How strong is Goku's punching power?

Topic started by TheLegendaryOne on Jan. 5, 2011. Last post by Dream 1 year, 12 months ago.
Post by Mortein (1,558 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@soldier said:
 
Unlike Arale, Goku uses ki, not a toon force. 

btw, I also think akira lost a track of how fast/strong/powerful his characters are after Cell saga, maybe even before.
 

Post by StargunZX (476 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@hitsusatsu11 said:

" @StargunZX said:

" @hitsusatsu11 said:

" lets avoid a no limits fallacy?

You said it: ''So according to you the ki ball should have exploded on contact.''

Not necessarily. Freeza touched that energy ball just for a brief moment, of course it wasn't enough to cause it to collapse and detonate. 
This is false. 
Please prove this.
 Prove what? That Freeza only touched the beam for a brief moment?

Again this is false. Please show statements or info from the daizenshuu to support this notion which you have "established" within your mind.  " 

 No it isn't. That's just a point of view. But fell free to show some official info that rejects my theory.
Post by soldier (495 posts) See mini bio Level 7
@Mortein said:
"@soldier said:
 
Unlike Arale, Goku uses ki, not a toon force. 

btw, I also think akira lost a track of how fast/strong/powerful his characters are after Cell saga, maybe even before.
  "

They are both from akira, and akira made goku more powerful.
Post by SuperperfectCell (528 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Well in theory their physical attacks should be planet busting as they can hurt people iwth planet busting durribilty. And then we have scans of arale simply sending someone to the other side of the earth and thats not even a full force punch. then we have th statements on the first page from akira about SS1 goku being ablet oshatter planets with a single punch. Well i guess i will go with that though i'm going to have to compleatly change my streangth chart of DBZ characters and marvel/DC characters.  
 
i if frieza saga SS1 goku is that physicly strong then i wounder what this big bad perfect mofo could do 
 

 
 



 

Post by TheLegendaryOne (879 posts) See mini bio Level 11
@soldier said:
" @TheLegendaryOne said:
" @soldier said:
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@TheLegendaryOne: 
    
 
Dude, what are you talking about, if you don't believe goku can match Arale there is something wrong with you, in fact goku ended up training with the motivation to become stronger than her.

 

    
If you think goku did not match Arale's strength in dragonball, than you must conceed also that goku eventually became stronger than Broly. Goku defeated Broly as a ssj2. 
 
Thus there is evidence you just don't want to see it.

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I can't begin to describe how fanboy this comment is.... 
 
Please show me Arale destroying a planet in one punch. Same thing with Broly. 
 
Oh wait, that's right. They haven't. It's just hyperbole statements. The only time Broly has ever reached anything on a planetary level was via energy blast. 
 
Let's revisit that, shall we? 
 
  
   
The evidence is beginning to stack up against you. 
 
Let's revisit another reason why I don't believe anything that is said there that they can destroy a planet with their fists. 
 
Let's take this interview with Akira Toriyama.  
 
Now, what really stands out to me is this question right here and how Toriyama answered..... 
 
Q: What is Majin Buu's power level? 

A; The frightening thing about Majin Buu is his unknown, unfathomable power. Whether it's actually not that much, or whether it's really stupendous, majin Buu himself probably doesn't know the answer. 
    
 
Now, how can the creator of his own anime not know the power level of his own creation? Hm..... sounds strange to me, correct? So, if Toriyama doesn't know what Majin Buu's power level is, perhaps he doesn't even know what is true in his Daizenshuu. I mean, it must be true, considering the fact that there are so many inconsistencies in Dragon Ball Z, and there is nothing in the known universe hinting Broly to being physically capable to bust anything more than a mountain. I mean, you can go to what is written and try to prove it that way, but what is shown proves otherwise. 
 
Like this instance for example.... 
 

Here we have Piccolo calling both Goku and Frieza "gods"
Here we have Piccolo calling both Goku and Frieza "gods"
 
Now, I was under the impression that gods are omnipotent and they cannot die. So, if Goku and Frieza are truly both gods....... how is it that they are both not omnipotent and they have both died....... seems inconsistent yet again with what is said compared to what is shown...... 
 
My friend, you are blind to the evidence and are solely driven by your own fanboy wishes. You wish that Goku was as physically strong as you believe him to be, but the fact of the matter is, Goku is nothing more than a mountain buster physically. The evidence proves this. 
 
