South Kaioshin vs Ultimate Gohan

Topic started by MisterShin on Feb. 9, 2010. Last post by UssjFutureTrunks 3 years, 5 months ago.
Post by MisterShin (2,125 posts) See mini bio Level 14
South Kaioshin is more Powerful than Kid Buu, the powerfullest unfused Buu.  So much more powerful than Kid Buu that he absorbed South Kaioshin.
South Kaioshin can read minds, etc like other Kaioshin & kaio.
 
I think he would defeat Ultimate Gohan, he would play mind games, by searching his memories and bringing up sensitive subjects. e.g. like Super Buu (Gotenks) vs Gohan.
Post by comicfanforever (453 posts) See mini bio Level 12
@MisterShin said:
"South Kaioshin is more Powerful than Kid Buu, the powerfullest unfused Buu.  So much more powerful than Kid Buu that he absorbed South Kaioshin.South Kaioshin can read minds, etc like other Kaioshin & kaio.  I think he would defeat Ultimate Gohan, he would play mind games, by searching his memories and bringing up sensitive subjects. e.g. like Super Buu (Gotenks) vs Gohan. "

Mystic Gohan > Super Buu (Fusion Evil and Fat Buu) > Kid Buu
Post by JThree47693 (1,081 posts) See mini bio Level 5
@MisterShin said:
" South Kaioshin is more Powerful than Kid Buu, the powerfullest unfused Buu.  So much more powerful than Kid Buu that he absorbed South Kaioshin.South Kaioshin can read minds, etc like other Kaioshin & kaio.  I think he would defeat Ultimate Gohan, he would play mind games, by searching his memories and bringing up sensitive subjects. e.g. like Super Buu (Gotenks) vs Gohan. "
South Kaioshin was shown getting that ass beat and absorbed. He isnt beating Gohan.
Post by FLStyle (423 posts) See mini bio Level 12
Mystic Gohan pimp-slap.
Post by MisterShin (2,125 posts) See mini bio Level 14
@comicfanforever said:
" @MisterShin said:
"South Kaioshin is more Powerful than Kid Buu, the powerfullest unfused Buu.  So much more powerful than Kid Buu that he absorbed South Kaioshin.South Kaioshin can read minds, etc like other Kaioshin & kaio.  I think he would defeat Ultimate Gohan, he would play mind games, by searching his memories and bringing up sensitive subjects. e.g. like Super Buu (Gotenks) vs Gohan. "
Mystic Gohan > Super Buu (Fusion Evil and Fat Buu) > Kid Buu "
Kid Buu > Super Buu (without Saiyans or Piccolo)
 
Super Buu contains Kaioshin inside him. Kaioshin decreased Super Buu power instead of increasing it.
Kid Buu however does not contain Kaioshin inside himself and is therefore, more powerful than Super Buu.
Further Proof is that,  when Super Buu changes into Kid Buu, they say that Buu's power is rising.
Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,210 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@MisterShin said:
"South Kaioshin is more Powerful than Kid Buu, the powerfullest unfused Buu.  So much more powerful than Kid Buu that he absorbed South Kaioshin.South Kaioshin can read minds, etc like other Kaioshin & kaio.  I think he would defeat Ultimate Gohan, he would play mind games, by searching his memories and bringing up sensitive subjects. e.g. like Super Buu (Gotenks) vs Gohan. "

