Pyron Vs Perfect Cell

Topic started by comicfanforever on April 6, 2010. Last post by takashichea 7 months ago.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9
#1 Cell does not know the Mafuba. Only Kame-senin (Roshi), Kami and Tien know the technique. Piccolo (jr) created the reverse-version as self-defense. Cell does not possess this more nor was it ever suggested that he does. The same goes for IT.
 
#2 It does not state Cell can bust a solar-system. It was an english translation error and Also, a Character making the claim he can do it does no evidence make. Meaning; Hyperbole.
 
#3 Pyron is a being of pure energy. Casually throwing around the same kind of energy is like feeding him snacks. Ki is also not spirit energy, it's life energy. Technically it's all the same thing, but regardless it's what makes up Pyron's essence and why he consumes planets; converts them to energy to maintain his power.
 
#4 Pyron actually has teleportation and has proven he can travel across interstellar distances at FTL speeds. Since Pyron has no physical body it makes doing any kind of harm to him very tricky. Physically attacking him is all but meaningless.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,703 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@ReiKai said:

" #1 Cell does not know the Mafuba. Only Kame-senin (Roshi), Kami and Tien know the technique. Piccolo (jr) created the reverse-version as self-defense. Cell does not possess this more nor was it ever suggested that he does. The same goes for IT.
 
#2 It does not state Cell can bust a solar-system. It was an english translation error and Also, a Character making the claim he can do it does no evidence make. Meaning; Hyperbole.  #3 Pyron is a being of pure energy. Casually throwing around the same kind of energy is like feeding him snacks. Ki is also not spirit energy, it's life energy. Technically it's all the same thing, but regardless it's what makes up Pyron's essence and why he consumes planets; converts them to energy to maintain his power.  #4 Pyron actually has teleportation and has proven he can travel across interstellar distances at FTL speeds. Since Pyron has no physical body it makes doing any kind of harm to him very tricky. Physically attacking him is all but meaningless. "

HAHAHAHA
OF COUSRSE HE KNOWS IT, HE TELEPORTS BACK TO EARTH FROM KAIOSAMA'S PLANET AND SAYS HE LEARNEDGOKU'S IT, HE HAS ALL THE Z SENSHI'S MOVES UP UNTIL GOKU WENT SSJ, THIS IS STATED IN THE MANGA
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9
No, he didn't say he learned it. In fact they don't explain how he came back. It's just as likely his nucleus remained on Earth after separating from his bloating-explosive-body and regenerated from that, which he did explain he did, and since his nucleus retained the information of his perfect state it's how he regenerated back into that form. And no, he doesn't have all of their moves. he has a number of them, but not all of them. In fact all the moves he showed was just the main peoples most renowned attacks/moves, like Tien's Tri-Beam and Solar Flare moves. He never indicated Dodonpa (though not needed since he just used Freeza's finger-beams instead). 
 
Also, the only technique of Goku's that Cell used was the Kamehameha (really cause Goku only knows like 3 things). He never performed nor stated he could do the Kaioken, which is a move Goku does know, as well as the Spirit Bomb, which frankly would not work for Cell because he's evil. There's also the main difference of making a statement and actually proving it. Cell claiming to have everyone's moves is pure hyperbole until he actually performs them.
Post by Dream (7,087 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@hitsusatsu11:  The only point I can actually agree with from you. When Goku used Shunkan Idou to warp a detonating Cell to Kaio-sama's planet, the physical contact allowed Cell's body to memorize the technique which he uses to get back to Earth after he completely regenerates.
 
Otherwise, I have to agree with ReiKai. Cell can't physically harm a being of pure energy like Pyron. He's screwed royally.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9
It was a one time thing with Cell. For instance, if he really had IT, he woulda used it to avoid getting killed by Gohan. And also, even if ignoring that, he wouldn't have needed to recruit Freeza and them to try and escape from Hell. He coulda just used IT to port out of Hell and back to the Check-in station or some other place in Otherworld and wreak havoc. He didn't. At most he could've traced the path created by Goku from the use of IT and followed it back to Earth, as that makes more sense than him instantly learning the technique which he fails to use or even show he can use later.
Post by Dream (7,087 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@ReiKai:  Or just a big case of PIS. Because I recall Cell having the ability to acquire abilities from those he makes physical contact with.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,703 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Cell has IT, pyron is toast here, cell will solar system bust FTW
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@Dream said:
" @ReiKai:  Or just a big case of PIS. Because I recall Cell having the ability to acquire abilities from those he makes physical contact with. "
That's untrue. Cell only had abilities that were 'installed' into him by Gero's computer via sampling of their genetic material and information, also from having visually seen the techniques themselves (the computer did, over years). If Cell could've learned techniques by just hitting you, he'd have used Vegeta's Final Flash as well, which he didn't. And Masenko, and the Hellzone Grenade, and everyone else's moves simply because he smacked them. It didn't happen like that.
@hitsusatsu11 said:
" Cell has IT, pyron is toast here, cell will solar system bust FTW "

