Tenchi Masaki sv Battler Ushiromiya

Topic started by LHWKnight on June 11, 2014. Last post by Dream 2 months ago.
Post by LHWKnight (2,717 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Tenchi Masaki

The second Juraian prince whose powers rule over an entire omniverse, which is 7 dimension and considering the fact that Tenchi has more than 11, makes it one. Tenchi Masaki has the powers of the Light Hawk wings, a mysterious energy concept that was used to create all of existence.

Originally the Light hawk wings where more like a nigh-absolute defense used by the Royal family of the Juraian empire, through their tree spaceships, however this is only a fraction of the truth as these LHW descended from the goddess Tsunami making them weaker and able to be breached with enough force.

Little is truly known about Tenchi's powers with the Light hawk wings other then the fact that unlike the tree-ships, his are unbreakable and even if you apply a massive amount of force against them all you are going to end up doing is causing them to destroy the world around you.

Tenchi's LHW works by erasing all of creation, and cutting right through any and every dimension.

The most reality can withstand is ten LHW's and while they can be sealed, he wouldn't need them because of the fact that all of the power inside his soul can destroy all of existence without the use of the physical manifestation of the LHW's.

This is proven so by the fact that the verses three goddesses that create all of reality could only slow down (Though not by much) his destruction of all of reality, and the only way to truly stop it was for him to come back to his sense can gain control. this power is still a mystery and intrigue amongst the franchise.

Vs

Battler Ushiromiya

Battler is the Golden Sorcerer that has the power to negate any fantasy magic. Battler has a punch that is on par with the cosmic power of the birth of the universe, making all of his enemies experience an almost never ending excruciating pain.

Battler is the type of person who rejects the existence of magic even when it is presented right before his very eyes and has the ability to negate said magic even from the likes of the creators of his world.

However the one thing that is his weakness is his inability to counter that power for very long (As it isn't absolutely perfect) and as such it eventually got him killed and had it not of been for the witch or resurrection, he would have stayed dead.

His weapon is a golden longsword, which grants him the power to wield the red and blue truth in battle. Because he knows the truth behind the game board, he is allowed to use the Golden Truth.

The Golden Truth is a divine truth woven in a different fashion than the Red Truth. Its strength is on par with the Red Truth, but depending on the situation, it can be inferior or superior. It can also somehow bypass Knox's 2nd when used by a human.

the Blue Truth can use be used as an attack fused with his kicks and punches. He was granted the ability to use the red truth temporarily during this arc. As one of the pieces inside the cat box, Battler has access to the truth of the tale.

Battle Rules

Knowledge of each other is limited to the knowledge that they themselves are 100% aware of and by that I mean give a completely explanation of that the power truly is and what it means.

They have 30 minutes of prep time.

Round 1 Tenchi with 3 LHW vs Meta-battler.

Round 2 Tencih with 6 LHW vs Golden Sorcerer Battler

Universe < Multiverse < Megaverse < Omniverse

Tenchi- Omniverse

Battler - multiverse (Lost to Bernkastel) before becoming low megaversal (by beating Bernkastel)

Battle theme Grandia ll

Post by cosmicdude (352 posts) See mini bio Level 9

1: Tenchi.

2: Can go either way.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,557 posts) See mini bio Level 10

1:I'm not willing to say Battler at this stage can resist LHW when he it relies on him being able to prove they're caused by human means. Tenchi takes this.

2.Battler by swinging the golden longsword since it has the same properties as the red key.

Post by GeneralVan (1,637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

1. Tenchi stomps.

2. Could go either way.

KT solos the verse though.

Post by LHWKnight (2,717 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@CerusSerenade:It doesn't always work so you are betting on a 50/50 chance here. Its strength is on par with the Red Truth, but depending on the situation, it can be inferior or superior. but I like those odds I guess but still.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,557 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@LHWKnight said:

@CerusSerenade:It doesn't always work so you are betting on a 50/50 chance here. Its strength is on par with the Red Truth, but depending on the situation, it can be inferior or superior. but I like those odds I guess but still.

