Who do you think is faster?

Topic started by Hakimiko on March 5, 2012. Last post by Kobra678 1 year, 1 month ago.
Post by Hakimiko (10 posts) Level

Cast your vote

Once you make your selection the rest of the community's votes will appear.
  • Flash
  • Sonic
  • Superman
  • The Runner
  • Goku
  • Road Runner
  • Speedy Gonzales
  • Zoom
Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

@Kraden: IT isn't speed.

Also Goku needs to consciously activate IT which takes a few seconds. In those seconds, The Runner, Zoom and Flash would have already raced through the entire universe.


Post by Killer_of_trolls (1,563 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@Newdeath: nah, I don't beleive his power can be cansidered a "volocity". he is basically slowing everyone else while going in speed accecible to me and you.

Post by Acer. (137 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@Kraden said:

Two words... Instant Transmition

One word repeated......Meep Meep xP
Post by DJSNuva1 (3,347 posts) See mini bio Level 11

TF makes Speedy and Road Runner the fastest. Then Zoom, then Flash, then The Runner, then Superman, then Sonic. It also depends upon which version of these characters we are talking about.

Post by Iju (297 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@Kraden said:

Two words... Instant Transmition

LOL!!!!!!! thats true..so true. but sonic has chaos control, so....

@Newdeath: you dont understand. i guess i have to break it down for you

@justanormalguy: and you.

now, lookie here. before i go on, i would once again like to go onto Death.

ok, you put everything i say down into the ground, but everything you say, im supposed to listen to? i dont think so. you put up nothing about flash going through time and going "500x faster than light" WITHOUT the speed force mind you. last time i check, it was NOT "speed force vs sonic and etc", it was the flash ALONE vs sonic and etc. how come everyone else has to start off with their speed, but flash has all this "speed force" help? if you want to add the speed force, then everyone else will have nothing to do but follow suit to make the race more fair. this means that goku can instant trans miss (and trans miss, mind you, can travel to GALAXIES.) or even FLY instead of running, sonic has the wisps AND chaos emeralds, which give sonic an infinite supply of speed. and when i say infinite, i MEAN infinite. also, speedy and RR will have to apply their cartoon physics. and cartoon physics have the power to do literally ANYTHING. that one change you want to add to flash will change the whole race. are you sure you want to do this? and if you agree to add everything to the race thinking that even the wisps and chaos emeralds STILL wont match up with flash's speed, you are ever so wrong.

so now, i am speaking to the both of you. i will ask both of you 2 questions.

1. what does "the fastest thing alive" mean to you? im curious. flash says proudly says that he is the "fastest man alive" DC even says quite firmly that flash is too. dont lie to me. i even looked flash up in a DC encyclopedia, and it said that.

2. what is flash's highest point in speed without the speed force?

also, i would like to point out that being faster than light is really not impressive. sonic can JOG at light speed, and then DASH above it for fun. the speed of light is like a no brainer in the sonic universe. even SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG can do it. even 500x times wont match up to it, because guess what? the chaos emeralds have limitless power. if sonic taps into it, the speed at what sonic can reach is unthinkable. not even 7 million. not even 130 trillion. not even the highest number anyone can think of, because sonic is infinitely faster than that number. he himself doesnt know. his speed is unwrap able to the mind. i think i can wrap my mind around "500x faster". the limit to flash's speed is self explanatory. 500x. sonic would probably have a mental break down from laughing so hard if flash told him thats how fast he can run. sonic can SNEEZE faster than that.

sonic can go SO fast that, indeed, instead of ESCAPING a black hole, sonic can BE a black whole. and this is in base form here. using the wisps, he can spin around so fast that he activates black hole abilities. tell me---no---SHOW me when flash made a black hole because of his speed.

here is the proof, right here. what you you guys got?

