Who can defeat Misogi Kumagawa?

Topic started by Haiken on March 29, 2014. Last post by Prim4te 5 months, 2 weeks ago.
Post by Haiken (1,045 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Power Range should be Universal at most.. Universal+ not allowed

He has the ability to undo almost anything, and that's just one of his abilities.. So are there guys at Universal power range who could defeat him?

Post by Haiken (1,045 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Any Ideas?

Post by LHWKnight (2,733 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Izayoi Sakamaki

Code: Unknown - Not much is known about his ability, even the gift card, a fragment of Laplace categorized his ability as Unknown. Despite this, he seems to know his power well, being able to gauge whether or not he can take an opponent on. It is shown that his ability grants him a boost in power and possibly perception (He was able to detect the Fores Garo operatives sneaking on the premises as well as Leticia whenever she was trying to hide her presence). Even his speed is increased greatly (equalling Black Rabbit's). He can defeat a water god with ease, deflect a lance attack from the weakened Leticia, stop a sword attack from the Perseus leader with one finger and defeat the Kraken and Graea. According to Jin, he can not only cancel gifts, but destroy them. According to Black Rabbit, he has the gift to destroy the heavens and the earth, and the power to destroy gifts simultaneously.

It was once hinted by Black Percher that his gift is able to destroy other gifts. (Possibly Repel also)

In volume 3, his ability was described as the ability to destroy stars when he talks about his life with Leticia.

Canaria stated that if his gift were to be given a name, it'd be 'Last future of Embryo'.

Aurora Pillar - power that revolves around creating light construct in the shape of small pillar which then enlarges to the point of reaching sky, he then swings it at his enemy. This is the true manifestation of Izayoi's power to destroy Gifts. He used it only three times: to destroy pocket dimension, to destroy strongest species and in his fight against Azi Dahaka - their clash reduced Volcano to nothing more than subatomic particles. Highness described it as a "Another Cosmology" a secret of Gods to construct their "universe.

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Post by taichokage (13,256 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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Giorno Giovanna. He has an auto reset ability at the scale of the universe and it reverts everything to 0 including space/time. It's not possible to overcome unless your influence is greater than universal scale.
Post by phantomrant (1,342 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@Haiken said:

Power Range should be Universal at most.. Universal+ not allowed

Him being at universal level is nigh-impossible, looking at the feats of characters stronger than him.

Pretty much anyone who works at a level higher above what Kumagawa can affect, any planet busters, and many hax'ers can defeat him. I'll throw in Kamui, as being sent to another dimension doesn't seem like something could get out of. He can make the dimension nothing, but he'll still be in the void.

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Also Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann since it's size would be too big for Kumagawa to reject I would think, plus it has probability alteration and can attack in the past.
Post by LHWKnight (2,733 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@phantomrant: Yeah I don't know who made that up, but I have read the entire manga of Medaka box and I can tell you that him being even remotely universal is BS.

Post by Zerogodlike (1,224 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@LHWKnight:

we have been through this a star level character cant beat him unless izayoi has gotten new feats of a higher scale?

Post by LHWKnight (2,733 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@Zerogodlike: And I have told yo multiple times that He has yet to have any Universe feats, whatsoever and they was a chapter where it even shows that him getting scared of a star casually exploding, which Izayoi does with one punch or kick.

Post by Zerogodlike (1,224 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@LHWKnight said:

@Zerogodlike: And I have told yo multiple times that He has yet to have any Universe feats, whatsoever and they was a chapter where it even shows that him getting scared of a star casually exploding, which Izayoi does with one punch or kick.

Show where it says he was scared. i know you like your characters but you have to admit when they lose.

Post by Haiken (1,045 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Since Universal level seems to be too much.. How about we go to Galaxy level?

Post by LHWKnight (2,733 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@Zerogodlike:

The look on his face said that he was horrified.

Post by Zerogodlike (1,224 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@LHWKnight said:

@Zerogodlike:

The look on his face said that he was horrified.

