Saint Seiya Facts vs Hypes 2

Topic started by TheVectorPrime on July 5, 2012. Last post by TheVectorPrime 2 years ago.
Post by TheVectorPrime (269 posts) See mini bio Level 9

I'm back :-), after some time of absence. For all of you : http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=838762

Me vs OBDers and me owning OBDers :-) . Anyway point of this post is to show a deeper analyze of Saint Seiya actual power level. And since i'm to lazy to repost that here right now I posted a link of thread in which I did it on Naruto Forums Meta Battledome. If anyone wants to make a thread here using all of the links I posted there he is free 100% to do it. Or if you want all those links(scans) here I can repost them (just to lazy to do it right now), just say :-) .

P.S. Mods are free to move this to Saint Seiya forum since I don't know how to post this on Saint Seiya forum. Anyway at least wait some time in order for people to see it.

Post by TheVectorPrime (269 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Anyway I decided to repost this here. Keep in mind that I'm just gonna do copy/paste, so there will be text directed as reply to OBD users.

Now lets start I will begin from Galaxian Wars. Let's how powerful really are Bronze Saints. Notification these are not Bronze Saints which achived 7th sense.

Regular Bronze Saint can move at mach 1 (traveling speed) and achive 100 punches per second. That's reaction time of 10 miliseconds or 20 times better than human. For example Spiderman has 40 times better reactions than regular human, and thus 2 times faster reaction than Bronze Saint. I've seen OBDers claim that Bronze Saints have star+durability. Let's see if that's true:

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0166.jpg here we can see that Seiya has been hurt after force of 1870kg has been aplied on his throat.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0169.jpg here he gets unconcious after force of 1940kg has been aplied on his throat.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0173.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0174.jpg

here we can see that force of 4000kg is enough to totaly shatter Bronze Cloth.

Anyway let's see some other feats of Bronze Saints:

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0188.jpg

Hyoga making about 2m in diamter whole in tick ice, and that's without the armour

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...93.jpg-another look at the whole. It looks like ice was about 1m thick

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0194.jpg - some little info about his durability

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0196.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0197.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0198.jpg

destroying a half of part of a glacier which should be around 6m high with single punch

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0227.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0228.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0229.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0230.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/..._0231_0232.jpg

Famous Dragon Shiryu's waterfall reversing. If check the scans you'll, that it wasn't done by physical strength actually and MORE IMPORTANT HE DIDN'T REVERSED IT AT ALL. JUST ONE SMALLER PART OF WATER GONE UPWARDS IN SHAPE OF DRAGON. Indicating that Shiryu used his signature technique Dragon Fist (for the first time) in order to acomplish a feat. And techniques of Saints don't follow the laws of physics very much.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0234.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/..._0235_0236.jpg - here is the Dragon Fist for comparison with waterfall. So how much force was behind that technique ? Given a fact that Seiya was KOed by 1940kg aplied on his throat, also Dragon Fist wasn't aplied on his throat diretcly, but on his whole body, and the fact Bronze Cloth shatters at 4000kg, we can make some calcs.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0237.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...nt_01_0238.jpg

Here is Seiya after attack, hurt but not even KOed. So we can say it was more than 2000kg (1940kg was amplied directly on throat this was on whole body) but less than 4000kg. Keep in mind those are regular Bronze Clothes which shatter at 4tons, not improved.
Also if you take 2000kg-4000kg and compare it with waterfall feat, you'll see it's quite enough to produce the burst of quantity of water shown on scans with Dragon's feat.

Furthere you might see hyperboles presented in Dragon's speach (about no one being able to endure his attack...), those hyperboles are present during entire Galaxian Wars(I could post tons of links with those hyperboles but it would be a waste of time ) and they are presenting Bronze Saints as top dogs in the world, so THIER WORDS SHOULD BE TAKEN WITH CAUTION.