Oh, and just to throw a little more wood onto the fire and make it burn more, let's take this nicely made AMV of Broly. I want you to show me once, just once, that's all I need to see, where Broly destroys any planet with his strength alone. Or better yet, show me anything that hints to Broly being physically stronger than just a mountain buster. That is all I need to see. Just one instance. 
 
  
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There are so many flaws to your reply that it is not funny.

 

Firstly, just because Akira Toriyama decides to leave something a mystery you claim that he does not know his own creation, and try to discount official statements. Akira knows whats true you are being silly, typical straw man fallacy and not even worth debating. 
 
one blow and one blast is different, a blow implies a physical assault. Thus it is not talking about planet busting blasts. 
Moreover, the difference is that when goku and frieza were said to be LIKE A GOD, it is not saying that they are one. 
 
As for Arale: 
 
 The above is not the earth splitting scan but it gives you an idea of a bit of her strength.
Also are your really going to debate an official source. If you are, I am not going to bother, talking nonsense about hyperbole when it is an official document of their strengths. 
 
Peace.

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Lol. Of course I will debate an "official source", if it is inconsistent with what is actually shown. 
 
I don't care how many times you say that you can dodge a bullet. If you get hit by it, obviously you completely lied and you exaggerated your claim. 
 
If Toriyama said "X can destroy a planet with his fists", but in reality the feats suggest otherwise, it was hyperbole and he exaggerated what he said. 
 
Also, you do realize what your post proves, no? It proves that Arale actually has feats to show she is much stronger than Goku. 
 
Also, I never questioned Arale's strength as a whole. I questioned Broly's.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,732 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@StargunZX: I'm not hatin' on your POV. I'ts a theory, but I don't think your applying it correctly in this instance. If your right, and Vegeta's ki is a missile, and Freeza is his target, then Vegeta would have made it explode on any contact with Freeza.  
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,732 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@TheLegendaryOne said:

1 Now, I was under the impression that gods are omnipotent and they cannot die. So, if Goku and Frieza are truly both gods....... how is it that they are both not omnipotent and they have both died....... seems inconsistent yet again with what is said compared to what is shown...... 

1 Thats solely your own problem then. The word "God" is subjective and many people have different beliefs on the matter.  
 


i if frieza saga SS1 goku is that physicly strong then i wounder what this big bad perfect mofo could do 
 



 

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Post by soldier (495 posts) See mini bio Level 7
@hitsusatsu11 said:
" @TheLegendaryOne said:

1 Now, I was under the impression that gods are omnipotent and they cannot die. So, if Goku and Frieza are truly both gods....... how is it that they are both not omnipotent and they have both died....... seems inconsistent yet again with what is said compared to what is shown...... 

1 Thats solely your own problem then. The word "God" is subjective and many people have different beliefs on the matter.  
 


i if frieza saga SS1 goku is that physicly strong then i wounder what this big bad perfect mofo could do 
 

 
 



 

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yep asteroids are no match for Cell
Post by Killer_of_trolls (1,563 posts) See mini bio Level 11
I can't believe no one said the right answer yet, it's easy.   OVER 9000
Post by Mortein (1,558 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@Rapest_of_super_heros said:
" I can't believe no one said the right answer yet, it's easy.   OVER 9000 "
no it's over 8000 :P
Post by Susanoo (263 posts) See mini bio Level 9

There is a difference between durabilities. Blunt force (Physical durability) and Temperature resistance are different. Same thing with attacks. Like a being easily goes into the sun unharmed but can be harmed by a punch to the face.
 
Goku at SS4 punched Super 17 across a planet. If we're using things like the OP listed, then Odin and such can use things such as near omnipotent which is false. Goku's striking power is well beyond class 100 as he nailed 17 across Earth.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,732 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@susanoo said:
" There is a difference between durabilities. Blunt force (Physical durability) and Temperature resistance are different. Same thing with attacks.  
You may be right about temperature
But not in regards to punches and energy attacks. 
 
