Watch & Learn: FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST BROTHERHOOD #54

Topic started by No_name_here on Jan. 28, 2011. Last post by FoxxFireArt 3 years, 7 months ago.
Post by No_name_here (856 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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  He's opening his heart to you all.
 He's opening his heart to you all.

See, this is what I’ve enjoyed so much about anime. I’m not totally familiar with the territory, so I honestly can’t predict everything that’s coming. In this episode, there are a lot of possibilities floating in the air. Will Mustang kill Envy? If not him, then who? If he does it, will it actually taint his leadership of Amestris? Will he even become leader, or will it be Olivier instead?  The resulting tension’s balancing on a razor’s edge, because the actions taken, from moment to moment, hinge on a whole series of intertwined possibilitie.

It also speaks to good drama that I was actually feeling such frustration over what was happening. Indeed, I was almost pulling my hair out over the whole gang stopping Mustang from finishing Envy off. Whether it was vengeance-fueled or not, the deed needed to be done by somebody and  Ed, Scar and Hawkeye have all established themselves as incapable of properly handling the homunculi. It honestly looked like they were even about to put the little worm in a jar again and leave him in another foolish little kid’s care - - since that worked so well last time.

This isn’t to take from the power of the discussion that centers this episode. I'm glad this show's long enough to accommodate a whole half an episode devoted to a moral dialog.  My attitude, incidentally,  is that the justifications of lethal force depend on the show and the world. People bring up Batman all the time, but the difference with him is that there’s at least a system for the Joker to be incarcerated into. There’s no jail for Envy to be sealed up in Amestris because these characters are at war, and Mustang seem like the only one who understands that. Revenge served on a hot dish might not make good chicken soup for the soul of a leader, but that day of promotion may never actually come unless he works himself into the kind of frenzy needed to vanquish these tremendously-dangerous monsters. 

All that said, you can argue that Ed’s the one who effectively kills Envy, only his weapons were his words. Am I right?

Watch this episode, “Beyond the Inferno,” below, decide for yourself and read my comments on the previous episode here.  

  

Tom Pinchuk’s the writer of  HYBRID BASTARDS!  &  UNIMAGINABLE . Order them on Amazon   here  &   here .  Follow him on Twitter:  @tompinchuk

Post by rubberluffy (589 posts) See mini bio Level 16
I think Scar kind of shows that getting "revenge" can overpower your common sense.  Scar was killing State Alchemists who took part in the Ishval Extermination, but eventually he started to go after ones who had no part in it (like Ed).  Could the same thing have happened to Mustang?  Possibly.
 
I like the idea of Envy committing suicide.  You have Mustang's massive beatdown, then the discussion of who will actually kill Envy instead, then Ed merely trying to understand the "why" behind Envy, which in turn leads to the little creature hastening it's own inevitable end.  I don't think there was even the slightest chance of Envy surviving, it was dying one way or another, but killing itself was kind of a last chance "fuck you" to everyone there.
 
And you didn't even mention the Sloth stuff, Tom.  Armstrong fixing his dislocated shoulder in the most ridiculous fashion, then proceeding to punch Sloth so hard that his regeneration was kicking in.
Post by FoxxFireArt (2,643 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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Did anyone else notice what I did? How did Olivier get her men and the parts for the tank to build under the mansion? It was that fight she had with her brother. By destroying much of the mansion. There was then a reason to have a great deal of people coming and going with large amounts of materials with the tank parts along with it. That fight wasn't just comedy. It was a plot point.
 
There was some good and heavy drama in here. Have you noticed the dramatic decrease in the amount of chibi overreaction shots?
 
It was so heavy when Roy asks Riza what she plans to do after she kills him. That great reaction shot he has when she tells him she plans to kill herself and destroy her body so no more Flame Alchemists can be created.
I was so frustrated by that end of the scene with Riza and Mustang. It had me yelling at the screen. When he started walking to her and lowering her gun. I actually yelled out, "Kiss her. Kiss her, dammit.". lol You know a series is doing a good job when you can lose yourself in them.

For such a European setting, the relationships have very Japanese cultural limits to them.
Post by Lurkero (409 posts) See mini bio Level 7
C'mon Tom. That justification for Joker vs Batman is weak. In the real world people have the right to self defense in equal force. Joker frequently attempts to take people's lives and sometimes is successful. The death penalty and self defense exist, yet so many comic book villains just get a slap on the wrist and detention.
 
