Watch & Learn: FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST BROTHERHOOD #34

Topic started by No_name_here on Dec. 12, 2010. Last post by sotyfan16 3 years, 9 months ago.
Post by No_name_here (856 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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 I don't remember you, but I can tell you're a loser. Ha ha ha...
 I don't remember you, but I can tell you're a loser. Ha ha ha...

OK… who the hell is this Falman guy? The show could’ve maybe benefit from pop-up footnotes, because the context makes it pretty clear that he showed up in one of the 33 earlier episodes, and I’m drawing an absolute void of a blank on him. It’s not like he has a distinguishing name like Mustang’s or a distinguishing mustache like Armstrong’s (the male one’s, at least) to make him stick out in my mind. See, it’s been a while since we last saw Sloth and that glimpse was only brief... but I still remember him because he’s, well, memorable. Anyway, I’m sure one of you has the 411 on this dude, so let me hear it.  

Back to Sloth - - the dude’s actually one of the more aptly named Homunculi. He might be absurdly-jacked for a creature defined by being lazy, but “sleepy” and “forgetful” are definitely adjectives I’d expect to apply to a character named "Sloth." You figure there are any more parallels to draw to the Rocky Road-lovign Sloth from THE GOONIES?’

“Heeeeeeyyyyyyyyy yoooooooooou guyyyyyyyyyyyysssss!” 

General Armstrong is a certified shrew, though I suspect this WILL work out like a lot of work affairs work out. First, you can’t stand the woman and her attitude, but then isolation gradually starts messing with your standards until you actually start getting turned on by everything you were so aggravated by in the first place. And a winter fortress is the perfect kind of isolation for that.

It’s a small thing, but I can appreciate the attitude the quarter-Ishvalan soldier expresses. People with a well-adjusted sense of identity aren’t going around, stressing their backgrounds to everybody. They define themselves by… themselves, without any associations or pretexts. Those are the people who succeed, not the ones who have chips on their shoulders.

Watch this episode, “Ice Queen,” below and decide for yourself, then read my comments on the previous episode here.      

  

Tom Pinchuk’s the writer of  HYBRID BASTARDS!  &  UNIMAGINABLE . Order them on Amazon   here  &   here .  Follow him on Twitter:  @tompinchuk

Post by rubberluffy (593 posts) See mini bio Level 16
Falman is one of Mustang's crew.  He was the guy who was tasked with babysitting Barry The Chopper way back in the teens.  When Bradley broke up Mustang's group, he was sent up north. 
 
I really like the exchange between Miles and Ed.  I also just like Miles in general.  He's a cool dude.
Post by FoxxFireArt (2,643 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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Olivier Armstrong is one of the few things tempting me to actually start watching this version of the series. I like her character. The problem is that every female character I really seemed to enjoy in this series gets killed (ala Martel). I never finished reading the manga story either. I really have no idea how all this ends. I really haven't watched a single episode of FMA: Brotherhood.
 
I could read the FMA: Brotherhood scanlations of the manga. It is a VIZ series. I mostly stopped reading scanlations of other manga series. VIZ really is the only publisher I can't bring myself to support due to their censorship and over-localization. Sucks that some of my favorite manga stories are published by them.
 
You linked to the wrong Sloth. That was the one from the first anime series. In that version of the story, they mixed up some of the Sins. (Bonus points for making a Goonies reference.)
Post by rubberluffy (593 posts) See mini bio Level 16
@FoxxFireArt: 
Martel's death at least has a purpose in the manga/Brotherhood.  And I'll just say that Arakawa treats her female characters with respect.

Also we get it, you don't like VIZ.  Sheesh.
Post by FoxxFireArt (2,643 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@rubberluffy: 
With as much censorship as VIZ puts into manga and offer no alternative no the audience. They deserve every venomous word of it.
 
I am incredibly frustrated that in the manga they produce that Id like to buy they have altered and censored. In my favorite manga of them all. They butchered the story and can't even translate right.
 
Normally, I don't like the idea of supporting piracy, but if the pirates are the only ones offering the authentic story. It's sadly the only good option.
Post by soramio (9 posts) See mini bio Level 8
I just like Fullmetal Alchemist... All of it. I see nothing wrong with the different 'versions' that there are. I just like them all XDD
Post by kashif1 (1,813 posts) See mini bio Level 13
@FoxxFireArt said:
" @rubberluffy: 
With as much censorship as VIZ puts into manga and offer no alternative no the audience. They deserve every venomous word of it.  I am incredibly frustrated that in the manga they produce that Id like to buy they have altered and censored. In my favorite manga of them all. They butchered the story and can't even translate right.  Normally, I don't like the idea of supporting piracy, but if the pirates are the only ones offering the authentic story. It's sadly the only good option. "
wasn't this the only FMA censorship

 JApan
 JApan

 VIZ
 VIZ
Note that the author approved the changes
Post by FoxxFireArt (2,643 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@kashif1: 
She was asked about that change and approved it. Would she also of allowed it to be shown uncensored? This is an example of a religious overreaction. It doesn't change the fact is was censored for the U.S. release, but not in the Japanese release.

