JOJO'S BIZARRE ADVENTURE : STARDUST CRUSADERS #3 -- Watch & Learn

Topic started by No_name_here on June 5, 2014. Last post by zaldar 2 months, 1 week ago.
Post by No_name_here (855 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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There’s a delicious ‘lost in translation’ quality to the ‘flesh buds’ Dio uses to control Kakyoin. It’s as if Araki watched some version of DRACULA (maybe the 70’s version with Frank Langella?) and found the means by which the Count exerts influence on Renfield to be too plain. Or perhaps, he just totally misread that particular aspect of vampire lore…

Of course, the flesh bud exists almost entirely as an excuse to demonstrate Star Platinum super-propensity for ‘precision’ - - and that has to be one of the most weirdly specific super-powers I’ve ever come across. Rubberluffy pointed out that ‘precision’ is maybe just a cute/unusual way of describing ‘telekinesis’ at this point, since all the Stands so far are basically personifications of the more familiar psychic abilities (clairvoyance, pyrokinesis, mind control, etc.) That does seem to be the case, actually, so it’s doubly amusing that this show would make a point to stress that Jotaro has a steadier hand than, say, Tetsuo when it comes to moving stuff with his mind. (Or, as mentioned earlier, that Dio would take a… fleshier approach to mind control than Dracula).

One can only imagine how that’s going to be demonstrated later. The bulk of the action in this episode seemed like some incredibly absurd and surrealist riff on the game dynamics of Operation.

To be totally honest, I’m not that excited about Kakyoin's face turn. He looked like a fitting enough peg for Jotaro to knock over, but I don’t know - - there’s just something about his character design which seems a little too busy. I was thinking more about how this might’ve been the moment that solidified the Monomyth ‘brother battle’ as trope in shonen. We got a halfway option with Caesar in the last arc, sure, but this is a complete 180 with a bad guy here.

Watch "The Curse of Dio" and decide for yourself, then read my comments on the previous batch of episodes.

Post by rubberluffy (584 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Kakyoin totally wants to help out because Jotaro's mom is hot.

David Productions is doing a great job with Stardust, adding little scenes here and there that mesh seamlessly with the source. Also little things like Avdol creating a tiny fireball so he can read books in the library. There's still a good amount of comedy from the "bizarreness", but Stardust has a lot of legit comedic moments, some of which are pretty subtle (for JoJo, anyway).

Also the end of this ep is amazing. The "LET'S GO" mantrain pose right into Walk Like An Egyptian.

And probably the best part of JJBA from now and onwards is the supporting cast having a much stronger presence. Jotaro is still the main character for now, but it's not going to be like Parts 1 and 2 where Jonathan and Joseph had to do everything.

Post by Destinyheroknight (10,247 posts) See mini bio Level 21

I remember the first time I saw Kakyoin, I thought he was a rip off of Kazuma LOL! I never was a fan of his, he didn't interest me (he feel like a background character)

Tetsuo? I think you mean Joseph. I just believe Joseph didn't really wanted to save Kakyoin LOL!

I so do love the end pose, I remember me and my friends did it in high school. Man, this just bring back good memories (can't believe it was 9 years ago)

Post by Kino88 (202 posts) See mini bio Level 6
I love how Jotaro and grandpa Jo Jo are teaming up for this arc And forming there own possy to hunt down Dio, And now with this far flung trip to Eygpt I can only Imagine what happens when these two Jostars' catch Up with this age old menace,
Post by AgentFakku (180 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@rubberluffy:

Holy is the 2nd best MILF next to Lisa Lisa.

Post by takashichea (11,963 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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This is the last time we ever seen Hamon, I think. I never thought of Stands that way before.

@AgentFakku: @rubberluffy:

You guys are dirty!

Post by zaldar (1,253 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@takashichea: Let us take a moment of silence for the death of hamon....sigh....I really don't like the stands as much as I said. When I saw this episode it was still ok but a couple more (I am only 2 ahead unlike before where I was like ten episodes ahead at one point) and I had enough really. Powering through for the rest for me if I keep watching them even.

I will say though the main train was HILARIOUS and so late 70's early 80's and NOT the kind of thing you could get away with now (though maybe this will bring it back) and no talk about the closing song? I found that a hilarious touch perhaps my favorite part of this episode.

Post by Destinyheroknight (10,247 posts) See mini bio Level 21

@zaldar:

Hamon isn't dead yet, it come back once if I remembering correctly. After this part, it is all Stands yo

Post by rubberluffy (584 posts) See mini bio Level 16

@zaldar said:

@takashichea: Let us take a moment of silence for the death of hamon....sigh....I really don't like the stands as much as I said. When I saw this episode it was still ok but a couple more (I am only 2 ahead unlike before where I was like ten episodes ahead at one point) and I had enough really. Powering through for the rest for me if I keep watching them even.

