Goku - Level of strength.

Topic started by comicfanforever on Oct. 8, 2009. Last post by MastaZenyouX 2 years, 4 months ago.
Post by comicfanforever (453 posts) See mini bio Level 12


Okay - How many tons can Giku lift, exactly... 
 
Saiyan Saga - ???? 
Freezer Saga ( before the fight with Freezer) - ??? 
Freezer Saga - Super Saiyan Form  
Android Saga - ??? 
Cell Games - Super Saiyan Full Power 
Majin Buu Saga:  Saiyan Form - 40 tons  
                                Super Saiyan level 1 - ??? (2000 tons???)
                                Super Saiyan level 2 - ??? 
                               Super Saiyan level 3 - ???

I've seen on youtube - super saiyan  multiplies 50 times. Goku can lift 40 tons (limit as saiyan- Majin Buu Saga). Super Saiyan level 1is 2000 tonnes (limit)??
Someone could help me?   Please....  
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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@comicfanforever said:
"


Okay - How many tons can Giku lift, exactly... 
 
Saiyan Saga - ???? 
Freezer Saga ( before the fight with Freezer) - ??? 
Freezer Saga - Super Saiyan Form  
Android Saga - ??? 
Cell Games - Super Saiyan Full Power 
Majin Buu Saga:  Saiyan Form - 40 tons  
                                Super Saiyan level 1 - ??? (2000 tons???)
                                Super Saiyan level 2 - ??? 
                               Super Saiyan level 3 - ???

I've seen on youtube - super saiyan  multiplies 50 times. Goku can lift 40 tons (limit as saiyan- Majin Buu Saga). Super Saiyan level 1is 2000 tonnes (limit)?? Someone could help me?   Please....   "
During Goku's time when he was training with King Kai on his planet long after the defeat of Cell he was seen completely unable to move with 10 tons attached to each limb which is 40 tons in total, now in his base form he was unable to move properly with 40 tons of weight on his body however when he turned into a Super Saiyan he was moving at incredible speeds and was completely fine, now it is stated that the Super Saiyan form increases the user's power 50x so it can be assumed that it applies for physical power as well so Super Saiyan Goku should be able to lift 2000 tons using maximum physical strength.  
 
Now as for Super Saiyan 2, it is never stated numerically how much the user's power is increased by so it cannot be properly defined what kind of strength Goku could lift. 
 
The same applies for Super Saiyan 3, it is never stated how much his power increases from his previous forms so it cannot be estimated how much his strength is or how much he can lift.
Post by comicfanforever (453 posts) See mini bio Level 12
@Newdeath said:
" @comicfanforever said:
"


Okay - How many tons can Giku lift, exactly... 
 
Saiyan Saga - ???? 
Freezer Saga ( before the fight with Freezer) - ??? 
Freezer Saga - Super Saiyan Form  
Android Saga - ??? 
Cell Games - Super Saiyan Full Power 
Majin Buu Saga:  Saiyan Form - 40 tons  
                                Super Saiyan level 1 - ??? (2000 tons???)
                                Super Saiyan level 2 - ??? 
                               Super Saiyan level 3 - ???

I've seen on youtube - super saiyan  multiplies 50 times. Goku can lift 40 tons (limit as saiyan- Majin Buu Saga). Super Saiyan level 1is 2000 tonnes (limit)?? Someone could help me?   Please....   "
During Goku's time when he was training with King Kai on his planet long after the defeat of Cell he was seen completely unable to move with 10 tons attached to each limb which is 40 tons in total, now in his base form he was unable to move properly with 40 tons of weight on his body however when he turned into a Super Saiyan he was moving at incredible speeds and was completely fine, now it is stated that the Super Saiyan form increases the user's power 50x so it can be assumed that it applies for physical power as well so Super Saiyan Goku should be able to lift 2000 tons using maximum physical strength.   Now as for Super Saiyan 2, it is never stated numerically how much the user's power is increased by so it cannot be properly defined what kind of strength Goku could lift.  The same applies for Super Saiyan 3, it is never stated how much his power increases from his previous forms so it cannot be estimated how much his strength is or how much he can lift. "

I used the internet and. .. many people use Super Saiyan Level 2 as double of Super Saiyan Lvel 1.

Example: SS1 multiply 50 times the power of the saiyan. SS2 multiplied 100 times the power of the saiyan (2 times the power of Super Saiyan 1)

Another intriguing thing ... Babidi to resurrect Majin Buu need the energy of 3 (three) Super Saiyan level 2 ... Goku said he could defeat  Fat Buu (manga vol 42 - the fight against Kid Buu). Super Saiyan level 3 should be between 3 - 4 times the power of Super Saiyan Level 2...???