Post by Dream (7,087 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@ReiKai:  I stand corrected then. Okay, no IT in the arsenal then.
 
@hitsusatsu: Judging from that, it seems you're out of means by which to defend your position.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,703 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@ReiKai: @Dream: I know you guys are pretending now, cell clearly has IT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT its laughable that you think different, do I really have to go search for the video and post it as proof or will you (reikai) stop lying? 
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,703 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@ReiKai: @Dream: I won't gloat, actually yes i will, hahahaha nananana hahahaha
 
 



 
Post by Dream (7,087 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@hitsusatsu11:  Then explain why he didn't use the ability to warp away from Gohan's blast nor to try breaking out of Hell in the anime? Not to mention how he would have acquired the ability since ReiKai concluded Cell has no physical ability to "learn" new attacks and that any attack Cell has from the Z Fighters came up to the point when King Cold and Frieza arrived on Earth. Goku didn't arrive on Earth until after Future Trunks killed off both changelings and Dr. Gero felt he collected enough data for Cell's creation up to Frieza's arrival. So there was no point where Cell was able to gain IT as his acquisition of the ability is little more than a boast.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9
It was stated by Gero himself that he had no need to follow Goku into space since he calculated Goku's power would continue to increase over time, plus by that point he had already acquired a data sampling from Goku prior to his leaving for Namek, thus there was no way Gero would've known about Super Saiyans (which he didn't) nor would he have gone after more of Goku's genes after coming back to Earth, which is after he had learned IT on Yardret.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,703 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Dream: @ReiKai: are you guys joking, when he blew up kaio's planet he IT back to earth, HE SAYS HE KNOWS IT IN THE SCAN I SHOWED frankly everyone who watches or reads the cell saga knows this, the reason he did not IT out of hell? IDK maybe cause it was FILLER.
 
does it make sense cell is perfect when he spit out 18? No, he explains because of the explosion he regenerated into his perfect form, intact even more perfect, and learned goku's it, thats how he got from kaio's back to earth. You guys are being stubborn or trolling by ignoring my scan, either post proof that SPC doesn't know IT (there of course is none) or accept the SCANS.

" @hitsusatsu11:  Then explain why he didn't use the ability to warp away from Gohan's blast nor to try breaking out of Hell in the anime? Not to mention how he would have acquired the ability since ReiKai concluded Cell has no physical ability to "learn" new attacks and that any attack Cell has from the Z Fighters came up to the point when King Cold and Frieza arrived on Earth. Goku didn't arrive on Earth until after Future Trunks killed off both changelings and Dr. Gero felt he collected enough data for Cell's creation up to Frieza's arrival. So there was no point where Cell was able to gain IT as his acquisition of the ability is little more than a boast. "

WHAT THE HELL DOES IT MATTER WHAT REIKAI CONCLUDES? I have posted a scan proving SPC knows IT
 

" It was stated by Gero himself that he had no need to follow Goku into space since he calculated Goku's power would continue to increase over time, plus by that point he had already acquired a data sampling from Goku prior to his leaving for Namek, thus there was no way Gero would've known about Super Saiyans (which he didn't) nor would he have gone after more of Goku's genes after coming back to Earth, which is after he had learned IT on Yardret. "

Cell at first did not know IT only after he explodes on kaiosamas planet.
 
 

@Dream

said:

" @ReiKai:  I stand corrected then. Okay, no IT in the arsenal then.
 
@hitsusatsu: Judging from that, it seems you're out of means by which to defend your position. "


Wrong again dream
Post by Dream (7,087 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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Or at the very least, video proof (since scanlations could be tampered with). ReiKai, it looks like you screwed this little fact up. The end of this video (from the remade dub).
  
