Spring 2013 Roundtable - Gargantia, Titan, and Flower

Topic started by takashichea on Sept. 11, 2013. Last post by Sonata 1 year, 5 months ago.
Post by takashichea (16,027 posts) See mini bio Level 25

Welcome to the roundtable on the three most popular shows last spring, Attack on Titan, Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet, and Flowers of Evil. The discussion occurred on July 14, 2013. At first, I announced that there was a roundtable discussion on Gargantia over at Aleasha's XAT chatroom. Though, we had two visitors who didn't watch Gargantia, so I had to change questions and pretty much the whole topic. Don't worry, there are no spoilers.

I wish we had more time to discuss which of three shows are the best of spring 2013. You guys and gals can voice your opinions. If you don't agree with three choices above, drop a comment on what show was the best in spring 2013.

Taka: Why did you try Gargantia?

Acura Max: I heard good things from other people.

Did Mechs really got Sonata into Gargantia?
Did Mechs really got Sonata into Gargantia?

Taka: When I was working on the trailers, this one stood out to me. Plus, Acura Max Max was hyping it as one of the big hits of the season. He got me into the mech genre back in Fall 2012 with Robotics;Notes.

Acura Max: It’s what I do.

Sonata: I tried Gargantia mostly because I do like mecha animes, and it had some elements that reminded me of Gurren Lagann.

Taka: Oh Gurren Lagann! I just tried it back in May when Crunchyroll had it simulcast.

Acura Max: I only saw the first episode of that series and it seems like a different animal from Gargantia.

Taka: Gurren Lagann is more action packed while Gargantia is like a slice of life mech soap show. Both cover mech and fan service. Not to spoiled folks, Gargantia had less deaths than Gurren Lagann. More manly tears were shed in Gurren Lagann.

Sonata: You would have to watch Gurren Lagann further. I agree with Taka.

Enters ZombiePie

Sonata: What did everyone think of the overall visuals and animation of Gargantia?

Ridiculous Neon Colors in Gargantia
Ridiculous Neon Colors in Gargantia

ZombiePie: It’s the sugar free candy in a pharmacy. You don’t necessarily want to eat it, but you noticed all of your friends were eating it for health reasons… so you started eating it also. Now, you have cancer.

Acura Max: Well, a certain store is going to get sued now. I wouldn’t say so. The visuals in the first 10 minutes of the series were pretty nice.

Taka: Gargantia’s visuals were better on Earth than out in space.

ZombiePie: All I will say about the visuals is that some of the neon color filters this show has are too ridiculous. For some reason most sci-fi animes utilize pink and red for their primary colors foreground and background when in space. That's the case more than often with Gargantia, and I still kind of don't like it.

Enters Dream

Since Dream hasn’t watch Gargantia, the discussion shifts into Flowers of Evil.

Flowers of Evil's controversial use of Rotoscoping
Flowers of Evil's controversial use of Rotoscoping

Taka: What did you think about rotoscoping and how did that work out for you in Flowers of Evil?

Acura Max: I wasn’t too bothered with it. It was shocking at first, but you get used to it.

Dream: I thought the rotoscoping worked well for the series. Allowed it to stick out from many titles thanks to the animation style and made it more unsettling as we seen Takao’s mental breakdown from his unique predicament.

ZombiePie: I actually really like and enjoy the works of Ralph Bakshi, and as a result had no problems with it.

Dream: I’ve read up on rotoscoping being considered somewhat controversial as an animation style.

ZombiePie: The look makes the characters creepier which help the series with its subject matter.

Taka: I admit it was kind of ugly when I looked at the screencaps. It makes this anime stand out. It’s not for everyone.

Dream: Obviously, if you seen early impressions of the show coming from MyAnimeList.net

Acura Max: I heard they down voted the series based on the first episode.

Dream: They did, quite badly.

ZombiePie: Rotoscoping is a pain to do. You essentially record actual people acting out scenes and then go back to the film and paint the film cells to look like an animated cartoon.