Sonic Wikia: http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(character)#Abilities

" Omega also stated in Sonic Colors (DS) that with Sonic's current progress, he would surpass the speed of light."

and we dont even know by how much. and this in sonic's regular mode, with sonic not even trying.

the violet wisp:

"Turns Sonic into a black hole that will suck in enemies and rings."


so get back to me when you have enough proof, and with both of your ideas on what the fastest thing alive means to you.

otherwise, no, i will not "deal with it", and in this case, sonic wins.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,622 posts) See mini bio Level 12

The fastest thing alive means that he is the fastest thing alive.....in his own universe. When compared against people from other universes that statement becomes invalid.

I get what you mean by saying without the SpeedForce Flash wouldn't be as fast as he is but in the DC Universe the SpeedForce is like air. It's always there, you can't just get rid of it.

"The Speed Force is an energy field that grants all speedsters their power. Several speedsters have merged with it, including Barry Allen, Johnny Quick, and Max Mercury." From DC wiki.

By taking away the SpeedForce you're effectively taking Flash's abilities. The SpeedForce is the source of the Flash's powers. It's like taking away all of Sonic's abilities like Lightspeed Dash. The chaos emeralds and wisps are something separate altogether because they are an accessory kind of item. You need to collect them first before you can use them. I also follow Sonic and I have not come across anything that suggested that Super Sonic's speed was infinite anyway.

"Barry Allen is the very source and creator of the Speed Force,and generates it with every step he takes." From DC Wiki. There you go. He created the Speed Force, it is him. You can't take the Speed Force away from him in this battle because then you might as well take Sonic's speed away from him.

"Sonic is known best for his speed, with the ability to run at speeds greater than Mach 1 (known from Sonic X), which is at the blistering speed of 768 miles per hour. This is evident in many games, where Sonic is recorded to run at speeds faster than 765 mph. In Sonic Unleashed, the checkpoint posts (Star Posts) also act as radars that clock Sonic's speed when he passes them. Due to the fact that his speed increases the longer he's boosting, it's possible for the checkpoint posts to show Sonic's max speed in-game, being able to clock him going at over 2,500 mph. It is also stated in the Sonic Adventure DX manual that "He's the world's fastest, hypersonic hedgehog" which is at a staggering speed of 3,840 mph." From the link you provided.

How long does Sonic stay in Spinball mode? From all the games I've played it's usually a few seconds before he slows back down. It was said he Sonic might be faster than Lightspeed in the future but at present he is not. Even if he was it ludicrous to even imagine he would go from being near Lightspeed to several times Lightspeed in just a short amount of time. That's quite a massive gap in speed.

In conclusion I'm basically saying you can't take the Speedforce away from Flash because he is the Speedforce. I'm also saying you can't really use wisps and chaos emeralds in this battle because they are items, not an actual ability. Even if you do use them, Superman escaped from a blackhole and as far as I know it has never been stated that Super Sonic's speed is infinite.

Post by justanormalguy (270 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@Iju: Flash is a speedster connected to the Speed Force. Your statements and questions make no sense. Do you hear yourself? That's like saying McDonalds is the same without Big Macs. No. The Speed Force is what grants Flash his speed. That's it. Get over it. That's how it is. He is the fastest being in the universe. Runner is faster than Sonic. Zoom is faster than Sonic(well, not really "faster" per say, but Sonic would never beat Zoom in a race competition simply because Zoom wouldn't let him do anything. Lol.). The Speed Force has granted the Flash to outrun Death, go back in time... I mean, I don't understand why you are getting so mad over this? The Flash wins. Lol. Stop getting so mad.

You mad bro?
You mad bro?

@ohgodwhy said:

I get what you mean by saying without the SpeedForce Flash wouldn't be as fast as he is but in the Marvel Universe the SpeedForce is like air. It's always there, you can't just get rid of it.

Something about that was addressed in the Marvel/DC crossover. He had like a Speed Force pack that kept him connected to it. Without it, Quicksilver smoked him.

I'm not too knowledgeable about instances with the Flash without the Speed Force. Makes no sense that he could run at light-speed without it.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,622 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@justanormalguy: I meant DC lol, I usually only follow Marvel and got confused. I'll edit my post.

Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19

@Iju: Sonic can't jog at the speed of light. Like I said, show me Sonic doing something as impressive as escaping two black holes, something that even Superman did. If he can't even do that then there's no way in hell that he's faster than Flash, The Runner or Zoom or even Superman LOL


Post by FalconC2 (379 posts) See mini bio Level 9

The Flash, definitely; specifically the Kingdom Come version of the Flash who basically moved so fast the he became omnipresent, and existed on several dimensions at once. If I remember correctly.

Post by Sonata (36,247 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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This thread has been pretty funny. But I wonder why the OP used the slowest Looney Tunes characters 
The man from the draft board crushes them both lol 
The man from the draft board crushes them both lol 
Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

But Road runner creates his own dimension and can pass through a painted wall :o

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Also.. Speedy is faster than the flash :o

It's actually not instant xD it's 592 lightyears in a second ( he explained to trunks)

Post by taichokage (17,184 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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The biggest debate seems to be which characters are actually using speed alone and not some other power. But in truth almost everyone here uses some other power besides their muscles or flight. Zoom manipulates time to account for his "speed", the Flash uses the power of the speed force which is non exististant in other universes, the Runner at his best uses the infinity gem, The Road Runner uses a toon force version of reality warping and as stated can even run on imaginary paths, it is similar for Speedy Gonzalez, Goku uses instant transmission for his max speed, and Sonic uses chaos emeralds to go faster than his usual supersonic self. Honestly the only one who normally uses nothing but his muscles and/flight to move as fast as he does is Superman. Obviously that is not the conclusion that most people are looking for though. So including all their haxes and accounting only how long it takes them to get from point A to point B, It is obvious that at their best Zoom and the Runner are the fastest among everyone. Road Runner and Speedy Gonzales really are t fast compared to anyone else here. It's true that they can remove any barrier they need to to get to their destinations but they have no feats off of earth. If you look at how fast they truly go they never appear to go faster than super sonic speeds even if they are capable of going faster. After the Runner and Zoom, next would be Flash for obvious reasons. Then Goku if you account for IT as speed, but only over a tremendous distance because the time it takes him to focus even briefly, almost everyone else would already be there. Between Superman and Super Sonic, it's unclear to me but they should be of similar speed. And really, with actual speed feats of distance covered in a time, Road Runner and Speedy Gonzales are last, with Speedy Gonzales being dead last. Between Zoom and the Runner, I would have to say the Runner is the fastest because of the tremendous power of the gems. If speed is the game then the gem delivers. Even Thanos remarked that he had never witnessed such astounding speed. The description of the power gem is limitless power to whatever the user utilizes it for. Even those that travel through hyperspace and this to some extent are time manipulates, could not compare to the Runner's speed.
Post by DBZ_universe (15,960 posts) See mini bio Level 17

This is the Fastest... this guy will own every speedster in fiction...

Post by Raseri (2,534 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@taichokage: The Runner and Speedy Gonzales don't have any high-scale toonforce feats that would make them faster than anyone here. If we count Zoom's power as speed and Goku's IT as speed then the list would be:

  1. Zoom (Using his time-related powers to make all FTL movers in JLA look like statues)
  2. Flash (Capable of moving at infinite speeds, even breaking free of time)
  3. The Runner (Made SS who moves through the entire universe in less than a second look slow)
  4. Goku (Because IT is supposedly instant but he'll still need to consciously activate the ability)
  5. Superman (Has massive FTL feats of escaping from inside two simultaneous black holes)
  6. Sonic
  7. RR
  8. Speedy

But if we don't count IT and Zoom's power as speed then the list would be:

  1. Flash
  2. The Runner
  3. Superman
  4. Sonic (He has legitimate light-speed feats to be above Goku)
  5. Goku (while he isn't light-speed under his own body's speed, he's still fast enough to be at 5th, even if he was light-speed, the issue would be the same)
  6. RR
  7. Speedy
  8. Zoom (If we don't count time-manipulation as speed he's the slowest because physically he is human)
Post by Sonata (36,247 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@DBZ_universe said:

This is the Fastest... this guy will own every speedster in fiction...