Also, in VIZ version of Fullmetal Alchemist, there are times Riza Hawkeyes name is spelled as Liza. They are suppose to have paid proofreaders and editors who can't even keep characters' names straight. These are only two examples in one series of how sloppy a publisher they are. Some manga they hardly touch. Others they right out butcher.
 
If VIZ can release uncut DVDs, there is no valid excuse why they can't publish uncut manga. They refuse to offer an authentic experience to the audience that is looking for it. So, scanlations are the only option if you want to see and read the real story.
Post by kidbuu123 (2 posts) See mini bio Level 5

i hate full metal Alchemist
Post by Kelleth (7,777 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@kidbuu123:  Then why post?
Post by rubberluffy (593 posts) See mini bio Level 16
@FoxxFireArt said:
" @kashif1: 
She was asked about that change and approved it. Would she also of allowed it to be shown uncensored? This is an example of a religious overreaction. It doesn't change the fact is was censored for the U.S. release, but not in the Japanese release.

It was changed for the anime too.  Instead of a cross, or the VIZ edit, Greed was attached to a cylindrical piece of stone.
Post by FoxxFireArt (2,643 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@rubberluffy: 
That's still not addressing the fact that the manga was censored in the U.S., but not in Japan. This is just one example of their censorship. Many, many of the manga they publish have been censored. Nor does it explain they poor edit work.
 
Pretty much all changes a company makes must get some level of approval, such as by the copyright holder. I'm not sure if you ever saw 4Kids' version of One Piece. That series was beyond butchered. Entire canon story arcs were just removed, entire scenes were rewritten to have different meanings, and the artwork was drastically altered. It wasn't even near the same story anymore. They must of gotten approval to do that, and it was still horrible. It was not worth supporting, because we couldn't get the actual story the way it was originally intended to be seen. Thankfully, FUNimation rescued the series.
 
There is a trend from VIZ in religious themed alterations. In One Piece, they refused to use the word "God" in the entire Skypiea Arc. They called him "Kami" the whole time. Despite the fact in the Japanese version the villain was literally called "Goddo Eneru". That was six volumes wirth of edits.
In Detective Conan, the two big villains of the series were called "Gin and Vodka" for the Japanese version. VIZ renamed them "Melkior and Kaspar", names of two of the three Wise Men from the Bible.
 
Though VIZ also edits and censored their anime productions. They offer uncut versions for those who want it. They don't offer that same option to fans of the manga.
Post by Psychotime (53 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@FoxxFireArt: They seem to be very selective when it comes to religious imagery. (Look at Death Note.) They're probably aiming to keep an incident from occurring. I can't say I like them, but if we live in a country that has people that will throw a fit over Smiley Bone smoking a pipe to the point that they try to have it banned, I'm sure Viz made the changes with the intention of squelching any potential incident that could eventually occur, and in reality they're pretty minor.
 
Funimation probably decided to leave the word "Kami" untranslated in Dragonball for the same reason.
 
If there's anything I don't like about what Viz does, it's the removal of sound effects outside of their Signature line (at least in Monster, anyway. 20th Century Boys got those edited.) Del Rey and Tokyopop may not publish much stuff I genuinely care about, but I love their choice to keep them intact, as they're just as much a part of the illustrations as anything else.
 
Now, there's no chance of Viz ever changing it's policies, just as much as there won't be a chance of their licenses going anywhere else (It's a company jointly owned by Shueisha and Shogakukan.) I've grown to accept them. To each their own.
Post by FoxxFireArt (2,643 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@psychotime: 
Actually, in the One Piece anime, FUNimation call Eneru "God" in the dubbed version.
 
Then you are growing to accepts a bad product that doesn't care for authenticity in stories. They take some manga and turn them into childish versions of the original, such as Naruto.  How Rock Lee was changed from a master of the Drunken Fist to the "Potion Punch", and they painted out the cigarette from Shikamaru's mouth.

You can't get the real story from them.
Post by Psychotime (53 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@FoxxFireArt:  I really think you're exaggerating. I don't know a thing about Naruto, so I can't say anything about any edits they might have done, but if we can return to the cross edit in Fullmetal, I gotta ask, what did removing a cross change exactly? Did the story's plot somehow turn into a completely different direction depending on what object Greed was strapped to? I can't say for sure if Brotherhood changed it or not, I didn't pay attention to it, for pretty much the same reason. An edit like that doesn't change anything.
 
There's nothing wrong with being a purist. It can be a very good thing, but I think you're taking it too far. That said, I can't say anything about your Naruto examples.
 
And from looking at your earlier post, I think you're likening Viz to 4kids. I honestly have no idea what they have to do with this conversation at all. Or how their edits are anywhere near their level.  Could you give me some more examples of edits in One Piece or Fullmetal that cross the line? It could help me see the problems for myself.
 