Summary of idea:

Super Saiyan level 2 -  4000 tons (double of the Super Saiyan level 1 -  2 times 2000 tons = 4000 tons )

Super Saiyan level 3 (3-4 times Super Saiyan Level 2) - from 12,000 to 16,000 tons. 
 
?????
Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@comicfanforever said:
" @Newdeath said:
" @comicfanforever said:
"


Okay - How many tons can Giku lift, exactly... 
 
Saiyan Saga - ???? 
Freezer Saga ( before the fight with Freezer) - ??? 
Freezer Saga - Super Saiyan Form  
Android Saga - ??? 
Cell Games - Super Saiyan Full Power 
Majin Buu Saga:  Saiyan Form - 40 tons  
                                Super Saiyan level 1 - ??? (2000 tons???)
                                Super Saiyan level 2 - ??? 
                               Super Saiyan level 3 - ???

I've seen on youtube - super saiyan  multiplies 50 times. Goku can lift 40 tons (limit as saiyan- Majin Buu Saga). Super Saiyan level 1is 2000 tonnes (limit)?? Someone could help me?   Please....   "
During Goku's time when he was training with King Kai on his planet long after the defeat of Cell he was seen completely unable to move with 10 tons attached to each limb which is 40 tons in total, now in his base form he was unable to move properly with 40 tons of weight on his body however when he turned into a Super Saiyan he was moving at incredible speeds and was completely fine, now it is stated that the Super Saiyan form increases the user's power 50x so it can be assumed that it applies for physical power as well so Super Saiyan Goku should be able to lift 2000 tons using maximum physical strength.   Now as for Super Saiyan 2, it is never stated numerically how much the user's power is increased by so it cannot be properly defined what kind of strength Goku could lift.  The same applies for Super Saiyan 3, it is never stated how much his power increases from his previous forms so it cannot be estimated how much his strength is or how much he can lift. "

I used the internet and. .. many people use Super Saiyan Level 2 as double of Super Saiyan Lvel 1.

Example: SS1 multiply 50 times the power of the saiyan. SS2 multiplied 100 times the power of the saiyan (2 times the power of Super Saiyan 1)

Another intriguing thing ... Babidi to resurrect Majin Buu need the energy of 3 (three) Super Saiyan level 2 ... Goku said he could defeat  Fat Buu (manga vol 42 - the fight against Kid Buu). Super Saiyan level 3 should be between 3 - 4 times the power of Super Saiyan Level 2...???

Summary of idea:

Super Saiyan level 2 -  4000 tons (double of the Super Saiyan level 1 -  2 times 2000 tons = 4000 tons )

Super Saiyan level 3 (3-4 times Super Saiyan Level 2) - from 12,000 to 16,000 tons. 
 
?????
"
Hmmm..interesting.
Post by FLCL1 (3,935 posts) See mini bio Level 7
@comicfanforever said:
"@Newdeath said:
" @comicfanforever said:
"


Okay - How many tons can Giku lift, exactly... 
 
Saiyan Saga - ???? 
Freezer Saga ( before the fight with Freezer) - ??? 
Freezer Saga - Super Saiyan Form  
Android Saga - ??? 
Cell Games - Super Saiyan Full Power 
Majin Buu Saga:  Saiyan Form - 40 tons  
                                Super Saiyan level 1 - ??? (2000 tons???)
                                Super Saiyan level 2 - ??? 
                               Super Saiyan level 3 - ???

I've seen on youtube - super saiyan  multiplies 50 times. Goku can lift 40 tons (limit as saiyan- Majin Buu Saga). Super Saiyan level 1is 2000 tonnes (limit)?? Someone could help me?   Please....   "
During Goku's time when he was training with King Kai on his planet long after the defeat of Cell he was seen completely unable to move with 10 tons attached to each limb which is 40 tons in total, now in his base form he was unable to move properly with 40 tons of weight on his body however when he turned into a Super Saiyan he was moving at incredible speeds and was completely fine, now it is stated that the Super Saiyan form increases the user's power 50x so it can be assumed that it applies for physical power as well so Super Saiyan Goku should be able to lift 2000 tons using maximum physical strength.   Now as for Super Saiyan 2, it is never stated numerically how much the user's power is increased by so it cannot be properly defined what kind of strength Goku could lift.  The same applies for Super Saiyan 3, it is never stated how much his power increases from his previous forms so it cannot be estimated how much his strength is or how much he can lift. "

I used the internet and. .. many people use Super Saiyan Level 2 as double of Super Saiyan Lvel 1.