With all of the above it's quite obvious that Bronze Saints are high street level (and I see claims they are star + and city level in durability and destructive power). Characters like Midnighter, Spiderman, Venom, Carnage can defeat them. Although Bronze Saints would give a good fight. And before anyone of you SHOUTS: BRONZE SAINTS CAN MOVE AT MACH 1 !!! I must remind you that's a traveling speed and 4 guys that I mention above can react to gun shoots at point blank. Also guys like Sandman can defeat anyone of them 1 on 1. I repeat Bronze Saints aren't helpless agiast those characters I mention which oculd defeat them.

For strenght level of Bronzies:

Striking strength: 5 tons (high end, based on high-end estimations of Hyoga's feat)
Lifting strength: 5-8tons

Before anyone of you yells that Striking strength is too low, I'll remind you that Humphrey brothers can break seven plates of 15cm ice thick ice put togather with ram of the shoulders. See this in order for understanding

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Q2p...feature=relmfu - skip to 7.50 and watch. That feat was acomplish by what would might be considered lesser peak human
This is the end of part 1. I want to hear some opinions and than i will contiue, since this is practicly my first job of debunking here.

Also everything I posted is the same no matter if Japanese, Spanish, Portugese, French, English or USA text and translations. And why is only for Saint Seiya ''that's wrong translations" exuse widely accepted ? For all other fictions ii really doesn't matter which translations those are. By the way those are 100% accurate translations. Also watch the anime in order to see that what I'm talking is true.

Ok let's who doens't know a damn thing. I was planing to do this later but I'll do it now. First you claim Kanon destroyed entire solar system. Just to mention Kanon vs Rhadamanthus was done in Underworld no stars and planets down there, but let's see the feat:

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2643.jpg

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2644.jpg

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2645.jpg

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2646.jpg

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2647.jpg

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2648.jpg

Here is the whole instance. Fact is Kanon wasn't flying it's his cloth that we see flying. Second he used Galaxian Explosion to kill himself and Judge. Third those planets which appear on the last link are from Galaxian Explosion. Without debating if Galaxian Explosion has a destructive power of galaxy I think that all are familiar that when Galaxian Explosion is used, illusion of planets appear charging into opponets. Best example that those are illusions is when Saga uses Galaxian Explosion in temple. We see many planets inside the temple, and they are illusions since planet can't be put inside the temple (is much, much bigger in case you don't know :-) ) So those planets are illusions from Galaxian Explosion and this feat is widely used to prove planet busting in Saint Seiya. So all of you can see that it's a hoax.

Now I'll adress the Wailing Wall in other post since it's a cream of the pie and it deserves it's own post.

Now for the cream of the pie.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/h2625.jpg

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2632.jpg

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2633.jpg

They explain how to penetrate the Wailing Wall

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2634.jpg

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2635.jpg

Libra Dohko states that all 12 of them combined, using their maximum power can ONLY REPLICATE POWER OF THE SUN ON SMALL SCALE.

BONUS: http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2638.jpg Marin states that almight universal + Hades hates and fears the Sun. Universal + god afraid from a small star such as Sun ? Well in that case he isn't universal at all, he isn't even a star level.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2650.jpg

All 12 gold saints have gathered.

You and many other Saint Seiya fanboys claim that all they did was generated the sunlight (which by the way is far less impressive, since all 12 of them needed to unite their max power just in order to generate the sun light). But let's for what they used A FRACTION OF SUN'S POWER

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2653.jpg It is used in order for them to power up Aioros's arrow. And by the way that's immense energy for Saints. SO THEY DIDN'T charged sun light/ energy diretcly into a Wailing Wall like you claim. They powered up Aioros's arrow. So A FRACTION OF SUN'S POWER WAS USED FOR POWER UP AND NOT FOR LIGHT SHOW.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/i2654.jpg - hades uses avatars in order for himself not to be hurt (yes for sure universal level durability). By the way why does the almighty hades - creator of the universes only want to conquer the Earth ? Well since that's his ambition nr.1 he for sure isn't even close to universal level (his feats also confirm this).