But there's one thing I do agree with you on and it's their  lack of consistency. Some decisions could possibly not be policy and instead be arbitrary. For example, if there were considerable edits in Dragonball (at least the current Viz Big version), they must somehow be more potentially offensive than Goku's penis, because this version doesn't edit any of that out. Even in Japan, they decided to edit that out in any flashbacks when Kai got assigned it's timeslot.
Post by rubberluffy (593 posts) See mini bio Level 16
@psychotime said:

" @FoxxFireArt:  Could you give me some more examples of edits in One Piece or Fullmetal that cross the line? It could help me see the problems for myself.


 
For Viz's FMA, I only have volume 1, but the only problem with that one is that it needs major proofreading.  I do know that a lot of the later volumes have a hard time agreeing on the right word/name for things, but Brotherhood helped clear a lot up.  Even FUNi's 2003 anime dub had a number of incorrect names.
 
Anyway, this has been one hell of a derail.
Post by kashif1 (1,813 posts) See mini bio Level 13
@FoxxFireArt said:
" @rubberluffy: 
That's still not addressing the fact that the manga was censored in the U.S., but not in Japan. This is just one example of their censorship. Many, many of the manga they publish have been censored. Nor does it explain they poor edit work.
 
Pretty much all changes a company makes must get some level of approval, such as by the copyright holder. I'm not sure if you ever saw 4Kids' version of One Piece. That series was beyond butchered. Entire canon story arcs were just removed, entire scenes were rewritten to have different meanings, and the artwork was drastically altered. It wasn't even near the same story anymore. They must of gotten approval to do that, and it was still horrible. It was not worth supporting, because we couldn't get the actual story the way it was originally intended to be seen. Thankfully, FUNimation rescued the series.
 
There is a trend from VIZ in religious themed alterations. In One Piece, they refused to use the word "God" in the entire Skypiea Arc. They called him "Kami" the whole time. Despite the fact in the Japanese version the villain was literally called "Goddo Eneru". That was six volumes wirth of edits.
In Detective Conan, the two big villains of the series were called "Gin and Vodka" for the Japanese version. VIZ renamed them "Melkior and Kaspar", names of two of the three Wise Men from the Bible.
 
Though VIZ also edits and censored their anime productions. They offer uncut versions for those who want it. They don't offer that same option to fans of the manga. "
For the record Toie(i think that's how you spell it) was pissed off about one piece.   There is a reason 4kids almost completely stopped doing anime after One Piece.  Besides your the first person ive seen to demand uncensored manga, there probably isn't that big of a demand.
Post by FoxxFireArt (2,643 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@psychotime:
 I'm not going to list through all the censorship VIZ does to manga. I've already mentions examples, here. It's just that VIZ makes the claim that they don't want people to use scanlations, but refuse to offer an alternative that meets scanlations in authenticity.
 
They already know that people want the anime uncut. They provide that option, but provide no option to those who want the manga uncensored. If they aren't going to provide the authentic story without censored story or art. I'm going to go to who will.
 
What 4Kids does to anime. VIZ does to many manga series.
 
@rubberluffy:
The issue is that VIZ puts out an inferior product to scanlations, but claim they don't want anyone to use them.
 
FUNimation at times have errors in subtitles. That because they were putting the episodes out hours after they aired in Japan. More likely, the mistakes wont be there for the DVDs. There is no excuse for VIZ o have these errors when there are months apart from original publication to U.S. distribution.
 
@kashif1: 
For as pissed off as you say, they didn't do anything to stop it. Also, they only produce the anime. They don't hold the copyright over it.
 
4Kids stopped doing the anime due to financial reasons. If it wasn't for that change. They would still be butchering One Piece to this day, and that would be our only option. After FUNimation rescued the series. I stopped watching fansubs. FUNimation was now offering the product I was looking for.
 
I seriously doubt I'm the only person demanding altered version of censored manga. If there isn't that big a demand, why are scalations so dominant? People use scanlations, because they don't like the product offered in the U.S.
 
Other publishers are providing manga with no censorship or localization and they are doing very well.
Post by zaldar (1,276 posts) See mini bio Level 15
ok  can we make this a viz stinks with their editing free zone.  We get it now....sorry you hate them trying to appeal to what still is the largest demographic in America (Christians) still.  I mean the author wasn't trying to make a religious point with her drawing probably didn't even think of the difference as a big deal.  
 
Anywho.  Yeah I love the ice queen but yes she is a shrew....one wonders why the characters foxx likes tend to be shrews......
Post by zaldar (1,276 posts) See mini bio Level 15
no foxx they go to scannlations because they are free.  Provide people a place to get something for free and most of them will choose it.  People are mostly evil bastards.  And yes I expect they are just trying to stop a potential incident.  None of the examples you have shown honestly bother me that much, Naruto is generally kiddy and always has been even in the original much like dragonball of yu yu hakusho (now what japan considers kiddy and what we do is different definitely)
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