Watch & Learn: Gurren Lagann #18

Topic started by No_name_here on Sept. 3, 2010. Last post by Gasero 4 years ago.
Post by No_name_here (856 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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Does it HAVE to be about policy and bureaucracy all the time? Can't they just chill like this?
Does it HAVE to be about policy and bureaucracy all the time? Can't they just chill like this?

It would figure that even a series that’s been lighter and more straightforward than most other anime I’ve seen would still have an entire episode devoted to deep philosophical metaphysics. You really can’t have mecha without it, can you? I do remember a lot of you lunatics telling me to keep my eyes peeled for spirals and their greater significance as I watched. To be honest, I was basically nodding and saying, “Yeah yeah…” Now that it’s fully revealed, the notion definitely has a point. Spirals popped up a lot in this show, and they do pop all the time in nature. This ain't just a bunch of nice-sounding hokey baloney.  

I don’t know what an anti-spiral would be though, especially since their TRON-bots have spirals in their designs. Perhaps they’re supposed to be squares? Is that what GURREN LAGANN has been about this whole time? A covert, but demented, case of geometry edu-tainment like you’d see on SQUARE ONE back in the day? Will Simon be fighting Math-Man next?

By the way, I totally called it about the Spiral King having humanity’s best intentions in mind. Man, I’m good! I’m just on fire with these predictions. The sad thing is, there’s definitely some truth to his philosophy on force being the best kind of persuasion. Also, it’s fitting that the guy would put up a half-hearted resistance against the indomitable will of spiral force (which is a fancier name for Kamina’s manly manliness, I suspect) because he'd grown indifferent. Give anybody 1000 a years of waiting and they’re probably not going to have too much invested in anything after a while - - be it their daughters or saving the world. 

Team Dai Gurren’s got a serious lack of understanding for the grieving process. They’re giving Simon crap about getting bent out of shape over his fiancé disappearing the same way they got on his case about missing Kamina. Sheesh… give the guy a week at least! Also, as much as Rossiu’s getting made to be the “mean old principal” in this, he’s really got a point with most of his policies. He's like the brocoli of Team Dai Gurren. Ugly and bad-tasting, sure, but still good for you.

Watch this episode, “I’ll Make You Tell the Truth of the World” below, decide for yourself and read my comments on the previous episode here.   

  

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Post by mediaright (75 posts) See mini bio Level 5
I don't quite know for how much longer Rossiu has a point with anything. I mean, any man of science will have some logic, but that'll be exhausted soon enough (although he seems more like a Dick Cheney character to me). 
 
This part of the show gets a tad preachy and meta, and some of it is hard to watch for me, but that's how this show operates, and for the better it seems. 
 
Out of everything in this show, I will say that the one thing that never sat quite right with me was the fact that Nia "just happened" to be born who she was to whom she was born to. It's just a bit too farfetched for me, even in the context of how ridiculous this show is. Don't know why, but I never really got over it. 
 
This set of episodes is a slow build, but I love 'em all the same.
Post by SamJaz (12,708 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@mediaright: 
The rule of Gurren Lagann: If nothing mind-blowingly awesome happens that episode, that's because they're taking a run-up for the next one. If nothing happens for two, three episodes running, then book yourself a room at the hospital so they can treat you for the preposterone overdose that will break your soul.
 
Now in general. The theme of spirals is only just starting.  Spiral Power (As it's called in the version I watched), is VERY comparable to the AT-fields of Evangelion. 
 
The AT-Field stands for Absolute Territory, but it can also be read as Absolute Terror. It takes its power from the line that MUST NOT BE CROSSED (shouting to reference the sheer force of this), and it is literally a barrier that prevents anyone from coming closer.
 
Spiral Power is the opposite. The power to bare your soul to the universe, forcing the universe to change after exposure to your soul.  So if the AT-field is the power of fear, Spiral Power is the force of indomitable spirit. While the AT-field takes its shape as hexagons (or octagons, I can't remember), Spiral Power is the Spiral. The Drill.  The show goes onto elaborate on this, and it is amazing just how much the Drill is a metaphor for life, as well as how this show is the complete spiritual opposite of Eva.
 
See, if Shinji Ikari had a Kamina, he would have been useless in an Eva, because the AT-field is your emotional wall. However, Spiral Power is the baring of your soul. The more open you are, the greater your Spiral Power. The more you shut people out, the greater your AT-field.
 
The second Rebuild movie touches on this, when Shinji Ikari drops all his walls in bares his entire soul into one task. It was the moment when the Evangelion fandom stopped taking the piss out of Shinji and he rose into the halls of the great badasses of anime.
 
So, yeah. The power of the wall, or the power of the drill.
 
Also, Anti-Spiral isn't a shape. It's a principle.


Post by sotyfan16 (1,341 posts) See mini bio Level 20

Some surprises still await Tom. I was really shocked with Nia in this and the last ep and it saddened me as I felt Simon needed somehting to go right in his life. The work of the Anti-Spiral is only just beginning as the philosophical meanings take a deeper hold later on.

Post by Theresonlyone (91 posts) See mini bio Level 9
I was shocked by the time skip at first but i liked it overall. I especially liked how everone had a stupidly long job title to show how conceited they had all become in 7 years.
Post by No_name_here (856 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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@Theresonlyone: "  I especially liked how everone had a stupidly long job title to show how conceited they had all become in 7 years."  Ha! Spot-on.
Post by zaldar (1,264 posts) See mini bio Level 15
Wow...this was different.  I am sorry I gave up on this show before...wow talk about a change in tone.  Me like!  @Sam, that is an interesting take on the AT field...never thought about it that way before and will have to see more to see if I agree with it.  Of course I am one of the strange people who only use the original episodes...,
Post by Gasero (167 posts) See mini bio Level 9
Woah, broccoli is the best damn vegetable available on store shelves, and it is delicious. Calm down there, Mr. Pinchuk.
 
The way you rationalized Spiral King's intentions is good. That's kinda how I thought about it. I mean let's face it, the world is overpopulated, but just telling people that is a problem would not make the entirety of society be more careful. You gotta use force to accomplish something like that. I didn't consider that Spiral King's lax resistance could have been a result of him being tired of keeping it up. It would have helped if he would have just come out and told them instead of only being mean and controlling. Sure force helps, but he could have let it be known as well.
 
"Hey, if you people keep reproducing like that we will all die. Just sayin'."
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