Terminators? How is Matoi magically stronger than everyone else with the Kamui pieces? Mako was able to neuter money guy and she's a zero star...so why isn't the army of Kamui infused drones able to squash him or Matoi? Why?

My other nitpicky bullshit asshole points about this episode:

  1. So you have all of these pieces to one of the most powerful suits in your universe. Why waste them on nobodies and cannon fodder?
  2. Why would you have all of the pieces to this powerful suit all located in one spot? Aren’t you trying to attack all of Japan? Isn't that just going to set you up for a confrontation with someone who wants to kill you?
  3. So wait, your most powerful and trusted “generals” didn’t get any of this extra powerful suit technology? Why?
  4. Would it really have been that hard to just pop Matoi’s motorcycle tires…or like shoot her center mass? I mean this universe has no shortage of spikes.
  5. Is everyone stupid about Aikuro? You have this guy who is a self-professed member for a terrorist group…shouldn’t he be arrested by now?
  6. So despite being a zero star Mako still has her fighting abilities seeing how she was able to grab all of the shots from money guy...how is that possible?

I say all of this because I'm left concerned. Trigger is quickly showing that they can't tell a story, or at least one that doesn't fall victim to plot by convenience.

Post by whiskers (128 posts) See mini bio Level 8

@ZombiePie: I must say I agree with some of your points. Maybe, but I seriously doubt so, there will be some sort of explanation for some things that seem rather overlooked on the writers' part in the next episodes. Most likely not. Most likely this will end up as one of those shows where the only thing that matters is that someone is blowing something up and/or kicking someone's behind and as long as that is happening who cares about the story. I wish there were more interactions between the characters and more of their background stories, not just constant school battles. But, I guess that's the purpose of the show anyway.

Post by FoxxFireArt (2,642 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@ZombiePie: @whiskers:

All the Kamui pieces are in one area, because the Kansai region is the last area to be conquered. The rest of the nation has already fallen to Satsuki. It's been mentioned several times in this series, and was repeated last episode that there is apparently some reason Satsuki saved them for last.

The whole war is a parody of school trips in general. The Kansai region is a popular school trip destination for various schools. Partly because of its historical significance.

Senketsu pieces are used on smaller members because that's practically all that's left of the Student Council after the Naturals Election weeded out undesirables. The Elite Four don't need them. It makes more sense to boost your front line foot soldiers when waging a full scale war against an opponent that will likely only have numbers on their side. Given the choice between boosting a small few or a larger number. Boosting your numbers is a smarter choice.

We've also already seen what happens if someone is given too much power from Life Fibers. They could lose control of themselves. That's why those with high tolerance were selected, and Elite Four would been needed to control anyone.

The complaints about Mako catching the money are beyond nitpicking when you're analyzing a sight-gag. It's the equivalent of complaining how Bugs Bunny can cause a shotgun to fire out of the wrong side of the barrel by changing the side of the iron sights. How does that work?

I've had no problems with the story telling. The first arc was about Ryuko finding answers, learning what the powers of a kamui are capable of doig, and understanding the consequence of losing control. It's too hard to tell what this new arc is about, but that's because it's only an episode or two in. it's likely that Revocs and Nudist Beach will start playing bigger roles in the story. Satsuki will likely conquer Japan after next episode. Next step in the story is likely what Revocs has planned for the world.

Post by whiskers (128 posts) See mini bio Level 8

@FoxxFireArt: Thanks for that analysis. That part with the kamui pieces was bugging me the most I guess. Wouldn't it also be plausible that Senketsu only works on Ryuuko? After all, her dad made it.

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@Lurkero said:

Perhaps Kill la Kill played it's best cards early. That or it is putting together another great hand.

Doesn't bother me much. Kill la Kill is better than 95% of other anime available (in my opinion).

@ZombiePie said:

Huh, to think that back in the day I got a lot of hate mail for discussing the "Hero of 1,000 Faces" with Summer Wars. Anyways I didn't really like this episode either. I mean it had this kind of shit in it (could have been the sub I watched it with):

Why would you watch fansubs when Kill la Kill is available on multiple legal streaming channels? Support the industry, people.

Actually, that subtitle is the same in Crunchyroll.

Post by ZombiePie (861 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@FoxxFireArt: See you haven't addressed any of my points about Matoi being the worst character of the show, and as a result I have very little interest in what she faces or does. I still don't understand why I should root for her besides the fact that the writers want me to. The show constantly blows its wad by having these massive battles that end up featuring villains that are ten times more interesting her, and seeing how she is the protagonist...that's a major problem.

@takashichea: That's honestly the worst thing ever.

Post by FoxxFireArt (2,642 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@ZombiePie:

See you haven't addressed any of my points about Matoi being the worst character of the show, and as a result I have very little interest in what she faces or does.

That's only because I tend to avoid questioning opinions of others and kept my reply to pointing out blatant factual errors.