Attack on Titan's Animation Issues
Attack on Titan's Animation Issues

Taka: Well, I seen the discussion we had in Anime Vice. Auron570 shared that folks dropped it for the prettier manga counterpart. To me, story matters more than animation. Attack on Titan’s animation has been worsening due to budget issues that RubberLuffy and YotaruVegeta had pointed out.

Dream: Depends on the title I see. If action is main focus, then I’d expect great focus on quality animation. Otherwise, if it’s another genre, not too much of a big deal form.

ZombiePie: Well with Attack on Titan, I find the really harsh outlining to be incredibly off-putting.

Dream: I need to jump off. Got stuff to do.

Exit Dream

Taka: I haven’t watch Flowers of Evil. That was the only non spoiler question I can think of. Now since we talking about the three hits of this season, which series stood out of the three? Just to tie up the discussion.

Acura Max: Gargantia since I finished it. Then again, I only finish a series when I do the wiki for it.

ZombiePie: I think I enjoyed Gargantia more than I’m willing to admit.

Taka: I have only seen Gargantia and ATT. I say Flowers of Evil is more of a dark horse. It serves another niche. ATT has one of the best first episodes of the spring season, but it runs out of steam. Even though ATT hasn’t ended yet, Gargantia did better for me personality. ATT has one of the best first episode, but it runs out of steam.

Sonata: To me, it has to be Attack on Titan. It has captivated the average anime fan. Tons of memes have started to emerge on the web. I would recommend it to people who haven’t really watched anime before.

ZombiePie: Is creating memes really a stamp of quality?

Taka: Let me rephrase it, Gargantia did better within the first 12 episodes than Attack on Titan. It’s a shame that Attack on Titan was bogged down by its monthly manga and inner monologues.

Acura Max: I would say that memes indicates that it is more popular.

ZombiePie: Oh I don’t know, I thought the conclusion for Attack on Titan was really interesting when you stop and think about it.

Taka: Popularity doesn’t equal quality but the popular shows will get more views. Attack on Titan succeeds that way. Underrated series like Flowers of Evil and Shin Sekai Yori have better stories. It doesn’t have a lot of hype compared to Attack on Titan and Sword Art Online.

Acura Max: You know what they say, quality does not always dictate popularity.

ZombiePie: And there are a lot of scenes in Attack on Titan that are just cheesy. Like Barey Manilow in a vat of nacho cheese cheesy.

Acura Max: They have nacho cheese? Suddenly being attacked by giants is not so bad.

Acura Max: What did you think of the ending?

ZombiePie: Then, my issue with Flowers of Evil is this. It’s still just three kids, convinced that they are more than they are and that their problems are bigger than they really are. It doesn’t come across as meaningful, just pathetic as people get exploited and taken advantage of. With that I have to go.

Exits ZombiePie

Acura Max: Well, I thought Gargantia’s theme was a little too simplistic. I already know that not thinking is bad.

Taka: The ending was pretty mild for a Gen Urobuchi show. I expected a high death count, but it was a mild ending with a platonic relationship instead of a romantic one. It didn’t really tie in the whole economic message that Urobuchi had stated. It’s pretty loose.

Sonata: If this was about which anime had the better opening theme song, Attack on Titan would be the one without any question.

Sonata: So far we’ve discussed 3 of the top spring anime of this year. I think we should rap it up with what we expect from the summer line up. And if you are currently watching the title, have they met your expectations.

Acura Max: Considering I went into Gargantia expecting it was a harem show, my expectations weren’t really high. So yeah, Gargantia did surpass them.

Taka: I only watched 5 shows: Danganronpa, Silver Spoon, Sunday without God, Free, and Dog & Scissor. Free and Dog & Scissor wasn’t that bad. I enjoyed them. Dog was bizarre but it filled Severing Crime Edge’s role while Free filled in Utapri’s.

Sonata: Eh I think the summer has been pretty even with the spring, Makai Ouji has surprised me, and Danganronpa is as entertaining as expected. Blood Lad may be this years’ Binbougami Ga!

Post by cynically_happy (115 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Glad to see the discussions are back, I always enjoyed them.

Post by Sonata (36,247 posts) See mini bio Level 20

That was a fun discussion we had, can't wait till we have another one:)

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