Raikage W. Both Arms vs Sabertooth stongest

Topic started by Ikki_Minami_ on Jan. 25, 2013. Last post by 321zigzag1 1 year, 6 months ago.
Post by Ikki_Minami_ (961 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Raikage Vs Sabertooth strongest

-No holding back

-All serious and bloodlusted

-win by death

-mountain area

-Raikage get's both his arms as said in the title

Post by mokha (8 posts) See mini bio Level 10
Wooooooooooooooow 
Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Wait is this 1 vs 5 or a gauntlet?

Also for a brief moment I thought it was 3rd Raikage not A.

Post by Ikki_Minami_ (961 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@321zigzag1: 1. scenario: 1 vs 5

2. scenario: Gauntlet

sorry I, forgot to add that :p

Post by JThree47605 (1,004 posts) See mini bio Level 10

I don't see Raikage having much trouble beating the holy hell out of Sabertooth.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,507 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Well Laxus fights in a very similar manner to the Raikage and he's having a good battle against Orga from Sabertooth who wields Lightening God Slayer magic so I wouldn't say Raikage would have an easy time of this at all. Laxus possibly even moves faster than the Raikage because he's shown himself to be able to transform into lightening itself for movement. At the very least he'd be as fast as the Raikage.

Orga isn't even likely the strongest in Sabertooth, that honor goes to Minerva who can make people disappear into another dimension by merely a flick of her wrist.

This is a fairly easy win for Sabertooth imo.

Post by Ikki_Minami_ (961 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@ohgodwhy: No offence but Laxus, at most is Supersonic while he Raikage is Hypersonic so no laxus is not faster than or equal to the raikage.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,507 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@Ikki_Minami_: I don't see how you can say Raikage is hypersonic and then say Laxus is supersonic at best. Laxus has shown that he can actually turn into lightening and take on its attributes. Laxus moves so fast that when Natsu tried to punch him he just effectively teleported behind him. His speed and power are such that he took out the top 5 members of a specialist anti Fairy Tail guild in seconds (Chapter 287), taking one member out before his father could even turn his head.

In other threads, I've shown many times how via power scaling, Laxus is much faster than he's given credit for. Another example I can instantly think of would be to compare him to pre-timeskip Erza who was able to fight and keep up with Racer who was able to slow down time and make it look like he was attacking from several different angles at once.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111215161030/fairytail/images/0/0b/Slowing_Magic.gif

Laxus was superior to Erza who could match Racer and this was pre-timeskip. All of them have got several times stronger after the timeskip.

I still think speedwise, they're very similar or Laxus is faster.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Raikage being at least low hypersonic comes from scaling 3rd Raikage's speed who is likely around V1 and his dodging of the FRS, the FRS that crossed the Chibaku Tensei crater in one second., to his V2 speed and the fact he managed to leave an afterimage to Sasuke's sharingan.

Racer's speed is unknown. Plus he doesn't slow down time. He only slows down your perception of time. Thats why Lyon and Gray were able to hit him.

In the end for much of Racer's "godlike speed" he couldn't even dodge Gray's Ice Arrow several dozens of meters away.

you could certainly argue Laxus' speed when he turns into lightning but his regular form's speed; Raikage seems to have shown superior agility especially when you combine V2 + shunshin and his point blank dodging of Amaterasu.

As for this thread. Rufus isn't a problem. He lacks the actual finisher. Sting and Rogue could be problems especially in DF mode. Orga is unknown, Minerva's magic is actually pretty dangerous.

If this was 3rd Raikage I wouldn't have a problem of saying he wins. Other than Minerva the others don't have on him.

Post by Ikki_Minami_ (961 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@ohgodwhy: Too be honest with you, laxus is like a less impressive raikage, and the fan wank for him is getting old. But back on topic I say Raikage wins both rounds.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,507 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@321zigzag1 said:

Raikage being at least low hypersonic comes from scaling 3rd Raikage's speed who is likely around V1 and his dodging of the FRS, the FRS that crossed the Chibaku Tensei crater in one second., to his V2 speed and the fact he managed to leave an afterimage to Sasuke's sharingan.

Racer's speed is unknown. Plus he doesn't slow down time. He only slows down your perception of time. Thats why Lyon and Gray were able to hit him.

In the end for much of Racer's "godlike speed" he couldn't even dodge Gray's Ice Arrow several dozens of meters away.

you could certainly argue Laxus' speed when he turns into lightning but his regular form's speed; Raikage seems to have shown superior agility especially when you combine V2 + shunshin and his point blank dodging of Amaterasu.