Not true; it was never stated or proven that South Kaioshin was stronger than Kid Buu, just that South Kaioshin was significantly stronger than the others. Buu may have absorbed him, but he is an unthinking monster; he may have just learnt how to use it, maybe he did it on impulse, etc. Hence meaning that Gohan walks away with a victory.
Post by FLStyle (423 posts) See mini bio Level 12
@MisterShin said:
" @comicfanforever said:
" @MisterShin said:
"South Kaioshin is more Powerful than Kid Buu, the powerfullest unfused Buu.  So much more powerful than Kid Buu that he absorbed South Kaioshin.South Kaioshin can read minds, etc like other Kaioshin & kaio.  I think he would defeat Ultimate Gohan, he would play mind games, by searching his memories and bringing up sensitive subjects. e.g. like Super Buu (Gotenks) vs Gohan. "
Mystic Gohan > Super Buu (Fusion Evil and Fat Buu) > Kid Buu "
Kid Buu > Super Buu (without Saiyans or Piccolo) Super Buu contains Kaioshin inside him. Kaioshin decreased Super Buu power instead of increasing it. Kid Buu however does not contain Kaioshin inside himself and is therefore, more powerful than Super Buu. Further Proof is that,  when Super Buu changes into Kid Buu, they say that Buu's power is rising. "
Wrong. Fat Buu's power is the one who's decreased after the original Kid Buu absorbed Dai Kaioshin. When Evil Buu absorbed Fat Buu his power increased when he transformed into Super Buu. When they said his power level was rising they were referring to Buff Buu, who then transformed into Kid Buu, a decrease in power.
 
Super Buu is basically what Kid Buu would've turned into if the nature of the Dai Kaioshin hadn't affected him.
Post by MisterShin (2,125 posts) See mini bio Level 14
@FLStyle said:
" @MisterShin said:
" @comicfanforever said:
" @MisterShin said:
"South Kaioshin is more Powerful than Kid Buu, the powerfullest unfused Buu.  So much more powerful than Kid Buu that he absorbed South Kaioshin.South Kaioshin can read minds, etc like other Kaioshin & kaio.  I think he would defeat Ultimate Gohan, he would play mind games, by searching his memories and bringing up sensitive subjects. e.g. like Super Buu (Gotenks) vs Gohan. "
Mystic Gohan > Super Buu (Fusion Evil and Fat Buu) > Kid Buu "
Kid Buu > Super Buu (without Saiyans or Piccolo) Super Buu contains Kaioshin inside him. Kaioshin decreased Super Buu power instead of increasing it. Kid Buu however does not contain Kaioshin inside himself and is therefore, more powerful than Super Buu. Further Proof is that,  when Super Buu changes into Kid Buu, they say that Buu's power is rising. "
Wrong. Fat Buu's power is the one who's decreased after the original Kid Buu absorbed Dai Kaioshin. When Evil Buu absorbed Fat Buu his power increased when he transformed into Super Buu. When they said his power level was rising they were referring to Buff Buu, who then transformed into Kid Buu, a decrease in power.  Super Buu is basically what Kid Buu would've turned into if the nature of the Dai Kaioshin hadn't affected him. "
Sorry, but your wrong.
Buff Buu & Kid Buu >>> Super Buu. http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c005/last.html
Goku gets afraid of the rising power, yet can easily beat Fat Buu.  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c006/2.html
Dai Kaioshin was STILL in Super Buu (Remember Good Buu was in the Pod inside Super Buu's Head), BUT is REMOVED in Buff Buu and Kid Buu, therefore Buff Buu & Kid Buu > Super Buu.  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c006/4.html
Goku knows he has to go All-out from the beginning, just like he was about to against Super Buu (Gotenks SSJ3 absorbed).   http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c007/11.html
Goku was gonna go and face Super Buu (Gotenks SSJ3 absorbed)  . http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c016/5.html
Goku stated that he is dissapointed when Super Buu turns into Super Buu (Piccolo absorbed), Goku even powers down lol. http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c017/10.html  Super Buu(Piccolo) > Super Buu , that part is pretty much solid proof that Goku SSJ3 > Super Buu (piccolo).
 
Then Buu absorbs Gohan instead of Goku, could this be because Goku SSJ3 is stronger than Gohan.  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c017/11.html  .   Now Remeber what Buu said to Gohan  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c014/last.html   he does NOT what to absorb the strongest, coz he wants to fight against the strongest and use them as a punching bag.  Piccolo this Ultimate Gohan is Goku which proves they have similar power level.   http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c012/2.html     
 
 In the end all this proof sums up that (( Kid Buu > Super Buu)).
Post by mysticboy (144 posts) See mini bio Level 5
@MisterShin said:

" @FLStyle said:

" @MisterShin said:

" @comicfanforever said:
" @MisterShin said:
"South Kaioshin is more Powerful than Kid Buu, the powerfullest unfused Buu.  So much more powerful than Kid Buu that he absorbed South Kaioshin.South Kaioshin can read minds, etc like other Kaioshin & kaio.  I think he would defeat Ultimate Gohan, he would play mind games, by searching his memories and bringing up sensitive subjects. e.g. like Super Buu (Gotenks) vs Gohan. "
Mystic Gohan > Super Buu (Fusion Evil and Fat Buu) > Kid Buu "
Kid Buu > Super Buu (without Saiyans or Piccolo) Super Buu contains Kaioshin inside him. Kaioshin decreased Super Buu power instead of increasing it. Kid Buu however does not contain Kaioshin inside himself and is therefore, more powerful than Super Buu. Further Proof is that,  when Super Buu changes into Kid Buu, they say that Buu's power is rising. "
Wrong. Fat Buu's power is the one who's decreased after the original Kid Buu absorbed Dai Kaioshin. When Evil Buu absorbed Fat Buu his power increased when he transformed into Super Buu. When they said his power level was rising they were referring to Buff Buu, who then transformed into Kid Buu, a decrease in power.  Super Buu is basically what Kid Buu would've turned into if the nature of the Dai Kaioshin hadn't affected him. "
Sorry, but your wrong.
Buff Buu & Kid Buu >>> Super Buu. http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c005/last.html
Goku gets afraid of the rising power, yet can easily beat Fat Buu.  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c006/2.html
Dai Kaioshin was STILL in Super Buu (Remember Good Buu was in the Pod inside Super Buu's Head), BUT is REMOVED in Buff Buu and Kid Buu, therefore Buff Buu & Kid Buu > Super Buu.  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c006/4.html
Goku knows he has to go All-out from the beginning, just like he was about to against Super Buu (Gotenks SSJ3 absorbed).   http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c007/11.html
Goku was gonna go and face Super Buu (Gotenks SSJ3 absorbed)  . http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c016/5.html
Goku stated that he is dissapointed when Super Buu turns into Super Buu (Piccolo absorbed), Goku even powers down lol. http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c017/10.html  Super Buu(Piccolo) > Super Buu , that part is pretty much solid proof that Goku SSJ3 > Super Buu (piccolo).
 
Then Buu absorbs Gohan instead of Goku, could this be because Goku SSJ3 is stronger than Gohan.  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c017/11.html  .   Now Remeber what Buu said to Gohan   http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c014/last.html   he does NOT what to absorb the strongest, coz he wants to fight against the strongest and use them as a punching bag.  Piccolo this Ultimate Gohan is Goku which proves they have similar power level.   http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c012/2.html     
 
 In the end all this proof sums up that (( Kid Buu > Super Buu)).
"
 
  Gohan
Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,210 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@mysticboy said:
"@MisterShin said:

" @FLStyle said:

" @MisterShin said:

" @comicfanforever said:
" @MisterShin said:
"South Kaioshin is more Powerful than Kid Buu, the powerfullest unfused Buu.  So much more powerful than Kid Buu that he absorbed South Kaioshin.South Kaioshin can read minds, etc like other Kaioshin & kaio.  I think he would defeat Ultimate Gohan, he would play mind games, by searching his memories and bringing up sensitive subjects. e.g. like Super Buu (Gotenks) vs Gohan. "
Mystic Gohan > Super Buu (Fusion Evil and Fat Buu) > Kid Buu "
Kid Buu > Super Buu (without Saiyans or Piccolo) Super Buu contains Kaioshin inside him. Kaioshin decreased Super Buu power instead of increasing it. Kid Buu however does not contain Kaioshin inside himself and is therefore, more powerful than Super Buu. Further Proof is that,  when Super Buu changes into Kid Buu, they say that Buu's power is rising. "
Wrong. Fat Buu's power is the one who's decreased after the original Kid Buu absorbed Dai Kaioshin. When Evil Buu absorbed Fat Buu his power increased when he transformed into Super Buu. When they said his power level was rising they were referring to Buff Buu, who then transformed into Kid Buu, a decrease in power.  Super Buu is basically what Kid Buu would've turned into if the nature of the Dai Kaioshin hadn't affected him. "
Sorry, but your wrong.
Buff Buu & Kid Buu >>> Super Buu. http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c005/last.html
Goku gets afraid of the rising power, yet can easily beat Fat Buu.  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c006/2.html
Dai Kaioshin was STILL in Super Buu (Remember Good Buu was in the Pod inside Super Buu's Head), BUT is REMOVED in Buff Buu and Kid Buu, therefore Buff Buu & Kid Buu > Super Buu.  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c006/4.html
Goku knows he has to go All-out from the beginning, just like he was about to against Super Buu (Gotenks SSJ3 absorbed).   http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c007/11.html
Goku was gonna go and face Super Buu (Gotenks SSJ3 absorbed)  . http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c016/5.html
Goku stated that he is dissapointed when Super Buu turns into Super Buu (Piccolo absorbed), Goku even powers down lol. http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c017/10.html  Super Buu(Piccolo) > Super Buu , that part is pretty much solid proof that Goku SSJ3 > Super Buu (piccolo).
 
Then Buu absorbs Gohan instead of Goku, could this be because Goku SSJ3 is stronger than Gohan.  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c017/11.html  .   Now Remeber what Buu said to Gohan   http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c014/last.html   he does NOT what to absorb the strongest, coz he wants to fight against the strongest and use them as a punching bag.  Piccolo this Ultimate Gohan is Goku which proves they have similar power level.   http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c012/2.html     
 
 In the end all this proof sums up that (( Kid Buu > Super Buu)).
"
 
  Gohan "

I would agree with about 85% of that video. As for this match, however, Gohan undoubtedly wins.
Post by soldier (495 posts) See mini bio Level 7
@mysticboy said:
"@MisterShin said:

" @FLStyle said:

" @MisterShin said:

" @comicfanforever said:
" @MisterShin said:
"South Kaioshin is more Powerful than Kid Buu, the powerfullest unfused Buu.  So much more powerful than Kid Buu that he absorbed South Kaioshin.South Kaioshin can read minds, etc like other Kaioshin & kaio.  I think he would defeat Ultimate Gohan, he would play mind games, by searching his memories and bringing up sensitive subjects. e.g. like Super Buu (Gotenks) vs Gohan. "
Mystic Gohan > Super Buu (Fusion Evil and Fat Buu) > Kid Buu "
Kid Buu > Super Buu (without Saiyans or Piccolo) Super Buu contains Kaioshin inside him. Kaioshin decreased Super Buu power instead of increasing it. Kid Buu however does not contain Kaioshin inside himself and is therefore, more powerful than Super Buu. Further Proof is that,  when Super Buu changes into Kid Buu, they say that Buu's power is rising. "
Wrong. Fat Buu's power is the one who's decreased after the original Kid Buu absorbed Dai Kaioshin. When Evil Buu absorbed Fat Buu his power increased when he transformed into Super Buu. When they said his power level was rising they were referring to Buff Buu, who then transformed into Kid Buu, a decrease in power.  Super Buu is basically what Kid Buu would've turned into if the nature of the Dai Kaioshin hadn't affected him. "
Sorry, but your wrong.
Buff Buu & Kid Buu >>> Super Buu. http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c005/last.html
Goku gets afraid of the rising power, yet can easily beat Fat Buu.  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c006/2.html
Dai Kaioshin was STILL in Super Buu (Remember Good Buu was in the Pod inside Super Buu's Head), BUT is REMOVED in Buff Buu and Kid Buu, therefore Buff Buu & Kid Buu > Super Buu.  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c006/4.html
Goku knows he has to go All-out from the beginning, just like he was about to against Super Buu (Gotenks SSJ3 absorbed).   http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v42/c007/11.html
Goku was gonna go and face Super Buu (Gotenks SSJ3 absorbed)  . http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c016/5.html
Goku stated that he is dissapointed when Super Buu turns into Super Buu (Piccolo absorbed), Goku even powers down lol. http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c017/10.html  Super Buu(Piccolo) > Super Buu , that part is pretty much solid proof that Goku SSJ3 > Super Buu (piccolo).
 