"The Red Key - A weapon for emergencies used by official Inquisitors of Heresy belonging to Eiserne Jungfrau. Dlanor's primary weapon. Unlike a normal weapon, whose purpose is to cause physical damage, this special tool is known as a conceptual weapon, and it is used to deny the existence of concepts.

Regardless of whether the target is physical, mental or conceptual, it is impossible to use any defensive concept, such as physical barriers, mental isolation, and conceptual inheritance, to defend against this weapon. Because the concepts themselves are denied, even the concept of resisting an attack does not exist, and it is impossible for the target to endure regardless of their stamina. Furthermore, all supernatural methods of buying time, such as teleportation, time reversal, revivals, and inheritance are impossible. Because denials of concepts conform to verdict procedures dictated by the Great Court, all future concepts that disobey them will be denied immediately. In addition, when the Red Key forms a complete Barrier, all concepts of evasion cannot be successful.

Defense is Impossible, evasion is impossible, buying time is impossible. The ultimate conceptual weapon is the embodiment of these three impossibilities.

A strict investigation by the Great Court of Heaven is required for the use of the Red Key.Because of this, the very act of dispatching Dlanor, who arms herself with it, is equivalent to a death sentence.

In this world, Senator Lambdadelta has placed restrictions on its use and power."

The reason the red key did not work to its fullest is because it was limited by Lambdadelta, otherwise it does what it says, and Tenchi can't do anything about it.

The Golden Longsword IS a red key. Tenchi gets erased without effort.

Post by GeneralVan (1,637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@LHWKnight: Kami Tenchi is omnipotent. With NO weaknesses.

Post by LHWKnight (2,717 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@CerusSerenade said:

@LHWKnight said:

@CerusSerenade:It doesn't always work so you are betting on a 50/50 chance here. Its strength is on par with the Red Truth, but depending on the situation, it can be inferior or superior. but I like those odds I guess but still.

"The Red Key - A weapon for emergencies used by official Inquisitors of Heresy belonging to Eiserne Jungfrau. Dlanor's primary weapon. Unlike a normal weapon, whose purpose is to cause physical damage, this special tool is known as a conceptual weapon, and it is used to deny the existence of concepts.

Regardless of whether the target is physical, mental or conceptual, it is impossible to use any defensive concept, such as physical barriers, mental isolation, and conceptual inheritance, to defend against this weapon. Because the concepts themselves are denied, even the concept of resisting an attack does not exist, and it is impossible for the target to endure regardless of their stamina. Furthermore, all supernatural methods of buying time, such as teleportation, time reversal, revivals, and inheritance are impossible. Because denials of concepts conform to verdict procedures dictated by the Great Court, all future concepts that disobey them will be denied immediately. In addition, when the Red Key forms a complete Barrier, all concepts of evasion cannot be successful.

Defense is Impossible, evasion is impossible, buying time is impossible. The ultimate conceptual weapon is the embodiment of these three impossibilities.

A strict investigation by the Great Court of Heaven is required for the use of the Red Key.Because of this, the very act of dispatching Dlanor, who arms herself with it, is equivalent to a death sentence.

In this world, Senator Lambdadelta has placed restrictions on its use and power."

The reason the red key did not work to its fullest is because it was limited by Lambdadelta, otherwise it does what it says, and Tenchi can't do anything about it.

The Golden Longsword IS a red key. Tenchi gets erased without effort.

complete laws of a single megaverse can't overrule an omniverse it would be like a verse match and therefore banned.

@GeneralVan: okay fair enough

Post by CerusSerenade (2,557 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@LHWKnight said:

@CerusSerenade said:

@LHWKnight said:

@CerusSerenade:It doesn't always work so you are betting on a 50/50 chance here. Its strength is on par with the Red Truth, but depending on the situation, it can be inferior or superior. but I like those odds I guess but still.

"The Red Key - A weapon for emergencies used by official Inquisitors of Heresy belonging to Eiserne Jungfrau. Dlanor's primary weapon. Unlike a normal weapon, whose purpose is to cause physical damage, this special tool is known as a conceptual weapon, and it is used to deny the existence of concepts.