At that time He had the deteriorated version of all fiction at that time also in that chapter ajium gave him hundred gauntlets back which made his all fiction go back to full power where he could erase everything again that scene didn't disprove anything ajium has a skill that can create universes i don't see him being scared of her as a bad feat.

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Enrico pucci

Lihiko shishime

Dark schneider

Eucliwood

Post by LHWKnight (2,733 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@Zerogodlike: Never said it was a bad feat, all I said was that it disproves that he is universal, All fiction is at full potency, but it still isn't universal, and it doesn't matter in the first place, because Izayoi can destroy it, with one punch.

Hundred gantlets is the causality manipulator, All fiction is has just stopped deteriorating because of it. Irreversible Destruction and ability from someone who isn't even universal negated all fiction.

If you really want to get technical Code Unknown would destroy Lihiko's Irreversible Destruction with ease, it has a reason for why the ability beats All fiction.

Any damage Iihiko deals to the world does not heal; Shiranui states he was a man born to destroy the world. Whether natural or skill based, Iihiko's actions cannot be recovered from. This ability seems to negate even Kumagawa's All Fiction. However, the true horror of this ability manifests itself in Iihiko's defense; the stronger an attack used against him, the further the attack itself will be "broken", and never return to normal. However, if Iihiko is defeated, then the damage will become reparable; in this way, Iihiko's irreversible destruction functions on the same principles as a style.

Until you give me a legit reason why All fiction is universal and why it can't be defeated by an ability that destroys all abilities, regardless of how powerful they are.

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Izayoi Sakamaki

Code: Unknown - Not much is known about his ability, even the gift card, a fragment of Laplace categorized his ability as Unknown. Despite this, he seems to know his power well, being able to gauge whether or not he can take an opponent on. It is shown that his ability grants him a boost in power and possibly perception (He was able to detect the Fores Garo operatives sneaking on the premises as well as Leticia whenever she was trying to hide her presence). Even his speed is increased greatly (equalling Black Rabbit's). He can defeat a water god with ease, deflect a lance attack from the weakened Leticia, stop a sword attack from the Perseus leader with one finger and defeat the Kraken and Graea. According to Jin, he can not only cancel gifts, but destroy them. According to Black Rabbit, he has the gift to destroy the heavens and the earth, and the power to destroy gifts simultaneously.

It was once hinted by Black Percher that his gift is able to destroy other gifts. (Possibly Repel also)

In volume 3, his ability was described as the ability to destroy stars when he talks about his life with Leticia.

Canaria stated that if his gift were to be given a name, it'd be 'Last future of Embryo'.

Aurora Pillar - power that revolves around creating light construct in the shape of small pillar which then enlarges to the point of reaching sky, he then swings it at his enemy. This is the true manifestation of Izayoi's power to destroy Gifts. He used it only three times: to destroy pocket dimension, to destroy strongest species and in his fight against Azi Dahaka - their clash reduced Volcano to nothing more than subatomic particles. Highness described it as a "Another Cosmology" a secret of Gods to construct their "UNIVERSE."

Post by Zerogodlike (1,224 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@LHWKnight said:

@Zerogodlike: Never said it was a bad feat, all I said was that it disproves that he is universal, All fiction is at full potency, but it still isn't universal, and it doesn't matter in the first place, because Izayoi can destroy it, with one punch.

Hundred gantlets is the causality manipulator, All fiction is has just stopped deteriorating because of it. Irreversible Destruction and ability from someone who isn't even universal negated all fiction.

If you really want to get technical Code Unknown would destroy Lihiko's Irreversible Destruction with ease, it has a reason for why the ability beats All fiction.

Any damage Iihiko deals to the world does not heal; Shiranui states he was a man born to destroy the world. Whether natural or skill based, Iihiko's actions cannot be recovered from. This ability seems to negate even Kumagawa's All Fiction. However, the true horror of this ability manifests itself in Iihiko's defense; the stronger an attack used against him, the further the attack itself will be "broken", and never return to normal. However, if Iihiko is defeated, then the damage will become reparable; in this way, Iihiko's irreversible destruction functions on the same principles as a style.

