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Jimbei was able to stalemate current Luffy in combat. Sanji doesnt stand a chance. Maybe he will as the series progresses, but right now he gets murked
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Topic started by Marco_Kidd on Jan. 28, 2012.
Last post by taichokage 3 months, 2 weeks ago.
I don't understand this at all, Sanji? You mean the one who's never done anything impressive? How on earth would he defeat a former member of the shibiyukai?
@Haofan123 said:
Jimbei was able to stalemate current Luffy in combat. Sanji doesnt stand a chance. Maybe he will as the series progresses, but right now he gets murked
This. The fight would be over in seconds.
@GIRUGAMESH: How has Sanji done nothing impressive, he's one of the monster trio, pretty much dominated his fight with Jyabura in Enies lobby while zoro struggled with the barely stonger Kaku and pretty much everything else he's done in the entire series. And thats just pre time skip Sanji, post time skip he's much stronger than that.
But post time skip Sanji isn't as powerful as post time skip Luffy who only stalemated Jinbei. Even Ace, before becoming Jinbei's friend fought him for 3 days straight but neither gained the upper hand. And Jinbei even beat a fellow shichibukai Moria with relative ease while it took the whole pre time skip Strawhat crew to barely beat him. Sanji could put up a fight at this point, but he isn't stronger than Jinbei yet.
@taichokage: Throwing a couple of hits each hardly counts as a real fight to a stalemate, if they were fighting for real Luffy would have won. I think most would agree that if sanji for arguments sake had a way for his kicks to do as much damage to Luffy as it would to anyone else, that a fight between them would be a pretty huge and destructive fight. Saying that i think a fight between Sanji and Jimbe would be a very competitive fight at least.
@Marco_Kidd said:
@taichokage: Throwing a couple of hits each hardly counts as a real fight to a stalemate
This
Luffy didnt look serious in that "fight" to me..It's almost as stupid as that guy on here who keeps bringing up Kizaru being scared of Ben Beckmans gun, its obviously more than that e.g. a Haki infused attack *shake my head*
@Marco_Kidd: Well it's true; I'm not calling him a weakling or anything, but considering the series as a whole Sanji is mid-tier at best. Jinbei, on the other hand, was a member of the Shibiyukai, which consisted some of the strongest characters in the series.
@taichokage said:
But post time skip Sanji isn't as powerful as post time skip Luffy who only stalemated Jinbei. Even Ace, before becoming Jinbei's friend fought him for 3 days straight but neither gained the upper hand. And Jinbei even beat a fellow shichibukai Moria with relative ease while it took the whole pre time skip Strawhat crew to barely beat him. Sanji could put up a fight at this point, but he isn't stronger than Jinbei yet.
This. Unless people want to start arguing that current Sanji > the whole crew pre-time skip (feel free to, though you may look like an idiot), I don't say how you can say that Sanje could win here. If Jinbe's having a bad day then Sanje will put up a decent fight, that's as far as it goes.
@GIRUGAMESH: Tbh in a post time skip Sanji vs pre time skip Straw Hat crew he would probably do quite well, the only thing that would get to him would be them blitzing him from every direction especially when you consider Luffy's gear second speed. I firmly believe if Sanji fought the entire pre time skip crew in a 1 on 1 gauntlet without rest he would win 9/10 times.
@Marco_Kidd: Interesting, I doubt it would be that high but it's beside the point anyway; it took the straw hats together to beat Moria, nevermind a gauntlet. Current Sanji could probably beat any of them before the time-skip, maybe in a gauntlet, but together? No way has he improved that much. And Jinbe was able to beat Moria without much effort; IMO if Jinbe had joined the crew, he would have been easily one of the strongest members, maybe the strongest (neither Luffy not Jinbe were being overly serious in that fight).
@GIRUGAMESH: As much as i love One Piece i have to say i call bad writing on the fight between Jimbe and Moria. I know it sounds like a desperate argument but its just doesn't make sence that he could practically one shot someone who's supposed to be on a similar power level to him being a fellow shikibukai. Besides the point as far as i remember and iv seen this fight many times, the entire Straw hat crew never actually fought Moria himself (besides i suppose Robins very small contribution damage wise) If was Only ever Luffy who did any damage to Moria and tha vast Majority of that was in his Extremely powerful Nightmare form, giving further credence that the ease in which Jimbe defeated Moria doesn't make sence on any kind of power scale. ps. Sorry it took so long to reply.
@Marco_Kidd:
I know it sounds like a desperate argument but its just doesn't make sence that he could practically one shot someone who's supposed to be on a similar power level to him being a fellow shikibukai.