Regardless of whether the target is physical, mental or conceptual, it is impossible to use any defensive concept, such as physical barriers, mental isolation, and conceptual inheritance, to defend against this weapon. Because the concepts themselves are denied, even the concept of resisting an attack does not exist, and it is impossible for the target to endure regardless of their stamina. Furthermore, all supernatural methods of buying time, such as teleportation, time reversal, revivals, and inheritance are impossible. Because denials of concepts conform to verdict procedures dictated by the Great Court, all future concepts that disobey them will be denied immediately. In addition, when the Red Key forms a complete Barrier, all concepts of evasion cannot be successful.

Defense is Impossible, evasion is impossible, buying time is impossible. The ultimate conceptual weapon is the embodiment of these three impossibilities.

A strict investigation by the Great Court of Heaven is required for the use of the Red Key.Because of this, the very act of dispatching Dlanor, who arms herself with it, is equivalent to a death sentence.

In this world, Senator Lambdadelta has placed restrictions on its use and power."

The reason the red key did not work to its fullest is because it was limited by Lambdadelta, otherwise it does what it says, and Tenchi can't do anything about it.

The Golden Longsword IS a red key. Tenchi gets erased without effort.

complete laws of a single megaverse can overrule an omniverse it would be like a verse match and therefore banned.

@GeneralVan: okay fair enough

...

What? How does the red key make this a verse v. verse match? I'm completely lost on what you're trying to say.

@GeneralVan said:

@LHWKnight: Kami Tenchi is omnipotent. With NO weaknesses.

Except he has no idea what the hell he's doing and can't control it.

WEAKNESS!

Post by LHWKnight (2,717 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@CerusSerenade said:

Because denials of concepts conform to verdict procedures dictated by the Great Court, all future concepts that disobey them will be denied immediately. In addition, when the Red Key forms a complete Barrier, all concepts of evasion cannot be successful. A strict investigation by the Great Court of Heaven is required for the use of the Red Key.Because of this, the very act of dispatching Dlanor, who arms herself with it, is equivalent to a death sentence.

Great Court of Heaven.

The Eiserne Jungfrau (Iron Maidens) are Furniture summoned by Erika Furudo in End of the Golden Witch. It is the 7th District Repentance Enforcement Agency of the Great Court of Heaven.

It is made up of 7 Inquisitors of Heresy, with the first-class Archbishop Dlanor at their head, as well with several Assistant Inquisitors. This body is tasked with performing heresy interrogations, carrying out executions, and sometimes bestowing redemption. However, in almost all cases, the Great Court of Heaven considers sending them only after the completion of a heresy interrogation and a tentative guilty verdict, so they are, practically speaking, no different than an execution squad.

Their spectacular achievements are great in number, and they are extremely well-known, even among the other agencies.

  • Dlanor A. Knox
  • Cornelia
  • Gertrude

This rule goes against the battle and therefore the rule doesn't work. this rule would have to go against the will of Future Tenchi and the Chousin themselves, therefore a verse rules match.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,557 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@LHWKnight said:

@CerusSerenade said:

Because denials of concepts conform to verdict procedures dictated by the Great Court, all future concepts that disobey them will be denied immediately. In addition, when the Red Key forms a complete Barrier, all concepts of evasion cannot be successful. A strict investigation by the Great Court of Heaven is required for the use of the Red Key.Because of this, the very act of dispatching Dlanor, who arms herself with it, is equivalent to a death sentence.

Great Court of Heaven.

The Eiserne Jungfrau (Iron Maidens) are Furniture summoned by Erika Furudo in End of the Golden Witch. It is the 7th District Repentance Enforcement Agency of the Great Court of Heaven.

It is made up of 7 Inquisitors of Heresy, with the first-class Archbishop Dlanor at their head, as well with several Assistant Inquisitors. This body is tasked with performing heresy interrogations, carrying out executions, and sometimes bestowing redemption. However, in almost all cases, the Great Court of Heaven considers sending them only after the completion of a heresy interrogation and a tentative guilty verdict, so they are, practically speaking, no different than an execution squad.

Their spectacular achievements are great in number, and they are extremely well-known, even among the other agencies.

