Zoom vs Goku

Topic started by TheManipulater on June 3, 2010. Last post by Sonata 3 years, 9 months ago.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@TheManipulater: Supes only survived that due to help from the source. Freeza is more durable than Supes, Goku is far more durable, and has a much higher destructive output.
Post by Manami (1,487 posts) See mini bio Level 14
@hitsusatsu11:  Freeza more durable than Supes!? I dont think so Planets have blown up Supes face count-less times he has flown right into the core of the sun with no difficulty. Freeza gets sliced in half by an Energy disk, no way that could have destroyed Namek.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Manami: Well actually current supes gets knocked out by moonbusters, he survived two planets colliding by intervention from the source. Freeza was already half dead and survived the planet Namek's destruction. So yes, Freeza is more durable.
Post by Manami (1,487 posts) See mini bio Level 14
@hitsusatsu11: Yet he still gets sliced by his own attack!? Hmmm it also shows that his reaction time isnt that great as well everthough he is a planet buster.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Manami: His reaction time is excellent, he was simply outclassed by a superior SSJ Goku. 
 
Like it or not Freeza: 
 
-Is a planet buster, even in first form 
-can tank a planets destruction even while half dead
Post by Manami (1,487 posts) See mini bio Level 14
 @hitsusatsu11: Not really why did he get cut by his own attack. However Zoom still wins this fight since he is moving outside of the normal timestream, which means he wont see Zoom coming unless he can move outside the timestream himself which he can not. That scan posted earlier is about as clear as it gets of how his powers work, Even The Flash with power of the other Flashes still saw Zoom as a blur. 
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Manami: He got cut by his own attack because he was wrapped up in his fight with Goku, and Goku lead the attack to him, simple right? Goku wins this fight because he is massively stronger, immensely more destructive, and a far better fighter. Shunkan Ido is faster than Zoom, it is INSTANT and if you want to use movie definition it is outside of "time stream" as well. Zoom is fast but actually kind of weak. His destructive power lacks the omph to dent Son Goku. So what if Flash sees Zoom as a blur? Goku was seen as a blur and even was invisible by/to humans even with a third eye and even by Vegeta's saiyan eyes early on in the show. Zoom is fast im not saying hes not, but really he loses this simply. Goku IT's 50 feet in the air, destroys the planet and however much more of the celestial neighborhood he feels like, then IT's to the after life to have dinner with Kaiosama.
Post by Manami (1,487 posts) See mini bio Level 14
@hitsusatsu11: Time Manipulation>>>Instant If time stops how can you move. Goku will just be like those people in scans statues in Zooms eyes. Zoom lacking power in his blows are also false Seeing as he is able to knock around Superman he can gather the necessary force. Even Wonder Woman has said his blow feel like Supermans, No one in DBZ has the physical power of Superman, so goku has never been hit with the kind of Force Zoom can deliver. You will have to really understand how fast The Flash is to fully appreciate what Zoom can do.
Post by Manami (1,487 posts) See mini bio Level 14
@Nekron said:
" Unless Goku is starting up in the sky, is acting completely out of character, and Zoom has no idea that he's in a fight. Then Goku loses. "
Those are the only three ways Goku has a chance of survival really.
Post by Fantasma (360 posts) See mini bio Level 7
@Manami said:
" @Nekron said:
" Unless Goku is starting up in the sky, is acting completely out of character, and Zoom has no idea that he's in a fight. Then Goku loses. "
Those are the only three ways Goku has a chance of survival really. "
Don't waste your time, with some DBZ fans you just can't have a logical argument or debate.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Manami: Well actually DBZ have far greater attack power than Supes or WW, even in punching. As seen Gotenks punch creates a greater impact than Supes, even though supes punch had the advantage of gravity adding to the velocity.  And ya time stoppers, how will the Z senshi survive??Guild cough cough. I understand how fast the flash is, not instantly fast, like IT. If Zoom is sooo fast in combat how come WW roped up like a baby calf? You expect me to believe Zoom can kill goku (with his weak attacks, weaker than Roshi's moonbusting at the beginning of DB) before Goku flys or IT's up 50 feat and destroys everything, including Zoom? Not gonna happen.
 