As for this thread. Rufus isn't a problem. He lacks the actual finisher. Sting and Rogue could be problems especially in DF mode. Orga is unknown, Minerva's magic is actually pretty dangerous.

If this was 3rd Raikage I wouldn't have a problem of saying he wins. Other than Minerva the others don't have on him.

Yeah he slows down a persons perception of time but what that person experiences is real. In that bubble in which Racer's magic is effective, he can slow his opponent down so much that it makes them pretty much move at a snails pace yet Erza was able to fight like normal inside Racers magic sphere. This shows that she moved fast enough to render his time slowing magic pretty much obsolete, like I said we saw how it affected Lyon and Gray.

Gray's ice arrows were effective because Gray figured out Racer's weakness and attacked outside of Racer's magic's range of effect. Therefore Racer's magic was ineffective and the attack connected. Erza didn't know this and was still able to fight against Racer AND I believe she was poisoned at the time, but I'm not too sure that may have happened after. Either was Racer was totally blitzing all the others but couldn't do a thing to Erza.

Speed's relative so if we use this scaling we can see that Erza and Laxus are able to fight at much faster speeds than Natsu or any of the others, even though at times it looks like they're similar. It's like how in DBZ people from the Cell saga don't look much faster than those in the Sayain saga even though we know they're clearly hundreds of times faster.

I mean I already told you one example of Laxus's speed which was to move so fast behind Natsu, all we saw was a few cracks of lightening. It almost looked like he teleported.

He can attack while in lightening form, he showed this against Hades. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120219084349/fairytail/images/1/19/118_-_Hades_vs_Laxus.gif

Plus after the timeskip they've all become exponentially more powerful. Like I showed, Laxus was able to take out 5 elite members of an Anti Fairy Tail guild in seconds. Now this guy Orga seems to be giving Laxus a fairly even fight, I'd say he's pretty powerful.

Like you said, Minerva's power is deadly and she'd definitely pose the biggest threat here. Plus she's shown she can keep up with Erza so she must be pretty fast.

Rufus is pretty powerful too, he can inflict a lot of damage.

Having 2 dragon slayers on your team's a nice bonus too in terms of damage output. I doubt they can keep up though because they were both beaten pretty soundly by Natsu but their attacks should be able to inflict good damage. Certainly in terms of damage output, I'd say team FT has the big advantage.

Raikage might be able to win the gauntlet but when they all attack him at once he's got no chance IMO.

@Ikki_Minami_ said:

@ohgodwhy: Too be honest with you, laxus is like a less impressive raikage, and the fan wank for him is getting old. But back on topic I say Raikage wins both rounds.

Why bother making this thread if you're going to take that opinion. That was a stupid reply.

Post by Ikki_Minami_ (961 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@ohgodwhy: It's called a debate. I just stated my opinion that he would probably win both rounds. If I am wrong, so me scans, feats video's to prove me wrong because that's why I made this thread to debate so I guess you're, idiocracy was saying I was hebetudinous for making this thread so can we stop arguing and actually debate?

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@Ikki_Minami_ said:

@ohgodwhy: Too be honest with you, laxus is like a less impressive raikage, and the fan wank for him is getting old. But back on topic I say Raikage wins both rounds.

There is always a fanwank for any type of character.

@ohgodwhy said:

Yeah he slows down a persons perception of time but what that person experiences is real. In that bubble in which Racer's magic is effective, he can slow his opponent down so much that it makes them pretty much move at a snails pace yet Erza was able to fight like normal inside Racers magic sphere. This shows that she moved fast enough to render his time slowing magic pretty much obsolete, like I said we saw how it affected Lyon and Gray.

Gray's ice arrows were effective because Gray figured out Racer's weakness and attacked outside of Racer's magic's range of effect. Therefore Racer's magic was ineffective and the attack connected. Erza didn't know this and was still able to fight against Racer AND I believe she was poisoned at the time, but I'm not too sure that may have happened after. Either was Racer was totally blitzing all the others but couldn't do a thing to Erza.

Speed's relative so if we use this scaling we can see that Erza and Laxus are able to fight at much faster speeds than Natsu or any of the others, even though at times it looks like they're similar. It's like how in DBZ people from the Cell saga don't look much faster than those in the Sayain saga even though we know they're clearly hundreds of times faster.

I mean I already told you one example of Laxus's speed which was to move so fast behind Natsu, all we saw was a few cracks of lightening. It almost looked like he teleported.

He can attack while in lightening form, he showed this against Hades. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120219084349/fairytail/images/1/19/118_-_Hades_vs_Laxus.gif

Plus after the timeskip they've all become exponentially more powerful. Like I showed, Laxus was able to take out 5 elite members of an Anti Fairy Tail guild in seconds. Now this guy Orga seems to be giving Laxus a fairly even fight, I'd say he's pretty powerful.