I will say though the main train was HILARIOUS and so late 70's early 80's and NOT the kind of thing you could get away with now (though maybe this will bring it back) and no talk about the closing song? I found that a hilarious touch perhaps my favorite part of this episode.

Hah, get further, watch eps 9 and 10. The early Stands are just kinda eh. 10 is where Stardust really starts. Remember, Araki was just coming up with this stuff at this point, stuff wasn't quite ironed out yet.

Also The Ripple kinda sucks and was really generic and had no variety.

Post by Kuma_From_Argentina (6,725 posts) See mini bio Level 13

I freaking love Stardust, but Jojo goes full bizarre in Part 4. With one of my favorite scenes in any manga....THE MOST EPIC AND FABULOUS GAME OF ROCK, PAPER AND SCISSORS IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND

Post by YotaruVegeta (568 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@rubberluffy: It did have variety. Do you remember Ceaser Zepelli's bubble-infused attacks? It's not the hamon, it's how you use it.

Post by zaldar (1,253 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@rubberluffy:

I really disagree. What made the hamon interesting were its rules and limitations as was said in the first write ups here. The stands are just not as interesting. *shrug* we can certainly have different opinions on this though.

Post by rubberluffy (584 posts) See mini bio Level 16

@zaldar said:

@rubberluffy:

I really disagree. What made the hamon interesting were its rules and limitations as was said in the first write ups here. The stands are just not as interesting. *shrug* we can certainly have different opinions on this though.

But the Ripple never had any rules or limitations outside of breathing, because it could do anything when it was needed, even if it had never done that before. It was boring. And all it can really do is fight vampires, and JJBA is a lot better when the enemies aren't restrained by "vampire rules".

Stands actually have more rules and limitations compared to Ripple, only sometimes the rules are Stand-specific. Remember, Stands were a new thing in Part 3, so Araki was still experimenting with them and figuring them out. Later Stands really show off their creativity and usefulness. For example, Bruno from Part 5's Sticky Fingers has the ability to create zippers on objects/people. Sounds kinda dumb, but he uses it in fantastically dangerous ways. Teleporting, disassembling people, increasing his attack range.

Really, Araki considers Part 1 "embarrassing" and I'm not sure how he feels about Part 2, other than he doesn't really like his early art style. But the major problems with the "Ripple" Parts is the characters. Jonathan is the only one that can do anything in P1, Speedwagon is just his somewhat useless hype-man and Zeppeli dies really quick. Lisa Lisa and Caesar both get stomped without accomplishing anything, and Joseph beats 3 Pillar men by himself and pretty much carries the whole Part 2 himself. Part 3 and onward are just so much better about having numerous characters and using them, even the one time Stands. Polnareff is probably the best character in Part 3, along with another who won't show up for a while. Jotaro isn't rescuing everyone while they keep getting stomped.

Post by zaldar (1,253 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@rubberluffy: Read again tom's take on the ripple and how it is awesome as I agree whole heartedly. The breathing led to some very interesting fights and the only working against vampires was also great. If he considers the first arc embarrassing then that is even more reason for me to be in no hurry to watch the others as the differences between part 1 and other shonen were what made it good. The over the top of the stands and how they can be anything like your making zipper example is what I have a problem with. Hamon was cool as it came from real life stuff chi and Martial arts and even with its limitations it led to some interesting attacks and the training on how to use it was interesting. No one has to train with their stands, the stands can be anything, so we are back to the shonen formula of new powers every week, new enemies every week. No more cool fights in a roman gladiator arena in chariots, no more cool climbing of pillars covered in oil, no more cool discussions of honor vs. no honor in fights, no more cool mixing of a dickison tail with shonen kick ass which was why I watched the first season.

You must understand I DON'T LIKE shonen OR fighting games (the only one I played very much was the first mortal combat and that not very much) so as it gets closer and closer to those and so removes the drama (the interplay in the first season between dio and Johnathan before he became a vampire, the honor vs no honor interplay between the pillar men) I get less and less interested. I have no problem with the main character being the hero and between the fights that take up most of each episode up to what I have watched now there has been no real time to delve into character certainly not like we had in the earlier versions where even in the episodes that were mostly a fight (which wasn't every episode) like the fight between Johnathan and Mary's vampiric nights we got a lot of backstory on who these people were and what they were about. I haven't gotten that close to any of the characters in the new season. Simply having many characters that can fight and that do isn't using many characters. Speedwagon as a reformed criminal impressed with Johnathan's gentelmenlyness had way more character and I knew way more about him than I do any of the new characters, when exactly did Johnathan meet Mr. firebird? Who is he? What is his motivations? We have no idea.

Oh and creating zippers on people yeah immediately made me think well he could just disembowl you then game over....that is a perfect kind of ridiculous over the top overpowered move aka bleach, naruto, dragonball, final fantasy video game summoning, that I don't like and that without the rules of hammon you can easily make. Creativity is better when it is channeled and given rules. Ceaser's bubble attack and its many variations was incredibly more interesting since it was less over the top and had weaknesses.

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