Thousand Blades: Archer vs. Byakuya

Topic started by Galenbeta on July 7, 2013. Last post by EraserCannon 1 year, 1 month ago.
Post by Galenbeta (3,025 posts) See mini bio Level 12
Archer(with UBW) Byakuya has unlimited hoho
Archer(with UBW) Byakuya has unlimited hoho
Post by CerusSerenade (2,576 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Gate of Babylowned.

Post by Galenbeta (3,025 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Archer can't use GoB. Only Gilgamesh can.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,576 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Archer copied it.

Post by Galenbeta (3,025 posts) See mini bio Level 12

When and anyway it won't work Byakuya could use hoho and dodge all of the. This is most likely a close range fight

Post by tronboy (425 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Byakuya Stompts

Post by Dream (7,489 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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@Galenbeta: Archer can spam Projections similarly like Gilgamesh can with Gate of Babylon.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,576 posts) See mini bio Level 10

As weak as in the fate route.

1:32

Post by Dream (7,489 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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Let's see: both are tactical fighters capable of adjusting their strategies accordingly when they comprehend their opponent's weaknesses. Byakuya has movement speed advantage, though Archer's reaction speed should be more than enough to make up for the disadvantage. In terms of their strongest attacks (bankai for Byakuya, UBW for Archer), I'd give advantage to Archer thanks to the differing magical properties of his projections that he is capable of using just about instantly while the Reality Marble is in effect.

Overall, I'm likely to give slight advantage to Archer since his Projections of Noble Phantasms still retain the magical properties of their original owners (despite being inferior to the original weapons) and Archer being likely to have a weapon on him that could counteract Byakuya's abilities. But it wouldn't be out of the realm of impossibility for Byakuya to land a win if he plans things out properly against Archer.

Post by Fehafare (9,196 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@Dream: That or Gae Bolg and Excalibur or Broken Hrunting or Broken Caladbolg.

There isn't a scenario where Byakuya wins.

Post by Dream (7,489 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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@Fehafare: Where was it mentioned that Archer has access to Gae Bolg?

As for the others, Broken Phantasms take Archer time to prep in overloading them with mana which would leave him open to attack and projecting Excalibur would lead the battle to a draw since projecting the weapon is beyond Archer's own mana capacities.

Post by Fehafare (9,196 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@Dream: He saw it, that's all that's needed.

I don't remember it even being mentioned that he needs preparation time for BP other than Hrunting but that's the property of the arrow sword and not BP itself. And no, Archer has claimed that he can reproduce Excalibur to near perfection. Shirou is the one who can't do so. Shirou still did it in HF, it kills him but he did it. Archer on the other hand wouldn't have nearly as much trouble as Shirou did with it.

Post by Dream (7,489 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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@Fehafare:

He saw it, that's all that's needed.

But his use of it would still vary on the situation at hand in battle.

And no, Archer has claimed that he can reproduce Excalibur to near perfection. Shirou is the one who can't do so. Shirou still did it in HF, it kills him but he did it. Archer on the other hand wouldn't have nearly as much trouble as Shirou did with it.

With Archer's arm in Heaven's Feel, Shiro gains the attributes and knowledge that Archer had. If Shiro killed himself using the sword, it wouldn't be much different if Archer tried using it in a suicide attack.

Post by Fehafare (9,196 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@Dream:

Not really, assuming he's bloodlusted that's the first thing he'll do, Gae Bolg gg.

With Archer's arm Shirou gains a fraction of Archer power and most if not all of his knowledge. Their prana levels are still worlds apart. And actually Shirou's body broken down because he overused Archer's power, it wasn't because of tracing Excalibur.

Post by Dream (7,489 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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@Fehafare:

Not really, assuming he's bloodlusted that's the first thing he'll do, Gae Bolg gg.

The battle conditions don't list characters being bloodlusted. So I'm judging this battle on the assumption both foes are in character.

With Archer's arm Shirou gains a fraction of Archer power and most if not all of his knowledge. Their prana levels are still worlds apart. And actually Shirou's body broken down because he overused Archer's power, it wasn't because of tracing Excalibur.

Except there are two issues I see that prevent Archer from being capable of flawlessly projecting and using the sword:

  1. Being a holy weapon, parts of Excalibur are made of material that can't be found nor understood in the mortal world.
  2. Use of Excalibur requires a large amount of mana to generate its attacks. With a competent Master or other means, Saber can Excaliblast and continue to battle if necessary as her dragon's blood gives her ridiculously high mana reserves that greatly surpass what human magi can generate, so long as her Magical Core can be fueled with mana. Archer has nowhere near the reserves of mana Saber can generate as his talents and abilities in magic and magecraft are limited and not as impressive.
Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Byakuya's faster but I still feel Archer would beat pre TS Byakuya with mid diff.

Post TS, Byakuya should be significantly stronger. Its impossible to decide until Byakuya shows his new feats

Post by Fehafare (9,196 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@Dream:

I assume unless specified characters are bloodlused.

Anyway, Archer himself said he can replicate Excalibur and Shirou does it in HF and he done so same with Avalon, they can be replicated. Ea is different because it is something that existed before the universe.

And Archer being able to summon and sustain UBW while being at 1/10th of his strength will be able to get Excalibur off at least once. Not to mention that Shirou with a fraction of his power can use it in HF.

Post by phantomrant (1,335 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Archer should be able to win.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,576 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Archer copies Senbonzakura and kills Byakuya with a copy of his sword to add to his humilation.

Post by Dream (7,489 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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@Fehafare:

Anyway, Archer himself said he can replicate Excalibur and Shirou does it in HF and he done so same with Avalon, they can be replicated.

Shiro could project Avalon with little issue because his body had perfectly memorized its contents from the sheathe being stored in his body for so long and Saber supplying him the mana needed to use its effects. And what proof do you have of Archer's claim being legit when he hasn't even been shown to use it throughout Fate if he knew of the risks of using it? He doesn't have the mana reserves that Saber can generate.

And Archer being able to summon and sustain UBW while being at 1/10th of his strength will be able to get Excalibur off at least once.

Proof? I certainly don't recall Archer using UBW when he was Master-less and resorting to Independent Action in the Unlimited Blade Works route lest he use up whatever mana reserves he had to create his Reality Marble.

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