Toriko vs Vegeta

Topic started by BladeWade on June 18, 2013. Last post by taichokage 1 year, 5 months ago.
Post by othus12 (8,031 posts) See mini bio Level 13

you know you are weak when you are the sidekick of YAMUCHA

Post by deathmonger (1,036 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Vegeta eats the sweet taste of victory.

Post by othus12 (8,031 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@deathmonger: or toriko's fist.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@supernova7005 said:

This battle can go either way I guess. Vegeta's probably fast enough to avoid the blitz, but Toriko's still faster.

Comes down to strength vs DC

It depends on the distance between them. If its less than 50-100 m, Toriko wins. Otherwise, Vegeta

Nope, dbz travel speeds and combat speeds are different ( they can disappear while fighting dangit ), their reaction time is also already well lightspeed atleast in saiyan saga so vegeta would be able to see toriko coming enough to enchance his defense with ki.

Post by othus12 (8,031 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@eddz99: let this thread sink. its starting to look like a religious debate.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@othus12 said:

@eddz99: let this thread sink. its starting to look like a religious debate.

Hahah ok :L, i just get annoyed with supernova sometimes

Post by Son_Wukong (221 posts) See mini bio Level 7

: After reaching my posting limit yesterday (damn the 5 posts per day) I have come to explain some of the inconsistenciea within Dragon Ball.

As for Puar being able to cut off Goku's tail by turning into a pair of giant scissors this can be explained as tails are the weakest part of the saiyan anatomy by far.

As you can see very early in the manga Goku could take axes and bullets to the head:

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol01/016-KzuZs.jpg

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol01/080-8hrkE.jpg

Therefore a pait of giant scissors would probably break on contact with his skin.

And yet his tail was very weak and suseptable to attack:

Chapter: 12, P9.6
Goku: “Please don’t squeeze my tail…! I lose my power if my tails gets squeezed…”

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol08/043-qRnag.jpg

This explains why Puar was able to cut it so easily.

FYI Ozaru Goku's PL was only 100 as said in the Daizenshuu which isn't enough the moonbust:

http://www.dbzwarriors.com/pics/powerlevels/daizenshua.jpg

This could also be applied to how Yajirobe was able to cut Vegeta's tail off. Although Nappa said that he and Vegeta trained their tails:

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/19-005.0/compressed/DBZ_60.jpg

But considering that Yajirobe managed to cut off Ozaru Vegeta's tail it's likely that they only trained it to the point where they wouldn't feel pain if it's squeezed but not to make it as durable as their bodies.

As for Yajirobe cutting base Vegeta. Vegeta was exhausted and had virtually no ki left. He had taked a kaio-ken beating, a kaio-ken times 4 kamehameha, got his tail cut off and a spirit bomb. The only thing keeping him going at this point was his stubborn pride. Just look at how weak he was at this point:

His ki wave was unable to kill a bunch of half dead Z-fighters:

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/20-241.0/compressed/chap241i02.jpg

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/20-241.0/compressed/chap241i03.jpg

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/20-241.0/compressed/chap241i06.jpg

So it's understandable that being in such a pitiful and weak state Yajirobe was able to take him by surprise and Vegeta wasn't able to one shot him:

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/20-241.0/compressed/chap241i09.jpg

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/20-241.0/compressed/chap241i12.jpg

Compare this to a fresh Vegeta who was able to kill saibamen (you're stronger than Yajirobe) with a hand gesture:

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/18-011.0/compressed/DBZ_145.jpg

OFF TOPIC:

As for DBZ punching power in general you shouldn't under estimate them too much:

Buutenks was able to smack Gohan's ki blast through the goddamn planet:

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol33/195-coDeQ.jpg

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol33/196-5ItNb.jpg

And SSJ3 Goku punching through King Kai's planet:

Due to it's small size but high gravity (10 times that of Earth's) I have found many calcs on it:

I found one on OBD saying the planet is 1.7 million times denser than uranium:

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=17662

I found one on Comicvine saying it's white dwarf star density

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/off-topic-5/ss3-goku-vs-bills-spoilers-757507/

I found one on Neoseeker saying it's small planet/large moon level (25% earth's mass)

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t1867660-odin-force-thor-vs-goku-super-saiyan-3/3.htm

Post by WorldEater (288 posts) See mini bio Level 8
Vegeta.
Post by ChromeDisaster (1,102 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@Son_Wukong: Please. Stop it. Im hurting myself with laughter.

@Son_Wukong said:

: After reaching my posting limit yesterday (damn the 5 posts per day) I have come to explain some of the inconsistenciea within Dragon Ball.

As for Puar being able to cut off Goku's tail by turning into a pair of giant scissors this can be explained as tails are the weakest part of the saiyan anatomy by far.

As you can see very early in the manga Goku could take axes and bullets to the head:

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol01/016-KzuZs.jpg

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol01/080-8hrkE.jpg

Therefore a pait of giant scissors would probably break on contact with his skin.

