Manga-ka Ken Akamatsu: "Harems are Dead, Moe's a Giving its Death Rattle"

Topic started by Boddington on Aug. 24, 2010. Last post by rein 4 years ago.
Post by Boddington (169 posts) See mini bio Level 9

 Are girl line-ups like this a thing of the past?
 Are girl line-ups like this a thing of the past?
Are the harems and moe sub-genres really gasping their last breath? Manga-ka Ken Akamatsu says sales and marketing research show it's already happening. Of course, even more than dry data, I'd trust Akamatsu's deft finger on the pulse of the industry, especially considering that he's the author of Love Hina and Negima, two titans in that particular corner of shonen manga. Here's what he had to say about it last week (8/18, in Japanese), translated thanks to Sankaku Complex (NSFW site):

Certainly, the moe boom is finished, and from last year on I think we’re seeing the following phenomena:

1. Male protagonists are absent

Many anime are now nothing but girls, and the role of the “male character being excited by female characters for viewers to empathise with” has disappeared.

2. Male buying power has reduced

Now women buyers of both anime and manga are predominant. Oricon comic rankings show most of the top titles are women-oriented.

3. Male viewers can now empathise with female characters

The number of male fans who simply don’t view female characters as objects of sexual desire at all is increasing, even in titles like “K-ON!”. No more are they just thinking “I want to be part of that circle,” now they are getting into the characters themselves.

A friend of mine was saying “this will be the year of yuri!” thanks to number 3, but unfortunately I get the feeling the popularity of yuri is not quite that great…

I'm a bit skeptical about yuri being the new hotness (as is he, it seems) as loli has been doing a bit too well as of late. What do you guys think about Akamatsu's statement: on the money or full of hot air?
Post by Eelcire (74 posts) See mini bio Level 14
Too much of any one type of [sub]-genre is bad for the industry. It won't completely die, but as mentioned in the article different trends are emerging. With an increasing female audience hopefully more varied stories and characters will come out of it.
 
Can't say I empathize or relate with the characters in anime such as K-ON!, but I do enjoy watching it all the same. I wouldn't mind seeing yuri grow more as a genre as it gives a different twist when applied to other genres, such as Kashimashi melding comedy/sci-fi/yuri.
Post by zaldar (1,253 posts) See mini bio Level 15

god I hope moe is dieing...ugg..how I hate those shows...give me good philisophical stuff any day over that crap...
Post by CrazyCanuck (169 posts) See mini bio Level 15
AH man!!! I love K-On but I'm ready to let go of moe but please don't stop making good harems!
Post by Hellos (2,482 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Damn anime Males living the dream in harems.  
I hope they all die!
Post by SamJaz (12,533 posts) See mini bio Level 20
I do agree with the man. The harem genre is dying, and Moe belongs to the sweaty fat man.
 
Now, that doesn't mean that harems in anime are dead, and Moe will leave us. It's just that they won't work as selling points anymore. 
 
Besides, this IS Ken Akamatsu we're talking about. He knows where the money is.
Post by Sparklykiss (59 posts) See mini bio Level 16
It's pretty nice to see that the moe is fading. I'd like to see more stuff designed with me in mind, so I can get back into it. I've kind of stopped watching anime recently because there were so many things that just didn't appeal to me at all.
Post by JackSukeru (402 posts) See mini bio Level 8
Akamatsu is secretly going "Just as keikaku!"
Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,273 posts) See mini bio Level 14

im just glad one piece and fairy tail are still doin good(even though im not much of a fan of either, naruto and bleach too) 
Post by dcfox (4 posts) See mini bio Level 9
I don't care for moe but I love harem manga/anime! 
Post by sotyfan16 (1,341 posts) See mini bio Level 20

While he has a point, there have still been a number of harem anime/manga coming out. Some also just don't have the luster that older series do. I love harems and I'm a sap for those kind of Romantic-Comedies. Harems are classic tales and I feel there would be an uproar if they went away.  

Moe could be just a phase and I'm not a big fan of the anime and manga but they are enjoyable.

Post by Kelleth (7,777 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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What's with the news and things dying lately? Vampire scene is dying (due to Twillight and Vampires Suck) Miyazaki is dead (T_T) if Ghibli's next movie fails the studio is dead (*o*, T_T)
And now this! stop depressing me already!! T_T
 
Still i'd like to see Yuri get a chance at the spotlight.
Post by BulletStorm (3 posts) See mini bio Level 5
All for the better, I love Negima - but I'd love Negima more if the characters didn't have to trip every 2 pages revealing their underwear. 
Post by BobCat (95 posts) See mini bio Level 9
The Ken has spoken.
 
That means NO Love Hina II from him.   Ain't happening.  
 
So the HKSS manga is not going to be a harem.    And the moe factor has to be reduced in later chapters.  Got it.
Post by Leptok (15 posts) See mini bio Level 7
Heh, 3 has been spreading for a while now.
Post by rein (5,465 posts) See mini bio Level 15
As a harem man myself, this is rather discouraging. I do feel that it can be revived however, if you add a few things.
  1. Give Harems better stories-  Harem are about the girls rather then the plot, but having an interesting storyline aside from the male lead never hurts.
  2. Action Harems- Titles that blend Harem and Action for example Negima, rosario + vampire or Ichiban ushiro no daimaou
  3. More interesting protagonist- Almost every male lead is the "hobby/specialty : none grades: average looks:average" cookie cut character. Make the lead someone insanely Gar like DS or at least competent like Tenchi. 
Post by rein (5,465 posts) See mini bio Level 15



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