goku's durability?

Topic started by rein on June 15, 2010. Last post by MastaZenyouX 1 year, 10 months ago.
Post by rein (5,465 posts) See mini bio Level 15
Hi, I always hear In debates that goku has low durability. Can anyone explain why? It's been a while since i watched DBZ, But i don't remember anything that would have implied that. I know that he got cut by glass in GT, But that's non-canon.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,725 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Freeza, while 90% dead survives the planet Nameks destruction.
Comes to Earth
  Is sliced up by Trunks
    Trunks cannot slice Goku's little finger.
 Trunks sliced up a confirmed planet++tanker, (not to metion killed King Cold who is at least as durable as Freeza with a simple ki blast) then failed to slice Goku's finger.  
 This is when Goku first turned SSJ, end Goku is much much more durable. 
 
Kill all that noise about Goku not being durable, its simply not true. Even in GT as a child in base form he kicked away a planet destroying attack by Yi Xing Long.
Post by Grand_Master_Daizen (452 posts) See mini bio Level 11
@hitsusatsu11:  Dying in Cells Attack sort flush that down the toilet though. Cell said when he blows up the planet will go with him. Since goku has never tanked a Planet busting blast before that is the only thing you really have to go by.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,725 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Grand_Master_Daizen: Nope, Cell destroyed Kaio's planet, its ten times the density of earth, and other kaioworlds (kaoshin sphere) are said to be indestructible, so its likely kaio sama's is more durable than a regular planet as well, plus the magnitude of that explosion was so great that it freed Bojack from the solar prison he was in in the far recesses of the galaxy.  
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,725 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Grand_Master_Daizen: And also you forget that planet destroying attack by Cell only killed Goku after Goku was drained and exhausted by his fight with Cell, and after he was beaten half to death by Cell Jr's.
Post by Grand_Master_Daizen (452 posts) See mini bio Level 11
@hitsusatsu11:  A half dead Frieza survived however, then there s Kid Buu's blast on the earth still no where near the condition Freiza was in yet they died as well. So at best the DBZ characters a planet busting attack is all they can really take, anything more would kill them instantly.
Post by Grand_Master_Daizen (452 posts) See mini bio Level 11
Even kid Buu himself was destroyed briefly by the blast before he could regenerate back.
Post by Mortein (1,558 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@Grand_Master_Daizen said:

" Even kid Buu himself was destroyed briefly by the blast before he could regenerate back. "

Gohan and others were unconscious, therefore they were unable to boost their durability, therefore they were as durable as normal peak humans saiyans and Namekians. Unlike Frieza, who probably was conscious when namek exploded.
And Buu doesn't care about physical attacks, so it would be useless for him to use his ki to boost his durability. He even let bullets phase threw him, which is something even the weakest DB characters could endure.  By your logic this Indian guy have better durability then Buu. 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Also, Kid buu destroying the earth is not the same as Frieza destroying the namek, when buus energy ball touched the earth the energy ball exploded and destroyed everything around it. As far as we know the radius of the explosion could have been bigger then 8 light seconds. I am not saying that it was , I am saying there is nothing to indicate that it wasn't. 
 
Goku at the end of DB was able to withstand huge nuclear explosions 
Nappa was able to withstand attacks from moonbusters.
Vegeta (saiyan saga) withstood kamehameha which should be above earthbusting.
Frieza survived Namek explosion while being in terrible condition. 
and so on.  
Post by Grand_Master_Daizen (452 posts) See mini bio Level 11
@Mortein: All I'm saying is that if Buu couldn't regenerate do you think he would have survived his own blast. There is a Difference between Regeneration and straight up durability.
Post by Mortein (1,558 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@Grand_Master_Daizen said:
" @Mortein: All I'm saying is that if Buu couldn't regenerate do you think he would have survived his own blast. There is a Difference between Regeneration and straight up durability. "
Would he survived his own blast I don't know, but I know he has no need to spend his ki on durability since he can regenerate from almost anything, so he is not a good example in a thread about durability.
Post by Grand_Master_Daizen (452 posts) See mini bio Level 11
@Mortein:  That is why i said Gohan and the other show that their durability is not very high. A nearly dead frieza survived Nameks destruction didn't say anywhere he put up a shield to guard himself, so saying that unconscious Gohan is equal to a human in durability is speculation. Fact is that they died in a explosion that destroy the planet, If Gohan stayed alive and just died because he can breathe in space it would be a different story. He died when the Planet died so that is where his durability lies, its fact everything else is speculation.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,725 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Grand_Master_Daizen: Gohan had been injured, absorbed, all his ki drained, and was unconscious. Pleas stop your fail examples with no proof. I posted proof. 
Post by Mortein (1,558 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@Grand_Master_Daizen said:

" @Mortein:  That is why i said Gohan and the other show that their durability is not very high. A nearly dead frieza survived Nameks destruction didn't say anywhere he put up a shield to guard himself, so saying that unconscious Gohan is equal to a human in durability is speculation. Fact is that they died in a explosion that destroy the planet, If Gohan stayed alive and just died because he can breathe in space it would be a different story. He died when the Planet died so that is where his durability lies, its fact everything else is speculation. "

So we know that after Buu destroyed planet Gohan died.
It is proven that Frieza can survive planet explosion and it is proven that SSJ1 has better durability then Frieza, or do you disagree with this? 
If Z fighters are unconscious they will die from planet explosion, but if they are not they wont, or do you have something to prove otherwise?  
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,725 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Mortein: Remeber to Gohan had been beaten up, then absorbed. He had no ki or stamina and was already weakened/unconscious. Also its reasonable to say Buu's blast was much stronger than freeza's blast. 
Post by MastaZenyouX (7 posts) See mini bio Level 4

Literally DBZ characters have shat on planet destruction since Vegeta showed up. Saying 'planet destruction' now is almost a joke and considered PURE IGNORANCE. Just because it can blow up the planet doesn't mean it can't blow up much more.

Take for example the planet buster Vegeta vs. Frieza when Frieza kicked it out of orbit. Some people like to say that he kicked it out before the blast exploded, making frieza non planetary. HAH! WHAT FOOLS!

There are several reasons why this is disproven:

1. Android 16 to Android 18 when Cell was blowing up islands: "Don't worry, 18. Cell will control the blast to where they won't kill you."

DBZ characters have the ability to destroy environments around them yet saving enough power not to destroy their perceived target.

2. Frieza tanked Namek explosion.

3. If it was so easy for Frieza to kick the blast out of orbit, how come the Z warriors didn't try that when Cell shot his Kamehameha, hmm??? Simply because the energy inside of the blast is planetary. DBZ tanks them.

4. Cell's Solar System Kamehameha wasn't as BIG as the solar system, yet had the power to destroy it. The energy contained inside of the blast is massive.

So in conclusion, far exceeding planetary or multiplanetary for that matter. HAH!

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