By the way ULTIMATE BARRIER of the Gods Wailing Wall being penetrated by small amount of Sun powers, yes SS gods for sure are universal+ and their ultimate creation can be destroyed by Sun's light. Gimme a break with that wanking !!!

So the almighty Gold Saints can only REPLICATE SMALL AMOUNT OF SUN'S POWER WHEN UNITING THEIR MAX POWER

By the way sunligth/sunrays (call it as you want) is a fraction of Sun's power genius(es) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunlight .

How powerful is Athena Exclamation ? Well it's definatelly above Galaxian Explosion, but exactly how powerful ? It's a Big Bang on the small scale, but what amount ? Well see for yourselves fans and fanboys here it is:

-http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/21-003.0/compressed/k2163.jpg - the explosion is about city block at best. It was outside of Shaka's temple and it killed him

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/k2164.jpg - effect's of the explosion. It leveled a field outside of Shaka's house.

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/k2142.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/k2143.jpg
The size of the field which was destroyed. Also as seen the temple is intact. So from this we can conclude:

- 2nd most powerful attack of the Gold saints Athena Exclamation (the most powerful is the one used to penetrate the Wailing wall) is only a city block buster at high end.
- none of the Gold Saints have city block durability since non of them can endure Athena Exclamation.

So let me see who's gonna dismiss this ? It's a picture worth 1000's of words and it only shows something about city block in size being destroyed.
Just a minor edit since I forgot. Field was destroyed from temple to those 2 trees shown. Here are the scans confirming that:

http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/j2171.jpg
http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/4729/...ssed/j2172.jpg

see the grass and the flowers close to the trees ? It definately confirms it's a city block in size and that's a high end. Somebody can do a calc is he wants.
Post by ohgodwhy (1,489 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Yeah this is why you don't post in Naruto Forums.

For 1. About 90% of the people there don't know jackshit.

For 2. About 90% of someone's post count is just them flaming each other. Bit sad really, trying to increase your post count with spam.

Personally, I'm a believer. You've posted a lot of evidence and I for one am not in a position to disagree because I don't know anything about Saint Seiya. However given the evidence provided it seems clearly that Saint Seiya has been massively wanked over.

Post by TheVectorPrime (269 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@ohgodwhy said:

Yeah this is why you don't post in Naruto Forums.

For 1. About 90% of the people there don't know jackshit.

For 2. About 90% of someone's post count is just them flaming each other. Bit sad really, trying to increase your post count with spam.

Personally, I'm a believer. You've posted a lot of evidence and I for one am not in a position to disagree because I don't know anything about Saint Seiya. However given the evidence provided it seems clearly that Saint Seiya has been massively wanked over.

Thanks man, I apriciate that someone finaly listens !

Post by TheVectorPrime (269 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Guys notify me if some links are broken.

Post by TheBlackDragonz (883 posts) See mini bio Level 14
@TheVectorPrime
 
So, would, say, Mewtwo be an unfair match for a Bronze Saint? What about Imperialdramon? Because I really want to make a thread that has both characters I'm familiar with and are popular, so it gets attention >.> I want to make sure I understand thier capabilities perfectly.
Post by Destinyheroknight (10,168 posts) See mini bio Level 21

I approve this thread

Post by TheVectorPrime (269 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@TheBlackDragonz said:

@TheVectorPrime: So, would, say, Mewtwo be an unfair match for a Bronze Saint? What about Imperialdramon? Because I really want to make a thread that has both characters I'm familiar with and are popular, so it gets attention >.> I want to make sure I understand thier capabilities perfectly.

Mewtwo is too much for them and Imperialdramon is giga-stomp.

@Destinyheroknight said:

I approve this thread

Thanks man !