Like you said, Minerva's power is deadly and she'd definitely pose the biggest threat here. Plus she's shown she can keep up with Erza so she must be pretty fast.

Rufus is pretty powerful too, he can inflict a lot of damage.

Having 2 dragon slayers on your team's a nice bonus too in terms of damage output. I doubt they can keep up though because they were both beaten pretty soundly by Natsu but their attacks should be able to inflict good damage. Certainly in terms of damage output, I'd say team FT has the big advantage.

Well Racer can "speed it up" that is what occured against Lyon.

Well yes its true it was outside of Racer's small range, but it doesn't speak much for his actual speed either. Not saying its horrible. He had enough strength and speed to jump off a tree and attack Happy and Charle.

Yes unfortunately speed is largely relative. All I am saying is that if you want to go by in panel feat comparison (which isn't perfect but still), Raikage still looks superior, or should I say he excels close quarter agility in shown wise in comparison.

Laxus's lightning is like shunshin or shunpo while you can attack with it, but he isn't Enel. It certainly didn't help him against Natsu and Gajeel in the end. Also, speed is relative to that "teleportation gimmick"

Raven Tail was largely disappointing and fodder and you know it. Minus Ivan's illusions or the mage who can erase your magic, the rest weren't that great. While it shows LAxus' power it also showed how weak Raven Tail was. (not surprising considering how Mashima treats most of his villains).

Rufus lacks a finisher, I am not even sure how he will effectively harm A.

Well I am not certainly arguing Raikage beats all five at once. I am not interested in that aspect of the fight. ALthough if this was 3rd Raikage, I was going to argue something more obvious.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,507 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@Ikki_Minami_ said:

@ohgodwhy: Too be honest with you, laxus is like a less impressive raikage, and the fan wank for him is getting old. But back on topic I say Raikage wins both rounds.

@Ikki_Minami_ said:

@ohgodwhy: It's called a debate. I just stated my opinion that he would probably win both rounds. If I am wrong, so me scans, feats video's to prove me wrong because that's why I made this thread to debate so I guess you're, idiocracy was saying I was hebetudinous for making this thread so can we stop arguing and actually debate?

Yeah debates work two ways. What me and 321zigzag1 are having is a debate. You saying that I'm fan wanking and then justifying your opinion as "Laxus is like a less impressive Raikage" isn't great debating.

I'm not arguing.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,507 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@321zigzag1 said:

Well Racer can "speed it up" that is what occured against Lyon.

Well yes its true it was outside of Racer's small range, but it doesn't speak much for his actual speed either. Not saying its horrible. He had enough strength and speed to jump off a tree and attack Happy and Charle.

Yes unfortunately speed is largely relative. All I am saying is that if you want to go by in panel feat comparison (which isn't perfect but still), Raikage still looks superior, or should I say he excels close quarter agility in shown wise in comparison.

Laxus's lightning is like shunshin or shunpo while you can attack with it, but he isn't Enel. It certainly didn't help him against Natsu and Gajeel in the end. Also, speed is relative to that "teleportation gimmick"

Raven Tail was largely disappointing and fodder and you know it. Minus Ivan's illusions or the mage who can erase your magic, the rest weren't that great. While it shows LAxus' power it also showed how weak Raven Tail was. (not surprising considering how Mashima treats most of his villains).

Rufus lacks a finisher, I am not even sure how he will effectively harm A.

Well I am not certainly arguing Raikage beats all five at once. I am not interested in that aspect of the fight. ALthough if this was 3rd Raikage, I was going to argue something more obvious.

It doesn't matter about Racer's actual speed, what matters is his speed inside his magic area which was clear to see as being ridiculous. He was like 4th gate Rock Lee but on steroids.

Raikage's fast but he doesn't move at the speed of lightening like Laxus does. You're right, he's not Enel but still having that kind of attack power and speed gives him a nice advantage in battle. He could easily just keep moving around in that form and attacking from different directions. What's the relevence of this? Orga's giving Laxus a good fight so his speed can't be too dissimilar.

"Teleportation gimmick" lol nice. I guess it works both ways, but that was a total speed blitz on Laxus's part and Natsu's not exactly slow.

Raven Tail was fodder, I know that but rather than showing how weak Raven Tail was it clearly shows how much more powerful Laxus has become since the time skip. The whole point of that skirmish was to show that while the old Laxus might have lost against them, the new Laxus demolished them with ease. He's literally become that much stronger.

We should've just done a Laxus vs Raikage battle lol. There's too many unknowns for Sabertooth but IMO via powerscaling it's a fairly obvious win for Raven Tail.

