Watch & Learn: FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST BROTHERHOOD #19

Topic started by No_name_here on Oct. 21, 2010. Last post by SamJaz 3 years, 8 months ago.
Post by SamJaz (11,173 posts) See mini bio Level 19
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@FoxxFireArt: Oh, that's your problem with Brotherhood? Okay.
 
Back in the planning stages for the original anime, the mangaka explained the plot of Brotherhood to the team, and said "And you guys are going to do something completely different."
Her reasoning was that she put so much focus on the pacing of the story, the little tics of the characters, the lost-level hints and whatnot, that making an anime at that point would ruin the series because of one thing. FILLER.
 
So, she ordered them to make the series about how they would end it. She wanted to know the fan's predictions of the show. She was actually completely blown away by how far the team got from her original idea.
 
Then 2009 came, and she announced that FMA was ready for a real anime, because by the time the series caught up, it'd be a week since the manga ended.
 
That help?
Post by vergilius (147 posts) See mini bio Level 13
@FoxxFireArt: What @zaldar should have said was that Brotherhood is better plotted and more thematically cohesive than the first anime, and basically improves on what made the first one good.
 
Also, I should note that the "Watch & Learn" series is most of the reason I signed up for this site.
Post by FoxxFireArt (2,638 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@SamJaz: 
Well, it explains things a bit better. Did they leave out the whole Rose rape thing from that first anime? I really hated that.
 
I pretty much stopped watching the Soul Eater anime when I saw it was going off script of the manga. I felt that in a few years they will just do the same thing with Soul Eater. I hate it when series do that. I just don't see the point of doing the same series twice.
 
Feels like a marketing plot. They want an anime out as soon as possible to serve as advertising for the manga and get people to buy the manga volumes and anime DVDs. All so a few years later they can make another anime with the "true" end to get people to buy that as well. I hate marketing crap such as that.
 
@vergilius:
That actually does explain things better.
 
I'm not talking about the "Watch & Learn" articles. Why are people missing that point? I just don't care for the animes being covered in the articles right now. Hopefully once these are over he might pick something I am interested in following with, but I kind of doubt that. He pretty much limits himself to things he can get on DVD.
Post by rubberluffy (567 posts) See mini bio Level 16
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@FoxxFireArt: 
Rose is a pretty minor character in the manga/BH.  Arakawa treats her much nicer, too.  Also the only story similarities between 2003 and BH ended with BH ep 13.
 
Also I had the same problem with Soul eater.  I got to episode 38-ish and the show just started to feel off.  Started to read the manga instead.  My sister finished watching the anime and proceeded to tell me how much she hated the last like 10 episodes.  So it seems I made a good choice.
Post by sotyfan16 (1,340 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@rubberluffy:
I finished Soul Eater a few weeks back and the ending sucked (I have no idea what the manga ending is). So much emphasis put on certain emotions and actions.
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@sotyfan16: 
There is no manga ending yet.  It is currently somewhere like 30 chapters past what the anime equivalent was.  And it is a monthly series (same magazine as FMA), so there has actually been a LOT that has happened.
 

Post by sotyfan16 (1,340 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@rubberluffy:
Cool! I'll want to check that out then. What do you think of the then ending? PM me your thoughts. I'll make mention in my blog (that will be put up soon).
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@SamJaz:  Maybe the should've had a bunch of hearts in the top right hand corner that gradually depleted with each death?
Post by vergilius (147 posts) See mini bio Level 13
@FoxxFireArt said:
" @SamJaz:  Feels like a marketing plot. They want an anime out as soon as possible to serve as advertising for the manga and get people to buy the manga volumes and anime DVDs. All so a few years later they can make another anime with the "true" end to get people to buy that as well. I hate marketing crap such as that."
I was thinking about this the other day...essentially, the ideal situation for most people would be to wait for a manga to conclude before adapting it to another medium.  And it seems like that would be a good idea on the surface of it.  Buy up the rights to a manga when it becomes popular, and then animate it later, so you can do the source material justice.
 
There are just so many practical problems with that...
(1) Some manga can go on for decades.  How long is too long to wait?
(2) People will be willing to offer more money to adapt something now than they will be to adapt something in the future (because, you know, interest exists). 
(3) Something popular now might be completely forgotten in a few years...there is a lot of risk involved in putting off an adaptation.
 
 I don't know if it is entirely correct to say that they want the anime out quickly to advertise for the manga...that is certainly a consideration, but it isn't like it is the same companies making the manga and the anime.  What makes manga adaptations attractive to animation companies is that there is a built-in audience and most of the creative risks have already been taken.  What makes it attractive to the manga companies is, yes, the free advertising, but also the royalties and such.
 
I think the way brotherhood handled it is not a bad compromise, actually.  The manga company got its steady income stream locked into place, and we got two pretty good shows.  My preference would be for people to just adapt as much as has been covered in the manga and then come back to it later...and some shows have taken that route.  The downside is that it leads to a "non-ending" but I'm okay with that because well, the story *wasn't* over.
 
Moral of the story is, as much as I would like my anime to be all original writing or filler-free adaptation, the industry has to make money or I get nothing, and that means it has to hedge its bets and generally be risk-averse.
Post by SamJaz (11,173 posts) See mini bio Level 19
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@FoxxFireArt: Rose rape? That's new to me. 
Worst she got after her adventure in the third episode was bumping into a few things during a power cut. Maybe. Nobody gets raped in Brotherhood. Except maybe Alphonse by Mai, but that was just funny because she's a little girl dry-humping a suit of armour. It was really more of a glomp to be fair. So no rape. Everyone's too busy for rape.
Yeah, the first series was pretty much was a marketing plot.
 
@Tom_Pinchuk: for the Homunculi? That would have been useful for them.

Post by FoxxFireArt (2,638 posts) See mini bio Level 25
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@vergilius: 
I'm still siding that it was a promotional tool for the manga. 
 
I just hate the idea that they are making another series after they did it once before. It's one of the reasons why I'm still not sold on the Evangelion rebuilds. It's just the same story, shortened, and in high-def. I already saw that story, why do I want to see it again as a different version. Is anyone under the delusion that they will give it all a better ending. How many times are they going to keep making new endings for a single series?
 
@SamJaz:
Well, where did you think that baby came from in the first anime? Scar even said as much. She was taken away to the troops barracks, when she was let go she could no longer talk due to the trauma, and was pregnant. Didn't you notice that look of disgusted horror on Ed's face after Scar said that?
Post by SamJaz (11,173 posts) See mini bio Level 19
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@FoxxFireArt: Again, I stopped watching the first series after that village got turned to wood, so I didn't know about any baby or trauma.
There's actually an 80% chance that Rebuild of Evangelion is, in fact, a sequel. 

 
And if that's not enough to float your boat, check this out.
 


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