The Flash (Wally West) VS Goklu End of Dbz

Topic started by deathmonger on Dec. 12, 2010. Last post by SSJjanemba 3 years, 10 months ago.
Post by deathmonger (1,036 posts) See mini bio Level 9
   No prep 
Morals off 
To the death 
both bloodlusted 
fight takes place at the Cell games 
No BFR 
No PIS 
Neither know what the other can do
 
 

VS
 
 
Post by rein (5,465 posts) See mini bio Level 15
i stopped reading comics, can wally still steal speed?
Post by Destinyheroknight (10,376 posts) See mini bio Level 21
Flash Wins
I don't care about the DBZ abc logic.
Post by taichokage (14,801 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Bloodlusted then Flash is screwed. Goku would not hesitate to bust the planet with a mere palm blast or bust the dimension and IT himself out of there. Flash's punch would hurt him but he has tanked planet busters and barely flinched. In character though I could see Flash pulling a possible win.
 
 @rein: yes he can.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Goklu loses. 
End of DBZ Goku babyshakes. 
He's more powerful than his buu saga self, and being bloodlusted means he won't hesitate to destroy everything in sight. 
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Flash. Instantly. Wins. 
 
Flash can run through time and cross dimensions through sheer speed. He can hit Goku trillions of times before Goku even realizes he's been hit. A single IMP is all it would really take. Flash can run through time and kill off the whole Saiyan race before they ever even evolved. And yes, Flash can still speed-jack you. But he doesn't even need to do that. He can phase through Goku's body and scramble his organs in a fraction of a picosecond.

Post by taichokage (14,801 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@ReiKai: He cant do all that. And even if he could its not like he can leave the planet so he still couldn't.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Flash is a regular human with super speed. 
Goku can eat his hits, then fly up and destroy the planet. 
Even if Wally steals all Goku's speed he still has the shunkan ido technique to move around, and since flash cannot fly all it takes is for goku to get 50 feet in the air and nuke the planet.  
 
That is all irrelevant anyway since in combat current flash is not all that fast (relatively speaking, he is still FTL or at lightspeed) 
Based on precedent from far slower Z senshi goku is faster than this, details outlined here:  http://www.animevice.com/forums/general-discussion/1/how-fast-are-dbz-characters/314493/ 
A single ki blast has more than enough power to kill flash. 
And (as shown in the link) early on ki beams were able to move at the speed of light, and ki beams like the characters who fire them have gotten faster.  
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Flash is connected to an omnipresent near-omnipotent force called the Speed Force. And Yes, he Can do all of that. You really don't have a fracking clue at all what he can do do you? Flash is Infinitely faster than light.

Post by taichokage (14,801 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@ReiKai: Not infinitely. If he were infinitely faster than light, that would essentially make his speed limitless which is not the case because next to Zoom he appeared to be in slow motion.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Zoom does not manipulate speed. Zoom manipulates Time.

Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@ReiKai said:
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Flash is connected to an omnipresent near-omnipotent force called the Speed Force. And Yes, he Can do all of that. You really don't have a fracking clue at all what he can do do you? Flash is Infinitely faster than light.

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Yet he can't beat a gorilla 
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

And Goku couldn't catch a monkey, or a cricket. You realize how retarded your argument is, right?

Post by taichokage (14,801 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@ReiKai:  Only difference is that Goku was many thousand times or even million times weaker there then this version and in 10x earth gravity. There is a difference. Also it would not matter is someone manipulated time. If his speed were truly infinite, to would take no time to travel.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@ReiKai said:
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And Goku couldn't catch a monkey, or a cricket. You realize how retarded your argument is, right?

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It was a joke, easy there Raigen. 
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

And you were tryin to use Animated Tim-verse Flash over canon comic Flash, who is infinitely better. And clearly you don't have any grasp of Comics or powers therein. Flash, via speedforce, can make himself move at infinite speed. Zoom, via time, already exists in every minute spectrum of time. Meaning, Flash's speed can't make up for someone who was always there in that instant however and whenever they want to be or don't want to be. If Flash is running around in a single Picosecond of time, he'd never catch Zoom because Zoom can just not be there in that instant. While Flash can move fast enough to travel through time, Zoom doesn't need to.

Post by taichokage (14,801 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@ReiKai: Good assessment there actually. Still though, there is no real way that he could kill Goku. Speed steal and infinite mass punch would not be nearly enough to do him in. He could probably hit Goku a millions times before he got hit even once despit that Goku is also FTL, but it would avail him naught. Unless he were able to deliver an attack far more powerful than a planet bust and not destroy the planet he himself is on, he can't win.
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

You really don't listen, do you? Inf Mass means hitting Goku with literally an infinite amount of physical force. You do know that Speed x Mass = Force correct? Try Flash x Inf-FTL. 
 
You also forget Flash can phase via vibrating his molects. He can move through matter and energy unharmed and do damage on his way through if he felt like it. He can literally scramble Goku's insides instantly.

Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@ReiKai said:
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You really don't listen, do you? Inf Mass means hitting Goku with literally an infinite amount of physical force. You do know that Speed x Mass = Force correct? Try Flash x Inf-FTL. 
 

This is so twisted. 
The infinite mass punch is when Flash or Supes hit with the speed of light, causing mass to go to infinite levels (as keeping with real science) 
Evidently its something special for Supes and Flash. 
Goku however hits with FTL speed with every blow.  
And what has the infinite mass punch done? Destroyed a moon, thats it, Something even roshi could do.  
Flash will need to do something better than that to harm goku. 
 
And are you sure flash can phase through energy? 
I thought he tried that and failed.   
 
Goku would put up a powerful ki barrier to block flash. 
Post by ReiKai (3,548 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Real science doesn't work in fiction. 

Goku has no reaction. Flash kills him before the electrons in Goku's brain even have time to react. 
 
Goku literally can't do anything. SS4 Gogeta fused with Vegitto still doesn't even remotely compare to Flash's speed. You don't even have the slightest inkling of how poorly outmatched in speed the DBU is compared to someone like Flash.

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