How powerful is Goku Super Sayian 4

Topic started by YGTYUV on Aug. 18, 2010. Last post by Goku1fan 2 years, 4 months ago.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,732 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@rein said:
" @hitsusatsu11: I don't think that power levels are linear because if we went by that logic, someone with a power level of 5 or 10 could bust mountains.  
Yes but while a normal human may have a powerlevel of 4 or 5, they posses no ki control and no way to concentrate their ki into a beam or their physical attacks, but certainly everyone in DBU has some considerable spirit, at least enough to contribute to the Genkidama. 
 
Also Yamucha and Goku with a powerlevel of like 6 were able to punch through cement, knock people through tree's and stuff, tank bullets, lift larger objects then normal folks could and survive fairly long falls.  
 
 While roshi was able to destroy the moon, it did seem to take some effort for him to bust the ox king's mountain and his power level was something around 120 or 130? "
Well he was rusty on the use of his beam, and just intended to put out the fire with the kamehameha leaving the mountain and castle in tact. He accidentally used to much power and the mountain was destroyed. 
Post by Mortein (1,558 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@hitsusatsu11 said:
" @rein said:
" @hitsusatsu11: I don't think that power levels are linear because if we went by that logic, someone with a power level of 5 or 10 could bust mountains.  
Yes but while a normal human may have a powerlevel of 4 or 5, they posses no ki control and no way to concentrate their ki into a beam or their physical attacks, but certainly everyone in DBU has some considerable spirit, at least enough to contribute to the Genkidama. 
 
Also Yamucha and Goku with a powerlevel of like 6 were able to punch through cement, knock people through tree's and stuff, tank bullets, lift larger objects then normal folks could and survive fairly long falls.  
 
 While roshi was able to destroy the moon, it did seem to take some effort for him to bust the ox king's mountain and his power level was something around 120 or 130? "
Well he was rusty on the use of his beam, and just intended to put out the fire with the kamehameha leaving the mountain and castle in tact. He accidentally used to much power and the mountain was destroyed.  "
Just to back you up a little bit.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Here Gohan is explaining how everyone has a ki, and how controlling it is a hard part.
 
Also I wonder what would people say if Roshi actually suceded in his attentions and turned down the fire, while leaving the mountain and castle intact.
Post by DevilMayhem666 (261 posts) See mini bio Level 10

lol ssj4 Goku was cut by glass. 
 

@hitsusatsu11 said:

"Well I'll throw my two cents in:   Base form GT Goku is likely = to Buu Saga ssj3 Goku. Why? Because he has trained and was on par with a fully trained Uub, who is the reincarnation of Kid Buu. Base form Goku also shattered a dimension, somewhat comparable to Super Buu and Gotenks' ROSAT feat. GT Goku pre-ssj4 beat Rildo, who had a greater ki than Majin Buu.  Also base form kid goku who was injured and had no energy left kicked away an Earth destroying attack by Yi Xing Long. Now ssj1 is 50 times base form, ssj2 is 100x base, ssj3 is 400x base, (all in Daizenshuu 7) There is no official multiplier for ssj4, but we know it is obviously bigger than 400x base.  Every ssj multiplier is at least double the previous one, so ssj4 would be 800x base form minimum. Also remember that turning into a child did not diminish Goku's power level, it only obstructed the Shunkan Ido technique and made ssj3 more draining.   And the ssj4 transformation was so powerful that it undid the magic of Red Shen Long's granted wish made with the black star balls, and the black star DB's are said to grant any wish with no power restrictions.  This being said I would conclude that ssj4 Goku is at least 800 times stronger than Buu saga ssj3 Goku, or (400 x 800) 320,000 times more powerful than base form Buu saga Goku.   Now in terms of destructive power, GT is a direct sequel to the Z anime, and in the Z anime Kid Buu was depicted as destroying galaxies (also backed up by manga statements) and I have shown how much stronger ssj4 Goku would be then him.   So long story short, he is much much more powerful than superman, lol. "

In the manga it was hundreds of planets in the course of years.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,732 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@DevilMayhem666 said:
"

lol ssj4 Goku was cut by glass. 
 