Example: SS1 multiply 50 times the power of the saiyan. SS2 multiplied 100 times the power of the saiyan (2 times the power of Super Saiyan 1)

Another intriguing thing ... Babidi to resurrect Majin Buu need the energy of 3 (three) Super Saiyan level 2 ... Goku said he could defeat  Fat Buu (manga vol 42 - the fight against Kid Buu). Super Saiyan level 3 should be between 3 - 4 times the power of Super Saiyan Level 2...???

Summary of idea:

Super Saiyan level 2 -  4000 tons (double of the Super Saiyan level 1 -  2 times 2000 tons = 4000 tons )

Super Saiyan level 3 (3-4 times Super Saiyan Level 2) - from 12,000 to 16,000 tons. 
 
?????
"

nice but its highly unlikely he can lift that it is stated that goku SS can amp his power by 50 however because of DBZs reputation on plot hole its not reliable
Post by comicfanforever (453 posts) See mini bio Level 12

I was to see the book  Dragon Ball Super Exciting Guide Stroy,   in fact my theories were correct.  
 
Super Saiyan Level 1 = 50 times Saiyan Level 
Super Saiyan Level 2 = 2 times Super Saiyan 1 = 100 Times Saiyan Level
Super Saiyan Level 3 = 4 times Super Saiyan 2 = 400 Times Saiyan Level  
 
Okay - How many tons can Goku lift    ( Majin Buu Saga) 
 
Goku Saiyan Level can lift 40 tons (maximum physical strength) 
Goku Super Saiyan 1 can Lift  2000 tons (maximum physical strength) 
Goku Super Saiyan 2 can lift 4000 tons ( maximum physical strength) 
Goku Super Saiyan 3 Can lift 16000 tons (  maximum physical strength)     
 
Summary of the ideia-
 
Super Saiyan Level 3 = 4 times Super Saiyan 2 = 400 Times Saiyan Level   = Goku Saiyan can lift 40 tons x 400 = 16000 tons
 
Goku  maximum physical strength    ( by the manga ( Majin Buu Saga)) is 16.000 tons.  
 
These Power Levels Were accepted by Akira Toriyana and these data were published on the book Dragon Ball Super Exciting Guide Stroy.  

     More information on this forum (I used this forum for my research)       
Post by Souichirou (1 posts) See mini bio Level 1

Sorry to burst the bubble but quoting "During Goku's time when he was training with King Kai on his planet long after the defeat of Cell he was seen completely unable to move with 10 tons attached to each limb which is 40 tons in total" it was not King Kai's planet it was the planet of the Grand kai due to his planet being destroyed by Cell, BUT like King Kai's planet the Grand Kai's planet it has around 10 times earths gravity so just doing the math 40 tons total on the Grand Kai's planet is really 400 tons in earth gravity so to correct the math. 
 
 
Goku Saiyan Level can lift 400 tons (maximum physical strength) 
Goku Super Saiyan 1 can Lift  20,000 tons (maximum physical strength) 
Goku Super Saiyan 2 can lift 40,000 tons (maximum physical strength) 
Goku Super Saiyan 3 Can lift 160,000 tons (maximum physical strength)      
Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@Souichirou: 10 times the gravity of Earth eh? Hmm. Either way Goku's physical strength is not impressive to me at least. 
 
ND
Post by comicfanforever (453 posts) See mini bio Level 12
@Souichirou said:

"Sorry to burst the bubble but quoting "During Goku's time when he was training with King Kai on his planet long after the defeat of Cell he was seen completely unable to move with 10 tons attached to each limb which is 40 tons in total" it was not King Kai's planet it was the planet of the Grand kai due to his planet being destroyed by Cell, BUT like King Kai's planet the Grand Kai's planet it has around 10 times earths gravity so just doing the math 40 tons total on the Grand Kai's planet is really 400 tons in earth gravity so to correct the math.   Goku Saiyan Level can lift 400 tons (maximum physical strength) Goku Super Saiyan 1 can Lift  20,000 tons (maximum physical strength) Goku Super Saiyan 2 can lift 40,000 tons (maximum physical strength) Goku Super Saiyan 3 Can lift 160,000 tons (maximum physical strength)       "


