The Words, They Fail Me: Phantom 10 Leaked

Topic started by gia on June 3, 2009. Last post by lyth 5 years, 9 months ago.
Post by gia (3,032 posts) See mini bio Level 13

Okay, I am just completely lacking in words to say about this. Episode 10 of Phantom ~Requiem for the Phantom~, which was supposed to air tomorrow at 1pm central time on FUNimation's video site, about 45 minutes after it starts airing in Japan, was discovered by a group on FUNimation's servers almost a full day prior to its actual scheduled airtime, as was Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, which had at least already aired in Japan. Of course, both shows wound up on BitTorrent shortly thereafter. (And this right on the coattails of the news that FUNi was restoring the FMA simulcast!)

I am completely mind-boggled. First, as much as I love FUNimation and have great respect for all its employees, I'm very surprised that they didn't do more to make the episodes secure, such as take them off the servers until closer to airtime (which wouldn't require any change in technology), or password-protect them (which might). Especially for FMA, since its streaming was supposed to have been pulled.

But what really gets me going is that the people who uploaded these files absolutely knew how bad the reaction to the One Piece leak was. There is no question that these files were uploaded to BitTorrent maliciously. If you just want to yuk it up that FUNimation hasn't fixed its security issues, why not just pass around the URL-- giving them the opportunity to then correct the mistake instead of ensuring that the downloads remain viable by taking it out of FUNimation's control? No, this was done specifically to make things difficult for the localizer.

Look, I try to make it a point not to be a preacher or a cop here. If you don't want to be a part of the fun legally, that's your decision. But ruining it for everyone else just because you don't like dubs or didn't like the way XYZ company translated something or because those Dragon Ball fans annoy you? Get a life.
Post by Void_Wizard (735 posts) See mini bio Level 9
G*d d*mn I hope the people doing this get prosecuted to the maximum extent of the law. Also, Funimation is flopping hard with their inability to protect their digital I.P.'s.
Post by DJTyrant (118 posts) See mini bio Level 2
It's not a crime to do it. Civil procecution they may have something. But having your door open makes you partially to blame, the case really would have a hard time getting off the ground.
Post by Kiriska (112 posts) See mini bio Level 2
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Shame on both the hijackers and FUNi at this point. :\
Post by gia (3,032 posts) See mini bio Level 13
@DJTyrant: While it's still closer to 'stealing' than say 'breaking and entering,' the people who shared and downloaded the file via BitTorrent could still theoretically be prosecuted.

But first they have to be FOUND. And then FUNi has to decide that it wants to go through with a lawsuit. No company wants to be the first to sue fans, especially since it's not financially beneficial at all, since fans never have any money and lawsuits are expensive. They may not have a choice this time around though-- the message may be more important.
Post by darkcyder (142 posts) See mini bio Level 8
Huh, I was wondering about that. I've been trying to watch 9 all day (curse you shitty funi player) and I noticed 10 randomly pop up.
Post by ScarletKittie (132 posts) See mini bio Level 16
Something tells me FUNimation's web developers need to take a look at their servers. I'm thinking they probably have some weak passwords for certain areas that can be used as a gateway into the servers. They might also have problems with permissions; I know that having 777 can make files easier to manipulate.

Don't mind me, I'm just speculating. Sucks that this has happened, though.
Post by GodLen (877 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@DJTyrant: it is definitely a crime.
Post by Guet (23 posts) See mini bio Level 7
I have to agree, how hard is it to not upload the episodes until it is time for the stream to start? If the episodes are not loaded, then people can't steal them.

I'm not defending those who are doing this as it is clearly wrong of them, but Funi really should have figured out by now that if they leave the episodes out there, people will try to get at them. Although, in the case of Fullmetal I don't think it's as big of a deal as it already aired in Japan, and better quality torrents have been up since Sunday anyway.
Post by Sigue (860 posts) See mini bio Level 8
...How did they not fix this yet..?
Post by HSaabedra (136 posts) See mini bio Level 4
They've at least disabled FLV downloaders like DownloadHelper from accessing the raw stream, so its a start.  Now all they need to do is actually implement actual workflows for loading episodes via remote VPN before scheduled debut times and that would go a long waty towards ending these issues.

Post by JJOR64 (2,074 posts) See mini bio Level 16
Damn haxers.
Post by yuetheguardian (93 posts) See mini bio Level 7
I say that maybe Funimation has new security measures in place with the one piece statement they said they plan to procecuit I think what if they attached a tracker on the origins of the file? if that possible it would  explain the "leak" and I think they may have fallen for it hook line and sinker.
Post by HeeroYuy (1,210 posts) See mini bio Level 12
Time to chalk up another group of fools to step on with the 60ft robot... *sigh*

I mean seriously, this is stupid. First at the infiltrators (I haven't used the term hacker since the Sarah Palin email incident.... if that was hacking then I must be a computer GOD), for being just general a-holes in pulling a stunt like this when they obviously know the ramifications it could lead to, and secondly at Funimation for most likely having pretty idiotic security on their servers. Seriously, all they need to do is set up a VPN with an external server(s) that's completely unaccessable from outside the immediate network (really it's not all that hard), keep the file(s) on it until it's almost airtime, and then put them on through the VPN. Either that or they could even use an Active Directory style setup and do the same thing...

I mean, unless these people are REALLY REALLY good and REALLY out to get you with an undying passion, it wouldn't be worth their time or effort (assuming they even could) to get through a pretty tough system like that... hell, by the time they could even crack the system, it'd already be at least a week after the airdate anyways, so it wouldn't matter.
Post by nweasel (27 posts) See mini bio Level 4

2 things.

1) I really hate to say this, but we all know it's true: It's the internet, this kind of stuff happens. :(

2) Would you believe that they posted the new episode of FMA:B EARLY?! Yeah, I'm watching it right now. What's going on at FUNi?

Post by TimMaughan (14 posts) See mini bio Level 1
Rightly or wrongly, I think there's a certain part of the anime community that treats Funi with can I say it, suspicion? Mistrust? The fact they threatened certain fansubbing groups with legal action recently will obviously have evoked some immature wrath, plus Funi are dominating the distribution market these days, and the fact they often - for very very understandable commercial reasons - tend to go for the more obvious products has caused some resentment, I think.

Lets also not forget that not ALL of us anime fans live in the US - and if you don't, due to the licences many of the those streams are barred (or so I believe).

None of this is an excuse of course...but it is perhaps a partial explanantion...
Post by NovidAnon (82 posts) See mini bio Level 6
Gia, I keep telling these folks over at Funi. They live in a dream world. These people leaking these episodes are only going to hurt themselves and the fandom. Its time for the Japanese to grow some balls and end this nonsense of being like Crunchyroll because it isn't working and hurting a already hurting business in the process. 
Post by lyth (3 posts) See mini bio Level 1
I don't know, Gia, they certainly didn't ruin anything for me! We haven't seen this kind of industry drama since ANN decided to form the old fansub ethics code after that whole AnimeJunkies x Urban Vision incident. :D
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