@hitsusatsu11 said:

"Well I'll throw my two cents in:   Base form GT Goku is likely = to Buu Saga ssj3 Goku. Why? Because he has trained and was on par with a fully trained Uub, who is the reincarnation of Kid Buu. Base form Goku also shattered a dimension, somewhat comparable to Super Buu and Gotenks' ROSAT feat. GT Goku pre-ssj4 beat Rildo, who had a greater ki than Majin Buu.  Also base form kid goku who was injured and had no energy left kicked away an Earth destroying attack by Yi Xing Long. Now ssj1 is 50 times base form, ssj2 is 100x base, ssj3 is 400x base, (all in Daizenshuu 7) There is no official multiplier for ssj4, but we know it is obviously bigger than 400x base.  Every ssj multiplier is at least double the previous one, so ssj4 would be 800x base form minimum. Also remember that turning into a child did not diminish Goku's power level, it only obstructed the Shunkan Ido technique and made ssj3 more draining.   And the ssj4 transformation was so powerful that it undid the magic of Red Shen Long's granted wish made with the black star balls, and the black star DB's are said to grant any wish with no power restrictions.  This being said I would conclude that ssj4 Goku is at least 800 times stronger than Buu saga ssj3 Goku, or (400 x 800) 320,000 times more powerful than base form Buu saga Goku.   Now in terms of destructive power, GT is a direct sequel to the Z anime, and in the Z anime Kid Buu was depicted as destroying galaxies (also backed up by manga statements) and I have shown how much stronger ssj4 Goku would be then him.   So long story short, he is much much more powerful than superman, lol. "

In the manga it was hundreds of planets in the course of years. "
In the manga kaio says that buu destroyed many planets. 
However the next page vegeta says even the saiyans could have done that.
  Before Buu there were 16 Galaxies/ Galactic regions of Space in the physical universe. After Buu killed or absorbed the Kaiosin's of the North, West, and South there are only 4 Galxies left, which make up the Eastern Quadrant of the Universe ruled by our Eastern Kaioshin (in Daizenshuu). What East Kaioshin is referring to is most likely the planets destroyed in his Eastern quadrant of the universe before Buu is sealed. It is clear 12 Galaxies are now gone after the few years Buu roamed the universe. 
 
Also the glass thing is inconsequential. You make it sound that Yi Xing Long impaled him with glass. 
Not so. 
 
  
Post by kidbuu123 (2 posts) See mini bio Level 5

goku ssj4 is beast for that
Post by Destinyheroknight (10,190 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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@kidbuu123: 
Goku SSJ4 is not a beast
Post by Kelleth (7,777 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@kidbuu123:  Do you just mix random words together and hope people think its the greatest claim ever?
 
If so find a new hobby, or brain. :P
 
Seriously though this isn't a battle posting stuff like that only makes you look dumb.
Post by Susanoo (263 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@DevilMayhem666:
Wonder Woman can also be cut and shot at. SS4 Goku can approx bust 3000+ solar systems at once.... not a galaxy. If a power level that is needed to bust earth is 18,000.... do the math. Disragarding PLs, Goku's never shown to be a planet buster BUT... it's safe to assume his energy attacks are far, far, higher than someone who is such as frieza, saiyan saga vegeta ect. I wouldn't trst DBGT as it made every character weaker than in DBZ in the fights in general.  
 
Here in DBZ, frieza saga, look at how destructive this fight is :  
  
  
Now compare it to SS4 Goku and SS4 Vegeta vs Omega Shenron or even Super 17 defeating everyone else in their SSJ stages without making the ki blasts above that of exploding grenades...  
 
It's the belief that a higher level of SSJ that makes us think that it's safe to assume that they would be more powerful but that is not always the case... Goku in frieza saga can't be cut by rock/shards whilest SS4 Goku got cut by glass, the fight Goku displayed against Frieza was on a higher power scaling than those shown in DBGT...
Post by Susanoo (263 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@hitsusatsu11 said:
" @DevilMayhem666 said:
"

lol ssj4 Goku was cut by glass. 
 

