Toriko vs Nappa

Topic started by supernova7005 on June 10, 2013. Last post by 5th 11 months, 1 week ago.
Post by Son_Wukong (221 posts) See mini bio Level 7

@othus12: Dude you got mach 9 from Death Battle not the Daizenshuu. Anyway Goku being that slow makes him slower than Tao which makes no sense. 1000,000km in 28 hours = mach 30, consistent scaling.

Majin Vegeta bleeding from that kick proves my point. Look at what Goku and Frieza could easily shake off in the Namek saga (I meant enviromental damage from physical attacks not ki blasts)

Goku:

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol22/129-cQPrR.jpg

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol22/130-Zr2fs.jpg

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol22/136-PDnqF.jpg

Frieza:

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol21/142-b8T6g.jpg

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol21/143-IiDkU.jpg

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol21/145-yzi42.jpg

Goku:

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol21/129-zJHuZ.jpg

Frieza:

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol21/165-WcUTT.jpg

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol21/166-I8K9x.jpg

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol21/167-1mZpW.jpg

Just these feats alone make Goku and Frieza look physically stronger than Android saga/early Majin Buu saga characters. Which is why I stick with: Eviromental damage =/= the power of the attack

And DBZ can and do concentrate their ki blasts in order for them to do a lot of damage in a small range an example of this is given in the Daizenshuu's description of Vegeta's Big Bang Attack:

Big Bang Attack

A ki wave which Vegeta fired at Artificial Human No. 19. This technique, which easily destroyed Artificial Human No. 19, could be called Super Saiyan Vegeta's version of the Gyarik-ho. However, the differences between it and the Gyarik-ho are the ki's shape and firing method. First, he sticks one hand out in front, then emits a ki blast from the palm of that hand. This ki is condensed down into one big lump and can deal heavy damage inside a specific range. This is in contrast with the Gyarik-ho, which attacks a wide range. After the Big Bang Attack was fired, the ground around where Artificial Human No. 19 stood was completely wiped out, as if it had been dug away. Such effectiveness made it Vegeta's strongest attack at the time.
(Daizenshuu 2, p.213 / Daizenshuu 4, p.111)

http://web.archive.org/web/20111103180843/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz07.php?m=04&id=attack_a-c#link

Post by othus12 (6,903 posts) See mini bio Level 13
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@jnw93: may i remind you that the obd is bullcrap? the calc i brought was screwattacks calc backed up by the official dragonball magazine daizenshuu, you tell me who has more influence. and even if nappa were mach 30 (which he isnt) toriko is about mach 600 in combat speed.

second the obd has lost track on toriko characters since death falls arc they still dont even have zebura at continent level. nappa gets crushed by toriko's piercing power.toriko blew up a 5km class mountain made of iron ore with a punch(casual toriko), this feat alone is above any punching feat from the dragon ball verse. if only toriyama had given the z fighters the same balance other characters have (like superman) we wouldnt be debating.

his punches arent the common stuff and nappa isnt surviving 70 ren knife nail gun anytime soon. toriko can pretty much connect by creating an image on his head (ultimate routine) while nappa with his lower speed would find it hard to attack toriko and if you saw him fight he goes h2h on worthy opponents almost always. catching a food honor master is pretty much imposible. even toriko pre food honor failed to land a single a hit on a normal human with medium level of food honor. lets be real toriko characters have advanced to saiyan saga level.

namek saga is still too much for toriko verse but they have the raw speed and power to triumph saiyan saga.

Post by othus12 (6,903 posts) See mini bio Level 13
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@Son_Wukong: the first one you showed looked masive because it was a water splash nothing more.

second one:

getting tossed into a little hill and destroying it only shows that frieza's body is harder than rock he wasnt thrown at high speeds like vegeta against goku.

third one:

getting pushed back by a ki blast is at least what i would expect. it has nothing to do with actual striking force.

fourth:

again the destruction of a little hill at low speeds.

seriously these feats are below the one i showed where vegeta gets blown away and really destroys a bigger part of the ground and that makes sense since the power level of goku ssj2 is higher than the one of frieza. it doesnt seem to be a great increase on DC regarding striking strenght though. toriyama seems to prefer showcasing PL with energy output rather than with strking power or resist mayb that's why they lack punching feats later on.

on ki blasts i really didnt knew they could be condensed, thanks for that info i learned something pretty interesting

EDIT: that deathbattle was made in collaboration with daizenshuu.