Then Buu absorbs Gohan instead of Goku, could this be because Goku SSJ3 is stronger than Gohan.  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c017/11.html  .   Now Remeber what Buu said to Gohan   http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c014/last.html   he does NOT what to absorb the strongest, coz he wants to fight against the strongest and use them as a punching bag.  Piccolo this Ultimate Gohan is Goku which proves they have similar power level.   http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c012/2.html     
 
 In the end all this proof sums up that (( Kid Buu > Super Buu)).
"
 
  Gohan "

That video is complete bull, 99% of that can be explained easily. For exmple he told picollo that he could not beat fat buu, but later on says that he could have but wanted the boys to have a go. In the fight goku owned fat buu. As for the fusion, goku thought that gotenks ssj1 could beat fat buu, but keep in mind that goku thought that he could beat kid buu, and he got owned. 
ssj3 gotenks was beating super buu sometimes and losing at other points, they both were not taking it seriously at some points, but it got pretty heated at the end. Gohan demolished Superbuu, and Picollo thought that gohan was goku when he sensed the power of gohan (that is because gohan was on goku's level). Gohan may or may not be stronger than goku, but this is irrelevant. 
Kid Buu was stated to be stronger than kid buu in the anime, and also the most dangeruos in the manga, goku also wished that he had fused with Vegeta. Goku was said to be number 1 fighter, and kid buu was still superior. In the anime Akira showed goku fighting superbuu gotenks absorbed, he was losing of course but it was alright, quite accurate as it was exactly what happened to gohan. 
 
 
I don't want to rant anymore so PM me if you want to continue this debate, but that vid is garbage. 
 
Gohan wins this because Kid buu beat the stuffing out of south kai, and was given a closer match by goku even though kid buu's powers had increased. So gohan who is on goku's level would pummel south kai.
Post by MisterShin (2,125 posts) See mini bio Level 14
@soldier:  Yeah, Ultimate Gohan is Definately Stronger Strength wise. But Kaioshin can Read Minds, so i though he would be able to use this to his Advantage.
 
e.g. Knowing, Gohan Style of fighting, attacks, experiences, Knowing what move and attack Gohan is gonna make next, etc. Although the with the Difference in power, I now think Gohan takes this, although it will be Ultimate Gohans hardest fight since Super Buu Gotenks.
Post by soldier (495 posts) See mini bio Level 7
@MisterShin said:
" @soldier:  Yeah, Ultimate Gohan is Definately Stronger Strength wise. But Kaioshin can Read Minds, so i though he would be able to use this to his Advantage.  e.g. Knowing, Gohan Style of fighting, attacks, experiences, Knowing what move and attack Gohan is gonna make next, etc. Although the with the Difference in power, I now think Gohan takes this, although it will be Ultimate Gohans hardest fight since Super Buu Gotenks. "

The problem with this, is that although kaioshin can read minds, his best hope, is having telekenisis on supreme kai's level. 
 
Also, you make a good point about reading his mind, but Gohan has trained with goku who can also read minds, and so I would like to think that he would try to vary his styles just to keep Kaioshin on his toes. 
I think that at first it would be a good fight if gohan is not bloodlusted. However, I don't think Kaioshin's experience can make up the power difference. 
 
It is kind of like Vegeta vs Kid Buu, the power difference is too vast. By demolishing super buu gohan showed us that his speed was very great, and although super buu had good healing, he felt the punches. Even though they could never kill him, gohan took him to school. Gohan like you said has too many pros on his side.
Post by UssjFutureTrunks (296 posts) See mini bio Level 7


 

South Kaioshin is more Powerful than Kid Buu, the powerfullest unfused Buu. 

you have no way of knowing canon kaioshins power . and super buu > kid buu

 

South Kaioshin was shown getting that ass beat and absorbed.

the fight was not shown in canon, and gohan was absorbed. doesnt mean he cant beat the buu he was just slapping around.

