would these attacks/hax work on goku=?

Topic started by othus12 on Oct. 22, 2013. Last post by othus12 11 months, 1 week ago.
Post by othus12 (7,002 posts) See mini bio Level 13

1.-hokuto shin ken: hyakuretsu ken (fist of the north star)

2.- the world + blood freeze (JJBA)

3.- iced shell (fairy tail)

4.-particle style (naruto)

5.- yamma's bankai (bleach)

please elaborate why or why not

Post by Sonata (35,424 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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Pretty sure Goku would be affected by the first two he has never shown the ability to control his pressure points or time stoppage. Not sure about the rest.

Post by bigz007 (1,093 posts) See mini bio Level 20

I guess we have to consider Goku's great speed and reaction speedy, for example iced shell takes too much time to charge, and at that time Goku can one shot his opponent.

Let me point out one more hax:

  • Kageroza can create the exact same replicas of his opponents (with some prep time ofc), and plus he can make alterations of created replicas so that he can make them two or ten times stronger/faster etc. Imagine him creating a replica of Goku.
Post by othus12 (7,002 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@bigz007: asuming the attack connects... would those work?

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

4. Particle style - no. Atomic destruction is not some kinda hax that can get past durability.

5. Yama's bankai - most likely yes. Temperature/heat based attacks get past durability to a certain extent. Goku has never shown enough resistance to heat, that he can tank something as hot as the sun.

Dunno about the rest.

Post by othus12 (7,002 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@supernova7005 said:

4. Particle style - no. Atomic destruction is not some kinda hax that can get past durability.

5. Yama's bankai - most likely yes. Temperature/heat based attacks get past durability to a certain extent. Goku has never shown enough resistance to heat, that he can tank something as hot as the sun.

Dunno about the rest.

when has goku shown durability against atomic level destruction?

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@othus12: Its more like vice-versa. ie. when has Atomic destruction been strong enough to hurt someone with planet level durability.

Unlike heat, Atomic destruction is still kinetic energy. it isn't some kinda hax that gets past durability.

Post by phantomrant (1,385 posts) See mini bio Level 10

1. Completely useless. Wouldn't even make Goku budge.

2. Potentially. Probably not.

3. I'm not even going to....

4. If Goku stands absolutely still.

5. Depends on how a 15-million Zanka no Tachi fares against planet-level durability.

Goku with his SSJG power will tank it without a single burn on him.

Post by othus12 (7,002 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@supernova7005: atoms are atoms. sorry but there arent "stronger" atoms. gokus durability comes from his saiyan body which ultimately reflects his durability up to a celular level but no more.

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@othus12: Atoms are of different types, dude. Some atoms are extremely small (like Hydrogen), while some are huge (like Uranium).

Goku is an Alien, so we have no idea what kind of atoms his body is made of. Maybe his atoms are extremely dense, making him durable enough to planet level attacks?

If you're talking about cellular level durability being Goku's limit, you're technically saying Naruto's Rasenshuriken can injure him.

Post by othus12 (7,002 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@supernova7005: all atoms are made up of the same thing just in different proportions. it doesnt really matter, atomic destruction is atomic destruction. my point still stands: atoms are atoms, unless you can prove that goku's atoms are:

1.- made up of something else other than electrons,neutrons and protons (yeah i dont think you can)

2.- goku's atoms are protected like the ones from superman (if so please elaborate how goku would survive an attack like the omega effect)

also im saying goku's body can tank up to a celular level. that statement is correct. and would make him invulnerable to rasen shuriken. goku can tank a planet buster no doubt. atomic destruction is kinda above that.

i dont know if dust release is "hyperbole" but im pretty sure true atomic level destruction such as hungry space would work.

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@othus12: Ki-amping says hi.

DBZ chars can create an extremely efficient defense with their ki, an example of which is Goku blocking Trunks' sword with his finger (something that cut a being with large planet+ dura).

Onoki's particle style hasn't shown the ability to get past ki-barriers. (Keep in mind that ki is energy, not matter)

Post by othus12 (7,002 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@supernova7005: atomic destruction doesnt mess with photons which would be ki. atomic destruction messes up..well atoms. it would bypass the ki barrier.

Post by waybig1010101 (3,313 posts) See mini bio Level 14
 
 
im sure that goku cannot defend against a move that is able to remove whatever it touches out of existence unless ki can be equal to Reiatsu cause in bleach spiritually pressure is basically everything and can be use to defeat hax. 
Post by Stevemagegod (26 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@waybig1010101 said:

im sure that goku cannot defend against a move that is able to remove whatever it touches out of existence unless ki can be equal to Reiatsu cause in bleach spiritually pressure is basically everything and can be use to defeat hax.

Isn't Ki the same thing as Reiatsu though?

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@othus12 said:

atomic destruction doesnt mess with photons which would be ki. atomic destruction messes up..well atoms. it would bypass the ki barrier.

Yes, atomic destruction doesn't destroy or mess with photons, but at the same time it doesn't mean it can get past a ki barrier.

Goku's ki barrier is capable of blocking even physical attacks (ie. atoms again). What makes you think atomic style can get past it, while physical strikes can't?

Post by taichokage (13,601 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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All of them should work except maybe Ice Shell in my opinion.
Post by othus12 (7,002 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@supernova7005: why do you think atomic destruction is kinetic force? elaborate?

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@othus12: Because its 'physical' destruction of atoms. And this requires mechanical/kinetic energy.

If not kinetic force, what else could it be? It's not heat. Its no something like sound either. The only possible form of energy it can be is mechanical.

Post by waybig1010101 (3,313 posts) See mini bio Level 14
@Stevemagegod: ki could be spiritually power which would be in bleach Reiryoku which means spiritually power but reiatsu is spiritually pressure which are two different things that share a relationship 
 
Reiryoku (霊力, Spiritual Power) is a power aligned with the spiritual sensitivity and willpower of the user. It is used by Shinigami and other spiritual beings to provide power for their various abilities. 
 
Reiatsu (霊圧, Spiritual Pressure) is the physical force/pressure that a person’sReiryoku creates when released. Most Shinigami and Arrancar, even Quincy andBounts can manipulate the release of their Reiatsu. 
 
The difference between spiritual pressure and spiritual energy is simple:Reiryoku is the amount of energy a being has stored within their body or soul, whereas Reiatsu is the pressure that a person’s Reiryoku exerts. The difference is much like energy and power. Power being the amount of energy exerted per unit of time. Reiryoku is potential while Reiatsu is energy in use. In general, those with high levels of Reiryoku will often have the highest levels of Reiatsu also. A skilled warrior can overcome a person possessing greater Spirit Energy by possessing greater Spiritual Pressure. This is done by having greater control over their own spirit energy. 
 
 
Ki (気; pronounced "Kee"), also known as chi or simply energy (エネルギー, enerugī), is the force energy used by the Dragon Ball characters. This force also bears some realistic tendencies being that it is "used" in the real life martial arts, such as Kung Fu and Tai Chi
  
KI is enegry which means that is more like Reiryoku rather than Reiatsu. But again i am not 100% sure since theses are two different verses. 
 

 
 
 

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