I would like to see a statement of someone saying that the Shikibukai are equal in strength.
Shikibukai is just a title, to put fear into other pirates. Heck, Buggy might be one judging from the letter he got and he so weak
Jimbe is a martial artist who can mess you up from the end side and Moria just a guy who can make an army of zombies (who is also very lazy). I believe Moria is the weakness Shikibukai because of his lazy personality (also Moria was deemed to be to weak to be a Shikibukai after the war)
On that note however, it has been shown that while all are elites, the shichibukai are not all even. For instance, if the straw hat crew pre time skip and possibly even now had faced Kuma instead of Moria in a serious battle, the story would have ended there because Kuma is way ahead of the straw hats in speed, durability and hax and would have annihilated the whole crew. If they had faced Doflamingo it would have been worse. Jinbei defeated Moria fairly easily it's true, but then look how he fared against Mihawk. They only clashed once but Mihawk had the upper hand showing that he was probably notably more skilled than Jinbei.
@taichokage said:
On that note however, it has been shown that while all are elites, the shichibukai are not all even. For instance, if the straw hat crew pre time skip and possibly even now had faced Kuma instead of Moria in a serious battle, the story would have ended there because Kuma is way ahead of the straw hats in speed, durability and hax and would have annihilated the whole crew. If they had faced Doflamingo it would have been worse. Jinbei defeated Moria fairly easily it's true, but then look how he fared against Mihawk. They only clashed once but Mihawk had the upper hand showing that he was probably notably more skilled than Jinbei.
wasnt the fight between mihawk and jinbei filler? either way, i agree with you. The shichibukais strength varies
Oh yeah I thought it might have been. But yes the shichibukai vary in strength. Just look at Teach. Although he was a Shichibukai for a short period, he was definitely a stronger member and in current times, he has ascended to the only level of pirate recognized as above the shichibukai.
@Destinyheroknight: I never said they were exactly equal just that with them both being shikibukai there power should be at least close to equal or at least not too far off. And if Buggy does become a shikibukai it's obviously more of a joke than anything and as a result of him misleading others into thinking he's very powerful.
@Marco_Kidd:
You are making it sound like the Shikibukai are equal in strength.
The Shikibukai are at different in strength but still strong next to other pirates. Jimbie have speed, strength and skill then Moria.
Jimbie is a fishmen who are stronger then humans by 10x and also he have been training all of his life. Now put him against a guy who mostly use his devil fruit powers and lie on his back most of the time and is really overconfident because of his power
@Destinyheroknight: Jimbe should be stronger than Moria if a straight up fight i agree, alhough he really shouldn't be that much stronger than him, not enough to one shot him at least. For example Whitebeard was supossed to be the strongest of the yonkou, but if he effortlessly beat the crap out of Shanks would you or would you not call bad writing on that?
@Marco_Kidd:
For example Whitebeard was supossed to be the strongest of the yonkou, but if he effortlessly beat the crap out of Shanks would you or would you not call bad writing on that?
That not a good example, we see the Yonko are at equal strength or at lease close to each other strength (see Whitebeard Vs Shanks fight).
Jimbe mess up Moria's insides with his Samegawara Seiken (also he hit the guy in the neck) anyone would be knock out from that. (You really making this into a big deal)
Let me give you my example, a body builder with little to no skill and is overconfident vs a martial artist who have equal strength but is faster. The Martial artist have a move to KO someone in one hit, the body builder won't be able to avoid it because of the lack of speed and skill to do so. The Martial artist will win do to his speed and skill. It not bad writing
I actually think Buggy is underrated. One he has incredible luck in getting out of situations. Two, he attracts followers without even trying, including those of impel down caliber. Three, he isn't actually that weak, especially since he does possess a weapon that can decimate at least several city blocks and remember that he was a fellow pirate of the yokou Shanks in the crew of Roger himself and actually would have suceeded at killing Luffy had Dragon not interfered. And four, you never know what happens in a time skip. Coby started as a cabin boy but ascended to a Master Chief Petty Officer, learned a rokushiki technique and even unlocked haki all before the time skip. Believe it when I say that Coby will be a force to be reckoned with before the end. But that was to give an example. Maybe Buggy has finally started to actually train and during a two year gap has gained respectable power. Blackbeard, Akainu and Smoker have already gone from rookie, admiral and captain to King, Fleet Admiral and Vice Admiral over the time skip. I wouldn't be very surprised if Buggy became a shichibukai.
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