Until you give me a legit reason why All fiction is universal and why it can't be defeated by an ability that destroys all abilities, regardless of how powerful they are.

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Izayoi Sakamaki

Code: Unknown - Not much is known about his ability, even the gift card, a fragment of Laplace categorized his ability as Unknown. Despite this, he seems to know his power well, being able to gauge whether or not he can take an opponent on. It is shown that his ability grants him a boost in power and possibly perception (He was able to detect the Fores Garo operatives sneaking on the premises as well as Leticia whenever she was trying to hide her presence). Even his speed is increased greatly (equalling Black Rabbit's). He can defeat a water god with ease, deflect a lance attack from the weakened Leticia, stop a sword attack from the Perseus leader with one finger and defeat the Kraken and Graea. According to Jin, he can not only cancel gifts, but destroy them. According to Black Rabbit, he has the gift to destroy the heavens and the earth, and the power to destroy gifts simultaneously.

It was once hinted by Black Percher that his gift is able to destroy other gifts. (Possibly Repel also)

In volume 3, his ability was described as the ability to destroy stars when he talks about his life with Leticia.

Canaria stated that if his gift were to be given a name, it'd be 'Last future of Embryo'.

Aurora Pillar - power that revolves around creating light construct in the shape of small pillar which then enlarges to the point of reaching sky, he then swings it at his enemy. This is the true manifestation of Izayoi's power to destroy Gifts. He used it only three times: to destroy pocket dimension, to destroy strongest species and in his fight against Azi Dahaka - their clash reduced Volcano to nothing more than subatomic particles. Highness described it as a "Another Cosmology" a secret of Gods to construct their "UNIVERSE."

Considering his was able to cancel out Ajium omnipresence and all of her abilities which would include universe creation would say otherwise also A statement doesn't = a feat show where it says he destroyed anything larger than a star.

Post by cosmicdude (390 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@taichokage said:

Giorno Giovanna. He has an auto reset ability at the scale of the universe and it reverts everything to 0 including space/time. It's not possible to overcome unless your influence is greater than universal scale.

@5th

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That look like a Overkill.

Post by LHWKnight (2,733 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@Zerogodlike: Highness ability is similar and he knows about all code gifts.

also he completely destroyed Azi Dakaha, who Would be bigger than the world if it didn't compress itself to just 10 feet, Impossible for Sakamaki Izayoi to throw. Demonic Dragon, Demon Lord, level 3

Demon Lords are a Species who are the "greatest terror the Little Garden has ever known" . When a Demon Lord challenges someone to a Gift Game, they cannot refuse the challenge, though it is unknown how and why. Typically, Demon Lords are extremely powerful beings within Miniature Garden, who consider destroying a large community in a single night as child's play. The No Names were one such community that was destroyed by a Demon Lord.

The Demon Lord Shiroyasha is capable of creating gods, though it is unknown if this ability is shared with other demon lords.

Demon Lords are rank in digits 1 to 6. It was said in volume 3 that a demon ranked 6 can be defeated if a group is made with enough power. A ranked 5 demon lord is strong enough to cover the world in darkness. The rank of the demon lord also shows the rank of the community.

Divine Class - natual gods/ given divinity

Star Class/Celestial - beings superior to the Divine Class, being the group that are on the Giving end and all other inferior classes being on the Receiving end of their Gifts.

Pure Breed Class - eudemons that stems from the original dragon seed

Azi Dakaha is a demon lord level 3 that at is full size is bigger than miniature gardens entire world (the star itself and the space around it). it also has 1000 spells as gifts.

Level 3 to level 1 are multi galaxy and god in the series. Izayoi was born with the gift that was use to create the universe and it is not a lesser version at all.

Demon lord all have reality, causality and other hax gifts as shown by Shiroyasha very early on. (her game boards are their own separate worlds.)

Post by Prim4te (126 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Gilgamesh.

Superior speed.

No-sold an offensive ability similar to All Fiction from a galaxy+ being.

Killed a galaxy+ being with a defensive ability similar to All Fiction.

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