 

Kid Buu > Super Buu (without Saiyans or Piccolo)

wrong.

 

Super Buu contains Kaioshin inside him. Kaioshin decreased Super Buu power instead of increasing it.

kaioshin only weakened fat buu. no proof he weakens super buu and no proof kid buu is stronger just cos hes alone. kid buu is part of super buu who is made from evil + good buu absorbed. hes like a fusion buu, therefore stronger

 

Further Proof is that,  when Super Buu changes into Kid Buu, they say that Buu's power is rising.

no that was when he changed into buff buu. when he went to kid buu, goku and vegeta celebrated.

 

Buff Buu & Kid Buu >>> Super Buu

buff buu > super buu >>>>>>kid buu

 

Dai Kaioshin was STILL in Super Buu (Remember Good Buu was in the Pod inside Super Buu's Head),

dai kaioshin is only weakening good buu by that logic, and since super buu  >>>kid buu, good buu increases evil buus power exponentially.

 

Goku knows he has to go All-out from the beginning

goku is only taking no chances. he ends up dragging out the fight too long

 

Goku stated that he is dissapointed when Super Buu turns into Super Buu (Piccolo absorbed), Goku even powers down lol. http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c017/10.html  Super Buu(Piccolo) > Super Buu , that part is pretty much solid proof that Goku SSJ3 > Super Buu (piccolo).   

 

did you just miss the part where he says gohan alone can beat him now? not himself?

 

Then Buu absorbs Gohan instead of Goku, could this be because Goku SSJ3 is stronger than Gohan.   

did you miss the part where buu said he absorbed gohan to make sure he was the strongest even if theres no one except a goku fusion with someone who can take him on?

 

Now Remeber what Buu said to Gohan  http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c014/last.html   he does NOT what to absorb the strongest, coz he wants to fight against the strongest and use them as a punching bag. 

thats why he wanted goku to use the earrings and fuse with someone. vegetto was gonna be his punching bag but vegetto is obviously too much for him.

 

Goku SSJ3 is stronger than Gohan. 

right so why would goku say hes weaker than gotenks and super buu even with vegeta backing him up? why would he need ssj3 just to keep up with fat buu but gotenks can "definitely" destroy fat buu with ssj1?

 

In the fight goku owned fat buu

goku did no damage to fat buu. sure he beat him around but so did vegeta and dabura.

 

As for the fusion, goku thought that gotenks ssj1 could beat fat buu, but keep in mind that goku thought that he could beat kid buu, and he got owned. 

no he held his own for most of the fight till he ran out of stamina. a stamina problem gotenks lacks.

 

Picollo thought that gohan was goku when he sensed the power of gohan (that is because gohan was on goku's level).

or maybe cos gohan is WEARING THE SAME GI AND HAS VERY SIMILAR HAIR! no one would think the ki signature of trunks is goten's despite the kids being on the same level. no one would think goku is vegeta just cos their ssj2 levels are the same.

 

Goku was said to be number 1 fighter

we know that to be false. vegeta told goku he was number 1 out of him and vegeta, not including the people who had just been killed.

 

goku also wished that he had fused with Vegeta.

only because of kid buus stamina and regeneration being more of a problem than goku thought.

 

In the anime Akira showed goku fighting superbuu gotenks absorbed, he was losing of course but it was alright, quite accurate as it was exactly what happened to gohan.

watch the fights properly. unlike gohan, goku could never follow buutenks movements or keep up with him. he got flattened in seconds. gohan kept up for a good episode or two before being worn down.

 

Kid buu beat the stuffing out of south kai,

south kai faced the strongest of the original buus (original kid buu, kid buu, fat buu) and stood his ground. he wasnt beaten up, they seemed equal.

 

Knowing, Gohan Style of fighting, attacks, experiences, Knowing what move and attack Gohan is gonna make next, etc.

it wont make any difference. piccolo knows gohans attacks too since hes his trainer but can piccolo defeat mssj gohan in the cell arc? hell no.

 

 

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