LOL nah he just has alot of family members:P 
The Man from the draft board with his speed Beat Daffy Duck all the way to hell.
Post by DBZ_universe (15,960 posts) See mini bio Level 17

@Sonata: lol... how much family does must he have??

Yes the man from the draft board is insane...

Post by robertsmith (3 posts) See mini bio Level 3

alright alot of you guys know nothing about sonic the hedgehog. I will tell you how fast he is, I will show you that he is easily faster than the speed of light. Now this is gonna be alot so really listen closely.

Sonic the Hedgehog, on average, is known to run faster than the speed of sound. sonic could instantly accelerate faster than the speed of sound with ease as shown in sonic x episode 1.

in sonic unleashed the checkpoints posts. also act as radars that clock Sonic's speed when he passes them. which clocked his fastest speed of being able to go over 2,500 mph.

It is also stated in the Sonic Adventure DX manual that ''He's the world's fastest, hypersonic hedgehog'' which is at a staggering speed of 3,840 mph.

Sonic can move at the speed of light. as shown in Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes and in sonic generations. In those games sonic has specific light speed set of moves. the light speed dash and light speed attack.

Since Sonic Heroes, he can perform the light attack fast and didn't need to charge anymore. for the dash, he no longer needs to charge as of sonic adventure 2.

The Light Speed Dash returns in Sonic Generations as one of Modern Sonic's normal abilites.

in Sonic CD Using his unrivaled speed, Sonic managed to travel through time and ensure a good future for the Little Planet. And that was him in his no

Omega also stated in Sonic Colors (DS) that with Sonic's current progress, he would surpass the speed of light.''

in the Archie Comics. in the early going, Sonic outraced shadows and was faster than light.

he could also vibrate his molecules to slip threw solid objects.

In Hyper Sonic #134: Something about 2 missiles on opposite ends of continents about to hit. He pushed himself to his extreme limit, and really straned himself, entering a realm where time was stopped. He then proceeded to take out the threats in no time. After this, he had trouble getting out of this accelerated mode and was nearly stuck permemantly , until he found how to slow himself down to get out of it.

sonic has different forms of speed, regular, super, ultra, hyper, sonic can also hit warp zones and use chaos control (with an emerald).

Chaos Control :

CC is a completelydifferent level, you could "try" assigning a speed to a few of the times they use it in certain ways, but not really.

For STARTS , CC allows teleporting,warping of space and time,generally anything related to what i just mentioned(like timetravel and dimension hopping) so... seriously? a measure of speed? lol.

Super Sonic transformation- Super Sonic enhances his speed- that's all they officially say about him. What's he's performed in feats-he's faster than light without effort, and doesn't strain to go faster at all. Sonic X- in Sonic X he travels through time and space -under his own power.

Archie gave Super Sonic some feats such as crossing the planet in under a second(Super Sonic's first archie fight), but...not much .

He did avoid a black hole, but it's not that impressive, though physics says you must be FTL to escape those.(as if Super Sonic could have been hurt anyway.

Sonic Shuffle:

Super Sonic's Sonic Rumble move- he dashes with afterimages behind him, up to a opponent, seems to do nothing, then just instantly appears where he started ,and then a glowing haze forms where he was at,caused from attacking X enemy numerous times at such a speed; it was a "delayed effect".

Finishing up: The archie feat lets him move at anywhere in no time- which equates to infinite speed due to that factor. And that was him in his BASE form.

He could just use CC and 'time stop' to get that^ or externally, seriously Stop Time for all, (Sonic X), but he prefers his speed over CC.

I just showed good evidence sonic the hedgehog is way beyond light speed.

Post by Sonata (36,247 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@DBZ_universe:  He had 10 family members altogether. At the begin of the race Cecil and Bugs make a $10 dollar bet. When the race was over Bugs payed Cecil in one dollar bills, then Cecil split the cash and gave each Turtle a dollar each.
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