This is a journey based series. Ryuko starts as a rough loner out for answers, and the first arc at school was about her making connections to others and learning her abilities with a kamui. Also the rists of that power. I like that the growth of the kamui was done incrementally in place of spending an episode on some cliche training. It also makes sense seeing how Senketsu's growth is partly due to absorbing the Life Fibers of fallen foes.

In the series so far, Ryuko has grown. She's made a best friend when she used to be only about fighting and getting into trouble, likely acting out when she felt abandoned by her family. It was then Mako's family that became for her what she's always wanted.

In her battle with Tsumugu, Ryuko made a stronger connection with Senketsu after witnessing he was willing to sacrifice himself for her. He was no longer a tool, but her friend. It was in the episode directly after this she started to tend to him more and show concern for his pain.

Later, she became a person who was willing to risk both her life and her quest over her friendship with Mako. Now that Ryuko has the answer to her father's killer, she needs to learn to control the power she has if she wants to face Nui. She's also a character who doesn't like seeing the weak suffer in front of her. If you aren't willing to support a character that does that is up to you.

I personally like Ryuko, and I look forward to seeing how she grows. I've also been surprised by how much I'm growing to like Satsuki. I wasn't expecting that. Next, Ryuko's going to have to face Satsuki, a person she can barely manage with full power; but she's willing to take that risk for Senketsu.

You don't always have to like the main protagonist. There are people who don't like Goku because he's such a simpleton, and Luffy for the same reason. I personally hated Light Yagami with a passion to the point where I question the morals of anyone who agreed with him. Considering he's completely willing to kill innocent people for his own grandeur and enjoys it.

I'm personally not too fond of Naruto, but he's had his moments where he impresses me. In GURREN LAGANN, Simon was little more than an annoying kid with a lot of power. I started to like him more after he finally got over Kamina's death. That wasn't until way into the series.

Just because the extent or speed of this character's growth and evolution isn't to your liking doesn't mean there is none. If you don't like Ryuko, that's a valid opinion to have. The same way all the fan service (T&A) makes Tom uncomfortable. Yet, I see people questioning him on that. It doesn't bother me at all, but if it bothers him then it bothers him. There's no reason to give him a hard time about it or question it.

@takashichea:

On the topic of "Pwning". I'll have to go back and listen to that line more carefully, but I doubt that's something made up by the people doing the subtitles. I'm still learning Japanese, and I'm not too familiar with slang terms. Overall, he's a computer obsessed kind of character. That doesn't sound too far out of character for him.

Though, when you're highlighting a single word from one line of an episode as a reason to complain. It starts to sounds as if you're just looking for reasons not to like something.

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@FoxxFireArt:

No worries, Foxx. I wasn't complaining. I was confirming that Crunchyroll was doing the same line for Lukero and Zombie Pie. That's it. I still love the series.

Post by JasonBog (29 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@FoxxFireArt: "The complaints about Mako catching the money are beyond nitpicking when you're analyzing a sight-gag. It's the equivalent of complaining how Bugs Bunny can cause a shotgun to fire out of the wrong side of the barrel by changing the side of the iron sights. How does that work?"

That is an awfully wrong comparison to Looney Tunes. The point he was trying to make how a zero-star like Mako suddenly had the skills to catch the money was very fair. This isn't a matter of physical plausibility for the sake of comedy, it's a matter of plot inconsistency which this anime has quite a few of. It's an absolute mess in its attempts to parody the high school system with real-world politics, and the metaphor for social hierarchy revolving around clothes is profoundly stupid.

If anything, pandering to the painfully obvious and blatantly pointed-out character development. And the fact that you are giving ZombiePie such a hard time about his subjective take is, in fact, "beyond nitpicking."

Post by YotaruVegeta (576 posts) See mini bio Level 12

I think Trigger absolutely knows where they're going with this story, and it's not hard to see. Ryuko will get her rematch with the killer of her father, then face Satsuki's Momma, where Satsuki may have to team up with Ryuko, because her Mom is just to powerful-- and shiny-- to face alone.

@ZombiePie:

A lot of your "nitpicks" is unnecessarily asking real world logic to be put into a show where people get launched into the air and spin endlessly, while naked. Yes, you can point out things that don't make sense in any show, but I could argue "Why doesn't Satsuki just kill Ryoko at any time, because she seems superior?"

Also, Mako is comedic relief. You do know this, don't you? That also goes for @JasonBog. That's taking things way too seriously. You do know that firing money from a gun is as impossible as catching it is, right?

Post by Marshal Victory (2,205 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@YotaruVegeta: Agree with the points you post there. I keep saying its a Looney Tune anime sigh . Real world logic stops at the door of Looney Tunes.

I also agree they know what they are doing. Really think at this point they are playing with story tricks just to mess with people who understand them.

Post by Lurkero (408 posts) See mini bio Level 7

@takashichea said:

@FoxxFireArt:

No worries, Foxx. I wasn't complaining. I was confirming that Crunchyroll was doing the same line for Lukero and Zombie Pie. That's it. I still love the series.

That's actually disappointing. I wish I could understand Japanese better so that I could know what word was used. I doubt there is a literal translation of "pwning".

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