  • Dlanor A. Knox
  • Cornelia
  • Gertrude

This rule goes against the battle and therefore the rule doesn't work. this rule would have to go against the will of Future Tenchi and the Chousin themselves, therefore a verse rules match.

...

Dlanor was dispatched by Lambda, a single person.

This is Battler, not Dlanor.

Why are you bringing in useless information about how Battler, someone who is not part of the court of heaven and having no such limitations, having anything to do with bringing them into this fight? Are you that desperate to have Tenchi beat Battler?

Why are you even bringing this up? Since when do we wonder whether or not Vash will consult the rest of his conscience about using an angel arm except within in-character fights? What about going to 3 dungeons for Link to actually have his Master Sword?

Post by LHWKnight (2,717 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@CerusSerenade: because you brought up law of one verse against the laws of another.

Post by LHWKnight (2,717 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@CerusSerenade:

one verse absolute does not effect another verses absolute.

@CerusSerenade said:

Because denials of concepts conform to verdict procedures dictated by the Great Court, all future concepts that disobey them will be denied immediately. In addition, when the Red Key forms a complete Barrier, all concepts of evasion cannot be successful. A strict investigation by the Great Court of Heaven is required for the use of the Red Key.Because of this, the very act of dispatching Dlanor, who arms herself with it, is equivalent to a death sentence.

this does not work

Post by CerusSerenade (2,557 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@LHWKnight said:

@CerusSerenade: because you brought up law of one verse against the laws of another.

When?

@LHWKnight said:

@CerusSerenade:

one verse absolute does not effect another verses absolute.

@CerusSerenade said:

Because denials of concepts conform to verdict procedures dictated by the Great Court, all future concepts that disobey them will be denied immediately. In addition, when the Red Key forms a complete Barrier, all concepts of evasion cannot be successful. A strict investigation by the Great Court of Heaven is required for the use of the Red Key.Because of this, the very act of dispatching Dlanor, who arms herself with it, is equivalent to a death sentence.

this does not work

The golden longsword has the power of the red key but isn't a red key, therefore he doesn't need permission. Neither would that matter since Dlanor has so far been allowed to use her red key in previous battles on this forum, it's a moot issue.

Post by LHWKnight (2,717 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@CerusSerenade: it isn't absolute here so that doesn't work. the golden longsword can not cut through something that negate abilities by reducing infinite to zero.

9999999999999999 x 0 is always going to be zero.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,557 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@LHWKnight: The Golden Longsword preemptively denies anything that would stop it.

Post by LHWKnight (2,717 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@CerusSerenade: LHW negates that, you can deny something all you want but reality continues to go on and negation of reality >> over denial of reality warping magic anti magic. in fact Golden sword ability is in a way similar to LHW. it all comes down to the effect and the numbers and considering it's six to two, Tenchi comes out on top and then their is his mysterious hidden powers as well.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,557 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@LHWKnight: The Golden Longsword denies concepts, the LHW have only been shown to erase physical matter.

But that's moot, the Golden Longsword preemptively denies attempts to block, evade, or otherwise stop the attack, LHW will be denied, and the concept that governs them will be denied as well instantly.

Post by LHWKnight (2,717 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@CerusSerenade: Wrong Dimension is not a physical matter at all, the Chousin higher dimension is not physical matter. Space and time are not physical matter. negation of reality is not physical matter, because reality can has never been stopped by the Golden longsword.

the golden longsword never destroyed the verse, it can't in fact destroy the verse. Tenchi's existence can destroy reality, Tenchi can also negate his own existence from being erased.

Tenchi can negate his powers being negated so how can endless nine hope to stop absolution. endless nine seems to only negate concepts that in nature can be uncertain, Aka magic.

not even the goddesses could stop him so there is no way endless nine can stop him.

As of now Tenchi's powers and existance are absolute, Battler has never gone against an absolute being before. in fact if something is absolute then that means no ability can stop it period.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,557 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@LHWKnight: The definition of the red key states that any defensive concept is impossible, and any concept hat would prolong or delay a strike from the red key is also impossible.

Oh, and technically Will's black sword, a much weaker weapon, cut into and destroyed a fragment in order to save Lion. A fragment being universe in Umineko.

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