Post by Manami (1,487 posts) See mini bio Level 14
@hitsusatsu11: You do realize that Superman Punched Wonder Woman all the way from the Suns Surface. As I said earlier WW lasso is forged from the Gods.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Manami: Yes, so with a blodlusted supes punching WW as hard as he can, with the added velocity due to re entry, it still causes less impact than Gotenks punching Buu down from like 50 feet in the air. Judging by simple physics this means Gotenks punch has many times more force in it. 
Post by Manami (1,487 posts) See mini bio Level 14
 @hitsusatsu11: Now your judging crater damage, if thats the case Cell is not really a Solar System buster since the crater he left behind wasn't as big as a solar system.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Manami: Incorrect. Cell's blast collided with a beam of equal or greater magnitude, all it's energy went into fighting Gohan's, it lost and what tiny energy Gohan's blast had left dissipated. In my above examples we have two characters doing the same feat of strength/punching power. Supes (who is hypnotized into being bloodlusted) punches WW as hard as he can through orbit, gaining velocity through re entry, and makes a smaller impact than Gotenks who punches Buu from 50 ish feet in the air, while fooling around. These scans contain no trace of PIS and are virtually a side by side comparison, proving Gotenks punch>>>Supes punch. Of course also the Z senshi's trademark is energy blasts, which are capable of power greater than any attack Supes or Zoom can dream of dishing out. 
 
Roshi's attack at the begining of DB>>>>>Any attack zoom can do, prove me wrong. 
Post by TheManipulater (725 posts) See mini bio Level 10
looks like fanboy day came early this year, goku is not faster than zoom OR stronger than zoom(zoom hits harder than superman) zoom solos the whole DBZ cast read a comic book every now and than you sound like a goku fanboy its not a good quality, i suppose you guys think goku is more stronger than supes? i suppose you guys think goku is faster than supes? i suppose you guys think goku is more durable than supes? WELL HE'S NOT!!!!! GOKU IS NOT A GOD ANIME VICE!!!!! SUPERMAN FLYS THROUGH SUPER FRIGGIN NOVAS AND ZOOM PUNCHED HIM OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by TheManipulater (725 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@hitsusatsu11 said:
" @Manami: He got cut by his own attack because he was wrapped up in his fight with Goku, and Goku lead the attack to him, simple right? Goku wins this fight because he is massively stronger, immensely more destructive, and a far better fighter. Shunkan Ido is faster than Zoom, it is INSTANT and if you want to use movie definition it is outside of "time stream" as well. Zoom is fast but actually kind of weak. His destructive power lacks the omph to dent Son Goku. So what if Flash sees Zoom as a blur? Goku was seen as a blur and even was invisible by/to humans even with a third eye and even by Vegeta's saiyan eyes early on in the show. Zoom is fast im not saying hes not, but really he loses this simply. Goku IT's 50 feet in the air, destroys the planet and however much more of the celestial neighborhood he feels like, then IT's to the after life to have dinner with Kaiosama. "
that is just precious lmao are you saying that goku has more duribility than supes? just say it please...please im begging you just say it
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Notice in the WW vs Zoom scans, Zoom doesn't instantly kill her? If he fought like that with Goku, it would be simple for Goku to fly up and planet bust, then IT to the afterlife for dinner. And please do not say Zoom one hit KO on Goku, since guys like Freeza tank exploding planets while half dead and no one can prove Zoom attacks as hard as Roshi, the womanizing moonbuster. 
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@TheManipulater: Say what Goku is more durable than Supes? Its confirmed. Supes gets knocked out by a moonbusting attack, Roshi produces a moonbusting attack. Easy to understand right? I already proved Gotenks punches harder than supes. 
 



Roshi destroys the moon surely this wouldn't hurt supes, wait, was supes just knocked out destroying a moon? Guess Roshi can knock him out then. 

Post by TheManipulater (725 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@hitsusatsu11 said:

" Notice in the WW vs Zoom scans, Zoom doesn't instantly kill her? If he fought like that with Goku, it would be simple for Goku to fly up and planet bust, then IT to the afterlife for dinner. And please do not say Zoom one hit KO on Goku, since guys like Freeza tank exploding planets while half dead and no one can prove Zoom attacks as hard as Roshi, the womanizing moonbuster.  "

zoom would one shot goku, zoom holds back cause he wants to make people better heroes if you actually read a comic with him in it at all you would know this. zoom beats down superman who has higher duribility than goku will ever have. he is faster than the flash and  can go as fast as he wants to go. he is already faster than goku by default when goku goes so fast that he can go back in time let me kno mkay. but zoom wins easily.goku has nowere near the speed or reaction time. if goku had the speed he would of saved gohan and  the others from dying when the earth exploded zoom could have done that 100 times over cause he's that fast but whatever keep ignoring facts goku is only faster than light vi IT which he wont get a chance to use in this fight due to no reaction time.
 
good night, i will debate about this later
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