I didn't have much to say about this episode except that the series is still enjoyable.
Post by ninjadude853 (464 posts) See mini bio Level 12
They were going to kill him. Hawkeye specifically said that she'd finish Envy. They just didn't want Mustang to do it in a fit of rage. It's the same situation as when Luke Skywalker didn't want to strike at the emperor in anger during the battle of Endor in Return of the Jedi.
 
That's how it was in the manga at least. And speaking of the manga. I just bought volume 24 today.
Post by rubberluffy (589 posts) See mini bio Level 16
@ninjadude853 said:

"I just bought volume 24 today. "


And also on the subject of buying FMA things, I retired my Sanosuke Sagara wallet today, which I've had for almost 7 years, because I ordered this FMA one, which came today.  A little small, but nice.
Post by kashif1 (1,813 posts) See mini bio Level 13
Thats another karmic death down.
Post by No_name_here (856 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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@rubberluffy said:
" I think Scar kind of shows that getting "revenge" can overpower your common sense.  Scar was killing State Alchemists who took part in the Ishval Extermination, but eventually he started to go after ones who had no part in it (like Ed).  Could the same thing have happened to Mustang?  Possibly. 
Maybe so. As far as hypothetical dialogs go, I think there's something to be said about revenge being necessary to get him "in the zone" enough to take on a homunculis.  
 I like the idea of Envy committing suicide.  You have Mustang's massive beatdown, then the discussion of who will actually kill Envy instead, then Ed merely trying to understand the "why" behind Envy, which in turn leads to the little creature hastening it's own inevitable end.  I don't think there was even the slightest chance of Envy surviving, it was dying one way or another, but killing itself was kind of a last chance "fuck you" to everyone there. 
Yeah, it was definitely a fitting end for the monster. 
 
Discussion of Sloth coming for next episode, don't worry.
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@FoxxFireArt said:
" Did anyone else notice what I did? How did Olivier get her men and the parts for the tank to build under the mansion? It was that fight she had with her brother. By destroying much of the mansion. There was then a reason to have a great deal of people coming and going with large amounts of materials with the tank parts along with it. 
Whoa...
  Have you noticed the dramatic decrease in the amount of chibi overreaction shots? 
Yeah, thankfully.
I was so frustrated by that end of the scene with Riza and Mustang. It had me yelling at the screen. When he started walking to her and lowering her gun. I actually yelled out, "Kiss her. Kiss her, dammit.". lol You know a series is doing a good job when you can lose yourself in them. 
I've noticed that these shows seem to spend a lot of time on romantic tension with something of a patent disinterest in resolution. I get the feeling there isn't going to be much further development of Winry and Ed's relationship, considering how much there is to resolve in the next 10 episodes.
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@lurkero said:
" C'mon Tom. That justification for Joker vs Batman is weak. In the real world people have the right to self defense in equal force. Joker frequently attempts to take people's lives and sometimes is successful. The death penalty and self defense exist, yet so many comic book villains just get a slap on the wrist and detention. 
I think a lot of the moral drawbacks of superheroes' M.O. stem from it being an ongoing serial. The real reason the Joker keeps breaking out is because he's the most popular villain. In the movies (well, and there are other unfortunate reasons,) I don't think he'd break out of Arkham after getting locked up.
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@ninjadude853 said:
It's the same situation as when Luke Skywalker didn't want to strike at the emperor in anger during the battle of Endor in Return of the Jedi.  =
Oh, man... that's why ROTJ is the weakest STAR WARS to me. They basically make the hero out to be a second-rate "conscientious objector" who's going to hope somebody else gets the job done for him.
Post by FoxxFireArt (2,643 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@Tom_Pinchuk: 
See, I just blew your mind with the depth of this series like a Briggs Tank.
 
I've already watched this series to it's finale. I wont say too much, but there is only one more short chibi soon with Denny Brosh and that's it for the rest of the show.

" I've noticed that these shows seem to spend a lot of time on romantic tension with something of a patent disinterest in resolution. I get the feeling there isn't going to be much further development of Winry and Ed's relationship, considering how much there is to resolve in the next 10 episodes. "

If there was ever a good moment for a grab her and kiss her moment. That one with Riza would of been it. Maybe is Ed and Scar weren't there. That would've been a mood killer.
 
For a series that has such strong roots in European/German culture. The relationships have rather Japanese cultural limits. That's something that has frustrated me about many manga/anime.
 
I could go into great detail about that, but I'll spare you. It's just that there are a lot of ways to tell someone in Japanese that you love them in varying degrees. There is one that you almost never use unless you are really close to someone.
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