You see, a blast or a punch exerts a pressure. 
Which is a force / a contact area. 
Whether being stabbed with a sword, or punched in the face, a pressure is still being exerted. 
Post by Susanoo (263 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@hitsusatsu11 said:
" @susanoo said:
" There is a difference between durabilities. Blunt force (Physical durability) and Temperature resistance are different. Same thing with attacks.  
You may be right about temperatureBut not in regards to punches and energy attacks.  You see, a blast or a punch exerts a pressure. Which is a force / a contact area. Whether being stabbed with a sword, or punched in the face, a pressure is still being exerted.  "

It's different as Saiyans energy attacks can bust multiple solar systems if we're going by power levels but a simple punch can injure a saiyan, Goku struggled carrying 200  tons ect. They use their ki to increase their striking power.  
Trunks gets hurt by a physical hit that isn't even a block buster but when weaker, easily stops Friezas deathball.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,732 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@susanoo said:

It's different as Saiyans energy attacks can bust multiple solar systems if we're going by power levels but a simple punch can injure a saiyan, Goku struggled carrying 200  tons ect. They use their ki to increase their striking power.  Trunks gets hurt by a physical hit that isn't even a block buster but when weaker, easily stops Friezas deathball. "
Its not different. 
Simple force mechanics proves this.  
 
Pressure is nothing more than a force (say KN) exerted over the contact area.  
Whether its a punch, or explosion.  
 
The punches of say ssj3 Goku, exert more pressure than the the strongest ki blasts by Freeza or Cell. 
This is simply force physics, and beautifully explains why punches from Kaioken Goku can hurt Nappa, but the concentrated force of moon+ ki blasts from Piccolo cannot.
Post by Susanoo (263 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@hitsusatsu11 said:
" @susanoo said:

It's different as Saiyans energy attacks can bust multiple solar systems if we're going by power levels but a simple punch can injure a saiyan, Goku struggled carrying 200  tons ect. They use their ki to increase their striking power.  Trunks gets hurt by a physical hit that isn't even a block buster but when weaker, easily stops Friezas deathball. "
Its not different. Simple force mechanics proves this.   Pressure is nothing more than a force (say KN) exerted over the contact area.  Whether its a punch, or explosion.   The punches of say ssj3 Goku, exert more pressure than the the strongest ki blasts by Freeza or Cell. This is simply force physics, and beautifully explains why punches from Kaioken Goku can hurt Nappa, but the concentrated force of moon+ ki blasts from Piccolo cannot. "

Then the laws of physics must be different as countless things in Marvel/DC disproves that so. But nicely said.
 
Post by Daniel_Newton (3,182 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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Moving this to the Goku board, don't know what it's doing in Off-Topic. 
 
MOVED
Post by The_Mayhem_Theory (8 posts) See mini bio Level 4
Part of martial arts it to focus your inner energy, and that is exactly what has been stated over and over from time and time again in the series, and not just by Goku. This "focus of inner energy" is what allows them to pull planet shattering punches against opponents and not destroy the planet via excessive energy (i.e. shock-waves). Their energy is so focused that they are able to subconsciously control it without needed effort on a conscious level.
Post by nickzambuto (51 posts) See mini bio Level 7

@sickVisionz said:

When someone standing on Earth get's hit with a galaxy busting punch, the shockwaves alone should cause something on the level of an extinction level event. Someone getting thrown or kicked to the ground by galaxy busting power should make a crater the size of the entire western hemisphere.

Yeah, but... it's comics.

Post by sickVisionz (4,241 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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@nickzambuto said:

@sickVisionz said:

When someone standing on Earth get's hit with a galaxy busting punch, the shockwaves alone should cause something on the level of an extinction level event. Someone getting thrown or kicked to the ground by galaxy busting power should make a crater the size of the entire western hemisphere.

Yeah, but... it's comics.

Or maybe they just aren't punching anywhere near that strong. That's been my whole argument and my problem with most of the Battle forum. They assign abilities and power levels that characters have never been shown to posses, with the logic being, "because they've never done it and never shown anything close to it, they must be able to do it."

Post by Dream (7,260 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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DBZ isn't that well known for its strength feats considering many characters resort to ki attacks in trying to kill their foes or wipe out planets. However on strength alone, characters have been shown to shatter multiple mountains with their blows, jump high in the air with leg strength alone and I think there was a point in Goku's battle with Kid Buu in the anime where he was shown pushing the divided halves of a cliffside while he was SSJ. They're easily above Class 100 from those feats alone, but they are nowhere in the league of characters like Hulk and Thor who are capable of shattering planets with their strength.

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