 
Though as I've said before, IT's only reliable for warping between locations (hitsusatsu, don't go thinking of speed-blitzing arguments. IT's only good for warping and its only use in battle being Goku bluffing to planet-bust.) So Cell having it for this battle means squat since he wouldn't be able to physically harm a being of pure energy like Pyron. I still agree with ReiKai's other points in this battle.
Post by MisterShin (2,122 posts) See mini bio Level 14
In the Dragon Ball verse several people posses Mimicary, they can copy an opponents techniques simply by watching it.  As you can see many people posses Mimicary in Dragon Ball.
Goku with kamehameha (watches roshi do it)  
Goku with afterimage (watches Roshi do it) 
Goku with destructo disk (watches Krillin do it)
Android 18 with destructo disk (watches krillin do it)
Krillin with afterimage (watches roshi do it)
Goku with Solar Flare ( watches Tien do it)
Krillin with Solar Flare (watches Tien do it)
Tien with kamehameha
Chiaozu with self-destruct (watches saibaman do it)
Majin Buu with self-destruct (watches vegeta do it)
Majin Buu with Instant Movement/Kai Kai (watches kaioshin do it) 
Roshi with Mafuba Wave (watches his master mutaitio do it)
Tien with Mafuba Wave (watches roshi do it)
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9
1. Goku is a Saiyan with martial arts training by Old Gohan who was a disciple/friend of Kame-Senin (Roshi). Goku does not have mimicry so much as a natural born ability to use ki. Also his Kamehameha at the time was utterly pathetic and barely took off a car door. Goku also trains with Roshi that helps further his abilities to learn all said things. Also, Goku did withness tien use the Flying Technique, but never learned it himself until sometime after 23rd Budokai, meaning he didn't/couldn't mimic it, because he has no such ability to. Also, never seen Goku perform Destructo Disc, ever.
 
2. Destructo Disc is not original. Freeza does a similar attack, only doubled, and controlled the discs. Freeza never saw or met Tien, for Dodonpa, but still had finger beams all the same.
 
3. Tien witnessed Roshi perform it, an then Trained himself in how to do it. He did not simply learn it from just seeing it right then and there. He had to self-learn and perfect the move, as with everyone else in the series. Seeing the technique doesn't mean you learn it automatically. It still takes time, effort and training in order to do that.
 
Basically, your whole argument is bunk and you should give up trying to interject some useless, biased and completely untrue statements ever again.
Post by MisterShin (2,122 posts) See mini bio Level 14
1. So he did not see Krillin do destructo disk, so what then it was Frieza destructo disk that he copied then, just not the controlled movement part.  Goku uses destructo disk against Super Buu (Gotenks absorbed) straight after teleporting.
 
2. Freiza copyed Krillin destructo disk, Freiza death beam is different from Dodonpa, hense the different name,, have you seen dodonpa launching in quick succession.
 
3.  Explain Majin Buu then, Copyed Kaioshin teleport, copyed kaioshin telekinetic eye blast, copyed vegeta self-destruct, copyed kamehameha.
SSJ3 Gotenks copy Majin Buu open a hole in dimension by shouting.
Tien still only saw Roshi perform the Mafuba once, and knew the workings of the technique. LOL. So i dont know what ur chatting about.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9
You do realize none of your points actually have any evidence to support them, right? Goku used a similar move on Super Buu, and he's been friends with and has trained with Krilling for decades. It has never been a case of mimicry. It has always revolved around training and perfection.
 
As for Buu, you ignore the fact he had absorbe the Supreme Kais more than a thousand years prior and already had their abilities. Plus he's also a Magical creature, and magic defies logic. Not that you have any working form of logic of which to speak of.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,703 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Dream said:

" Or at the very least, video proof (since scanlations could be tampered with). ReiKai, it looks like you screwed this little fact up. The end of this video (from the remade dub).
  

 
IS THIS ACTUALLY A CONCESSION? scans could be tampered with, ya ill just go and tamper with scans to prove my point. Remade dub? Its called OCEAN dub.
 
IT can't be used to speed blitz? You know after you are repeatedly wrong with dbz facts that i thought were common knowledge i don't think your in a position To determine what IT can or cannot do, since you barely know who uses it. 
 
IT kamehame against cell is speedblitz, thats proof it can be used in battle, if you want look at cooler movie where cooler and goku have an entire "IT" battle if you want corroborative proof from a secondary canon source. Pyron can not touch cell.
 
Pyron being pure energy means little to cell, who's spiritual energy (ki) is more powerfully destructive than pyron.
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