And yet his tail was very weak and suseptable to attack:

Chapter: 12, P9.6
Goku: “Please don’t squeeze my tail…! I lose my power if my tails gets squeezed…”

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol08/043-qRnag.jpg

This explains why Puar was able to cut it so easily.

FYI Ozaru Goku's PL was only 100 as said in the Daizenshuu which isn't enough the moonbust:

http://www.dbzwarriors.com/pics/powerlevels/daizenshua.jpg

This could also be applied to how Yajirobe was able to cut Vegeta's tail off. Although Nappa said that he and Vegeta trained their tails:

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/19-005.0/compressed/DBZ_60.jpg

But considering that Yajirobe managed to cut off Ozaru Vegeta's tail it's likely that they only trained it to the point where they wouldn't feel pain if it's squeezed but not to make it as durable as their bodies.

As for Yajirobe cutting base Vegeta. Vegeta was exhausted and had virtually no ki left. He had taked a kaio-ken beating, a kaio-ken times 4 kamehameha, got his tail cut off and a spirit bomb. The only thing keeping him going at this point was his stubborn pride. Just look at how weak he was at this point:

His ki wave was unable to kill a bunch of half dead Z-fighters:

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/20-241.0/compressed/chap241i02.jpg

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/20-241.0/compressed/chap241i03.jpg

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/20-241.0/compressed/chap241i06.jpg

So it's understandable that being in such a pitiful and weak state Yajirobe was able to take him by surprise and Vegeta wasn't able to one shot him:

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/20-241.0/compressed/chap241i09.jpg

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/20-241.0/compressed/chap241i12.jpg

Compare this to a fresh Vegeta who was able to kill saibamen (you're stronger than Yajirobe) with a hand gesture:

http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/18-011.0/compressed/DBZ_145.jpg

OFF TOPIC:

As for DBZ punching power in general you shouldn't under estimate them too much:

Buutenks was able to smack Gohan's ki blast through the goddamn planet:

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol33/195-coDeQ.jpg

And SSJ3 Goku punching through King Kai's planet:

Due to it's small size but high gravity (10 times that of Earth's) I have found many calcs on it:

I found one on OBD saying the planet is 1.7 million times denser than uranium:

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=17662

I found one on Comicvine saying it's white dwarf star density

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/off-topic-5/ss3-goku-vs-bills-spoilers-757507/

I found one on Neoseeker saying it's small planet/large moon level (25% earth's mass)

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t1867660-odin-force-thor-vs-goku-super-saiyan-3/3.htm

I agree with everything but the density of King Kai's planet. The first two make zero sense. If that planetoid had a mass as large as a white dwarf star, no one would be standing there, logically. The mass and denstiy of a white dwarf star is equivalent to, if not greater than the mass of our own sun. Our sun has a mass of about two nonillion kilos, which is about a little over 300,000 times the density of the earth. Even with 10x the gravity of earth being on that planet, it would be impossible for it to be as heavy as a white dwarf star. If google is correct, King kais planet would weigh 1.2958069e+23 pounds. Which is wayyyy smaller in comparison to a white dwarf star

Post by GrayWolf2 (411 posts) See mini bio Level 7

@Son_Wukong: Your part about Buutenks deflecting Gohan's attack is a good one for DBZ striking power. The number of times powerful energy blasts have been deflected by simple punches,kicks, and in some rare cases by just someone blowing on them is numerous.

Post by DBZ_universe (15,887 posts) See mini bio Level 17

Puar cutting Goku's tail was gag power since DB was gag as well.

Post by xlab3000 (1,402 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Vegeta

Post by othus12 (8,031 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@GrayWolf2 said:

@Son_Wukong: Your part about Buutenks deflecting Gohan's attack is a good one for DBZ striking power. The number of times powerful energy blasts have been deflected by simple punches,kicks, and in some rare cases by just someone blowing on them is numerous.

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Toriko makes Vegeta his bitch.

I can see top tier Toriko and YYH characters being early Namek Saga level

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@supernova7005 said:

Toriko makes Vegeta his bitch.

I can see top tier Toriko and YYH characters being early Namek Saga level

Nobody cares about your opinion >,> loljk but really, even if i debate with you and even if i win the debate, you will still keep blabbering same things

Post by othus12 (8,031 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@supernova7005: @eddz99: we cant get to an agreement. lets just wait 30 chapters and toriko will get a clear win.

Post by eddz99 (2,662 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@othus12 said:

@supernova7005: @eddz99: we cant get to an agreement. lets just wait 30 chapters and toriko will get a clear win.

Too bad dbz isn't getting any more chapters :C

Post by WorldEater (288 posts) See mini bio Level 8
@othus12: I can't wait for 30 chapters. My patience has limits. 
Post by ChromeDisaster (1,102 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@WorldEater: Mine as well. Now if this was Ichiryu vs Vegeta, things would be different

Post by WorldEater (288 posts) See mini bio Level 8
@ChromeDisaster: What can Ichiryuu do? 
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