@hitsusatsu11 said:

"Well I'll throw my two cents in:   Base form GT Goku is likely = to Buu Saga ssj3 Goku. Why? Because he has trained and was on par with a fully trained Uub, who is the reincarnation of Kid Buu. Base form Goku also shattered a dimension, somewhat comparable to Super Buu and Gotenks' ROSAT feat. GT Goku pre-ssj4 beat Rildo, who had a greater ki than Majin Buu.  Also base form kid goku who was injured and had no energy left kicked away an Earth destroying attack by Yi Xing Long. Now ssj1 is 50 times base form, ssj2 is 100x base, ssj3 is 400x base, (all in Daizenshuu 7) There is no official multiplier for ssj4, but we know it is obviously bigger than 400x base.  Every ssj multiplier is at least double the previous one, so ssj4 would be 800x base form minimum. Also remember that turning into a child did not diminish Goku's power level, it only obstructed the Shunkan Ido technique and made ssj3 more draining.   And the ssj4 transformation was so powerful that it undid the magic of Red Shen Long's granted wish made with the black star balls, and the black star DB's are said to grant any wish with no power restrictions.  This being said I would conclude that ssj4 Goku is at least 800 times stronger than Buu saga ssj3 Goku, or (400 x 800) 320,000 times more powerful than base form Buu saga Goku.   Now in terms of destructive power, GT is a direct sequel to the Z anime, and in the Z anime Kid Buu was depicted as destroying galaxies (also backed up by manga statements) and I have shown how much stronger ssj4 Goku would be then him.   So long story short, he is much much more powerful than superman, lol. "

In the manga it was hundreds of planets in the course of years. "
In the manga kaio says that buu destroyed many planets. 
However the next page vegeta says even the saiyans could have done that.
 
 
  Before Buu there were 16 Galaxies/ Galactic regions of Space in the physical universe. After Buu killed or absorbed the Kaiosin's of the North, West, and South there are only 4 Galxies left, which make up the Eastern Quadrant of the Universe ruled by our Eastern Kaioshin (in Daizenshuu). What East Kaioshin is referring to is most likely the planets destroyed in his Eastern quadrant of the universe before Buu is sealed. It is clear 12 Galaxies are now gone after the few years Buu roamed the universe. 
 
Also the glass thing is inconsequential. You make it sound that Yi Xing Long impaled him with glass. 
Not so. 
 
  
"
Sorry but this video proves my opinions. The fights were tone down MASSIVELY. It's just that our fanboyism makes us go for it and affects our perception... kinda like how tTwilight fans are. No offence to Twilight/DBZ/GT fans, I'm merely just supporting my claims... it wasn't intended to attack you.
Post by SSJjanemba (2,176 posts) See mini bio Level 11

ok it takes 300 kili to destroy one planet ssj1 has 3000 
3000 X 2= 6000 
6000 X 4=24,000 so goku in ssj3 is 24,000 kili which means he can destroy a planet with 1.25% of his power 
i think ssj4 is 10X so that would make it 240,000 kili which means goku can destroy a planet with 0.125 percent of his power.
Post by GalaxyBusterBroly (9 posts) See mini bio Level 4
@hitsusatsu11 said:
"Well I'll throw my two cents in:   Base form GT Goku is likely = to Buu Saga ssj3 Goku. Why? Because he has trained and was on par with a fully trained Uub, who is the reincarnation of Kid Buu. Base form Goku also shattered a dimension, somewhat comparable to Super Buu and Gotenks' ROSAT feat. GT Goku pre-ssj4 beat Rildo, who had a greater ki than Majin Buu.  Also base form kid goku who was injured and had no energy left kicked away an Earth destroying attack by Yi Xing Long. Now ssj1 is 50 times base form, ssj2 is 100x base, ssj3 is 400x base, (all in Daizenshuu 7) There is no official multiplier for ssj4, but we know it is obviously bigger than 400x base.  Every ssj multiplier is at least double the previous one, so ssj4 would be 800x base form minimum. Also remember that turning into a child did not diminish Goku's power level, it only obstructed the Shunkan Ido technique and made ssj3 more draining.   And the ssj4 transformation was so powerful that it undid the magic of Red Shen Long's granted wish made with the black star balls, and the black star DB's are said to grant any wish with no power restrictions.  This being said I would conclude that ssj4 Goku is at least 800 times stronger than Buu saga ssj3 Goku, or (400 x 800) 320,000 times more powerful than base form Buu saga Goku.   Now in terms of destructive power, GT is a direct sequel to the Z anime, and in the Z anime Kid Buu was depicted as destroying galaxies (also backed up by manga statements) and I have shown how much stronger ssj4 Goku would be then him.   So long story short, he is much much more powerful than superman, lol. "

Quoted for truth.
Post by Goku1fan (142 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Goku is the BEST!!!!!!!!!!!

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