I did not put this information because I did not find this information in the manga (I wanted to keep a coherent thought in the information). Thank you for putting your information on this thread.  Your information makes sense and the information is very intelligent.        
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
well vegeta before achieving ssj1 could train intensely under 18 tons,  in the English manga  its 180tons  (180 00kg) training under is harder than just lifting. And ssj is 50x increase  Even if it is 18tons though (300x60=1800) in ssj1 its still 900ton, in ssj 2 its 1800ton assuming vegeta base did not get stronger. 
Post by comicfanforever (453 posts) See mini bio Level 12
@hitsusatsu11 said:
"well vegeta before achieving ssj1 could train intensely under 18 tons,  in the English manga  its 180tons  (180 00kg) training under is harder than just lifting. And ssj is 50x increase  Even if it is 18tons though (300x60=1800) in ssj1 its still 900ton, in ssj 2 its 1800ton assuming vegeta base did not get stronger. 
 
 
"

Which version you are using? is the English version?

The version that you are using is wrong. 60 Kg  (the weight of Vegeta) multiplied by 300 equals is 18 tons (18.000 Kg) - Not 180 tons. Many versions have errors. You should read the Japanese and French versions - they are the best.

Post by comicfanforever (453 posts) See mini bio Level 12

But, user hitsusatsu11    - Thank you for putting your information on this thread,  with your information we can reach new conclusions. Thank you very much,  hitsusatsu11. I hope you continue to contribute with information about Dragon Ball.    
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@comicfanforever:  yes i said if its 18tons then in ssj2 it would by 1800tons(18*50*2) Assuming his base form is the same level strength as it was before androids, i believe his has become much much stronger. 
Post by rangiku_63 (43 posts) See mini bio Level 8
i guess almost all of us here knows naruto.
we.re talking about goku's level of strength here right ?
i have a question to ask all of you on this forum:D
Is goku stronger than naruto???
Please i need an answer from any of you here:D
Post by FuhrerRoyMustang (69 posts) See mini bio Level 6
@rangiku_63: Of course Goku is stronger than Naruto. What kind of question is that?
Post by Nerx (13,843 posts) See mini bio Level 12
What about striking strength?
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Nerx:  Striking strength would easily exceed billions or trillion of tons. The below scan shows Gotenks hitting Buu down from like 50 feet in the air while fooling around and he creates a huge grand canyon like impact, comparable to a meteor strike. This exceeds the punching power of other characters who are confirmed as lifting billions, trillions, ect. tonnage. 
 





Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@rangiku_63:  
 
Base form Naruto would probably be IDK, my guess is 5-25 ton max lift 
Sage Mode is class 100 tons 
Kyubi tails far exceeds 100 tons. 
Post by TrexTitan (1 posts) See mini bio Level 2

Uhm... might be worth taking note that grand kai's planet, being  a place where warriors all across the 4 galaxies train.. might have more than x1 gravity. ill be conservative and say x10 like grand kai's planet.. it might be even more. it was never stated, yes, but it was also never stated that is was x1 gravity either. 

So, at a conservative estimate, gravity could be x10, which would mean 100 tons per arm. might be more too.

Also worth mentioning that goku had not powered up at all, so he was pretty much excerting himself in a "cold" state. even a base form can vary in PL from 5 to 80 000 (with ginyu) so the potential "powered up" strength of goku would be pretty high... (this is in the frieza saga too, the gap between goku's cold state and powered up state could be even greater. alas, this is my theory... but i find it hard to believe goku would be fully powered up while training with some weights... this would also explain why frieza saga goku, who weighed like 80 kg's could perform super humany in x100 times gravity. (every cell in his being would be x10 as heavy = a big workout) yet the immensly stronger buu saga goku would struggle lifting 10 tons with his arm or leg? 


onto the "ss2 = x2 ss1) no.. makes no sense, then what were ascended/ultra super saiyans? like a 1.2 and 1.5 boost? no way... imperfect cell were leaps and bounds more than x2 stronger than ss1 vegeta, and his ascended from ripped him to shreds. goku tossed a 2x2 meter cube of immense mass with one hand, if we assume it had the same density as say, gold or uranium, it would have weighed 160 000 kg's or 160 tons... (1 cubic decimeter of uranium/gold avg 20 kg's 8000 cubic decimeters of that material = 160 tons) and goku tossed it hard one handed, also without powering up at all. 


(lastly, base naruto lift even 5 tons?... LAWL, more like 300-500 kg's on a good day...)

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