Post by valfranx (194 posts) See mini bio Level 10

It's not just you who thinks TheVectorPrime saint seiya and a beautiful hyperbole, fans even saint seiya not even not believe in the statements of the Knights of gold saying destroy galaxy, much less believe in the version of the SS created by obd, which says the guys have the capacity destructive multiversal.

rightly puts have nothing on the show saying that the guys destroy the universe.

by the way, has nothing to say that hades was that created the hyperdimension. Even he created, does not put him as multiversal.

If so, until the kamis of dragon ball are multiversal, for create ROSAT, a dimension that not has end, second trunks.

Post by TheVectorPrime (269 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@valfranx said:

It's not just you who thinks TheVectorPrime saint seiya and a beautiful hyperbole, fans even saint seiya not even not believe in the statements of the Knights of gold saying destroy galaxy, much less believe in the version of the SS created by obd, which says the guys have the capacity destructive multiversal.

rightly puts have nothing on the show saying that the guys destroy the universe.

by the way, has nothing to say that hades was that created the hyperdimension. Even he created, does not put him as multiversal.

If so, until the kamis of dragon ball are multiversal, for create ROSAT, a dimension that not has end, second trunks.

I didn't understand entire post, but it seems we agree :-) !

Post by Roman55 (98 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Aww....Are you mad because the OBD wouldn't agree with the BS you keep producing with your fingers?

Owning the OBDers? HA! You just came up with baseless arguments. Then when they were proven wrong, you continued wining.

But do keep it up, I need the laugh.

Post by GrayWolf2 (299 posts) See mini bio Level 7
@thevectorprime: Great post man. Like I've said before I'm only a beginner with Saint Seiya but I did find the whole Athena Exclamation "with the power of the Big Bang itself" a little fishy since it only torched a garden? No crater or anything.
Post by Roman55 (98 posts) See mini bio Level 6

@GrayWolf2: Can't you just....I don't know, actually read the series instead of going NICE POST +1

Post by GrayWolf2 (299 posts) See mini bio Level 7
@Roman55: I am reading the series. I'm just not done yet since I am not made of money.
Post by Roman55 (98 posts) See mini bio Level 6

@GrayWolf2 said:

@Roman55: I am reading the series. I'm just not done yet since I am not made of money.

You hear of the Internet?

Read it on there.

Post by valfranx (194 posts) See mini bio Level 10

difinitive proof that golds saints not has durability star:

http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/PQAAAGk1cbxMXDT5vtdh5hpaRAF8Q4k0yBIdbD3twPsBJzdreTTS0UK6rhpDzaqy9cAqTPsCBTRTfxQ0FpDbpdFs9VkAm1T1UNxq0UoKpoxS1ArbDwpWQlDGH5Id.jpg

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg17/scaled.php?server=17&filename=scanshura.gif&res=landing

In the image shura, said both he and Shiryu will be sprayed by the earth's atmosphere, even though being a gold saint.

Post by GrayWolf2 (299 posts) See mini bio Level 7
@Roman55: Sorry, I'm old fashioned I prefer holding and flipping through a book than looking on a screen.
Post by Destinyheroknight (10,168 posts) See mini bio Level 21

@Roman55:

You hear of the Internet?
Read it on there.

Dude, the scans online isn't great and also GrayWolf2 is doing a good job buying the manga (wish more people would do it)

Post by Roman55 (98 posts) See mini bio Level 6

There are alternatives to the ones available.

Post by TheVectorPrime (269 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@Roman55 said:

Aww....Are you mad because the OBD wouldn't agree with the BS you keep producing with your fingers?

Owning the OBDers? HA! You just came up with baseless arguments. Then when they were proven wrong, you continued wining.

But do keep it up, I need the laugh.

Haha, it's you who is mad. Instead of spamming this thread with meaningless posts you could post something and try to disaprove me. Too bad you can't and you know that since everything I posted are plain and simple fact !!! You only managed to prove that you're a troll !

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