We agree that he'd lose against all of them at once but I think in a gauntlet he'd easily take the two DSs and Rufus but possibly struggle against Orga and probably lose against Minerva because her power at the moment just seems to be hax.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@ohgodwhy said:

It doesn't matter about Racer's actual speed, what matters is his speed inside his magic area which was clear to see as being ridiculous. He was like 4th gate Rock Lee but on steroids.

Raikage's fast but he doesn't move at the speed of lightening like Laxus does. You're right, he's not Enel but still having that kind of attack power and speed gives him a nice advantage in battle. He could easily just keep moving around in that form and attacking from different directions. What's the relevence of this? Orga's giving Laxus a good fight so his speed can't be too dissimilar.

"Teleportation gimmick" lol nice. I guess it works both ways, but that was a total speed blitz on Laxus's part and Natsu's not exactly slow.

Raven Tail was fodder, I know that but rather than showing how weak Raven Tail was it clearly shows how much more powerful Laxus has become since the time skip. The whole point of that skirmish was to show that while the old Laxus might have lost against them, the new Laxus demolished them with ease. He's literally become that much stronger.

We should've just done a Laxus vs Raikage battle lol. There's too many unknowns for Sabertooth but IMO via powerscaling it's a fairly obvious win for Raven Tail.

We agree that he'd lose against all of them at once but I think in a gauntlet he'd easily take the two DSs and Rufus but possibly struggle against Orga and probably lose against Minerva because her power at the moment just seems to be hax.

Rock Lee was kicking up the floor. Racer never did. Granted, supersonic speeds in the manga are not always drawn like that but you get my point.

Since when Laxus actually moves at the speed of lightning? Your only argument is Laxus' lightning speed trick but thats unknown too. As for Orga, the next chapter could change. We don't know how far Orga and Laxus compare.

Old Laxus losing to them? Other than Ivan or the magic eraser mage who knows.

Well Raikage and Laxus use lightning in very different ways.

What is A's best durability?

Post by ohgodwhy (1,507 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@321zigzag1 said:

Rock Lee was kicking up the floor. Racer never did. Granted, supersonic speeds in the manga are not always drawn like that but you get my point.

Since when Laxus actually moves at the speed of lightning? Your only argument is Laxus' lightning speed trick but thats unknown too. As for Orga, the next chapter could change. We don't know how far Orga and Laxus compare.

Old Laxus losing to them? Other than Ivan or the magic eraser mage who knows.

Well Raikage and Laxus use lightning in very different ways.

What is A's best durability?

Laxus moving at lightening speed isn't my only arguement. I've also used powerscaling of Erza and two seperate examples of Laxus moving at lightening speed. Laxus turned into lightening when he attacked Hades, that was shown in one of the links I posted. I'm not aware of many other forms of lightening that are slow.

Like I said, the whole point of Raven Tail was to be an Anti Fairy Tail guild. They thought they knew all of Fairy Tails strengths and weaknesses and were obviously hoping to be strong enough to take them down so it must've been quite a shock when Laxus took out their 5 most elite memebers in an instant. Plus we only need to look at Natsu vs the other 2 DSs to see how much powerful FT has become.

I don't think A's shown much in the way of durability. He can probably tank light-mid damage with his Raiton Armor but it wasn't doing him much good defending against Madara's attacks IIRC.

Post by 321zigzag1 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@ohgodwhy said:

Laxus moving at lightening speed isn't my only arguement. I've also used powerscaling of Erza and two seperate examples of Laxus moving at lightening speed. Laxus turned into lightening when he attacked Hades, that was shown in one of the links I posted. I'm not aware of many other forms of lightening that are slow.

Like I said, the whole point of Raven Tail was to be an Anti Fairy Tail guild. They thought they knew all of Fairy Tails strengths and weaknesses and were obviously hoping to be strong enough to take them down so it must've been quite a shock when Laxus took out their 5 most elite memebers in an instant. Plus we only need to look at Natsu vs the other 2 DSs to see how much powerful FT has become.

I don't think A's shown much in the way of durability. He can probably tank light-mid damage with his Raiton Armor but it wasn't doing him much good defending against Madara's attacks IIRC.

Turning into lightning means automatically lightning speed as in speed of actual lightning?

Fairy Tail was always the most powerful. In fact there is a joke that the antagonists needed 7 years to even catch up.

If I recall, Sasuke's chidori barely pierced A's chest and that was in V1 form. Piercing and cutting always tend to take precedence over blunt force or etc in shonen anyway.

Madara's only attacks were smacking him with Wood clone susanoos and getting him with genjutsu.

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