Post by Nerx (13,843 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@jnw93: @othus12:

so how many tons did goku clobber him with?

Post by othus12 (6,903 posts) See mini bio Level 13
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@Nerx: not many. goku having to become ssj to lift 40 tons backs me up. people may call that an outliner but theyfail to realize that gokus striking strenght also comes from his speed.

(it should be far less but ok) lets just say it was a 40 ton attack (his strenght) accelerated at mach 30 (his speed).

Post by eddz99 (2,521 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@othus12 said:

@Nerx: not many. goku having to become ssj to lift 40 tons backs me up. people may call that an outliner but theyfail to realize that gokus striking strenght also comes from his speed.

(it should be far less but ok) lets just say it was a 40 ton attack (his strenght) accelerated at mach 30 (his speed).

400 tons dude, we don't even know the gravity of that planet.

Post by Nerx (13,843 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@eddz99: only 400 tons?

well then it is a quickdraw

Post by eddz99 (2,521 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@Nerx said:

@eddz99: only 400 tons?

well then it is a quickdraw

We don't even know the gravity of that planet, i can explain to you why it was impossible to be only 400 tons but takes too long, not my thing :L

Post by Nerx (13,843 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@eddz99: Its a battle of who's first

naps can get mashmangled

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@eddz99 said:

@Nerx said:

@eddz99: only 400 tons?

well then it is a quickdraw

We don't even know the gravity of that planet, i can explain to you why it was impossible to be only 400 tons but takes too long, not my thing :L

The gravity of the planet isn't more than 10G since even a weakling like king kai is able to stand on it.

40 tons x 10G = 400 tons at max.

Post by ImDictatorBowDown (1,928 posts) See mini bio Level 13

He can lift more than 40 tons, the weights were on his ankles and wrists, people who can lift 300 lb would have difficulty moving there limbs with just 30lb on of their wrists and ankles let alone punch and kick like regular with them on, Goku was shadowboxing in mid air at high speeds with weights on a planet of unknown gravity for an unknown period of time, long enough to make him sweat, not to mention the speed at which Goku is using the weights, Combat speed ≠ travel speed, Goku should be able to fight much faster than he can run or fly.

Post by Nerx (13,843 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@supernova7005: 400 tonners are food in Torikoverse, lets slap a capture level on that

Post by tronboy (425 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Nappa incinerated an entire city with waving two fingers

Post by eddz99 (2,521 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@ImDictatorBowDown said:

He can lift more than 40 tons, the weights were on his ankles and wrists, people who can lift 300 lb would have difficulty moving there limbs with just 30lb on of their wrists and ankles let alone punch and kick like regular with them on, Goku was shadowboxing in mid air at high speeds with weights on a planet of unknown gravity for an unknown period of time, long enough to make him sweat, not to mention the speed at which Goku is using the weights, Combat speed ≠ travel speed, Goku should be able to fight much faster than he can run or fly.

@supernova7005 said:

@eddz99 said:

@Nerx said:

@eddz99: only 400 tons?

well then it is a quickdraw

We don't even know the gravity of that planet, i can explain to you why it was impossible to be only 400 tons but takes too long, not my thing :L

The gravity of the planet isn't more than 10G since even a weakling like king kai is able to stand on it.

40 tons x 10G = 400 tons at max.

You call kai a weakling?! :O How dare j00

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Namek saga Goku was calced to be mach 320 and that's just a little above half of Toriko's speed.

Current Toriko should get pretty far through DBZ, probably till the mid-namek saga

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@supernova7005 said:

Namek saga Goku was calced to be mach 320 and that's just a little above half of Toriko's speed.

Current Toriko should get pretty far through DBZ, probably till the mid-namek saga

Lol no

Post by eddz99 (2,521 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@supernova7005 said:

Namek saga Goku was calced to be mach 320 and that's just a little above half of Toriko's speed.

Current Toriko should get pretty far through DBZ, probably till the mid-namek saga

Mach 320 travel speed, mach 320000 combat speed lol ( exaggeration hahah, probably only mach 3.2k - 32k )

Post by Grinpatch (94 posts) See mini bio Level 8
Nappa easily
Post by taichokage (13,396 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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^No!
Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

And why exactly was this thread bumped?

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