Piccolo Vs. Pikkon

Topic started by Newdeath on July 19, 2009. Last post by DBZ_universe 1 year ago.
Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19
Any takers?
Post by Sonata (35,509 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Moderator
What Saga Piccolo are we talking about here?
Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@Sonata said:
" What Saga Piccolo are we talking about here? "
Majin Buu Saga Piccolo and for an alternate battle, Piccolo during his last moment of life in GT before dying.
Post by vegeta (162 posts) See mini bio Level 14
piccolo  he is alrready fused with kami so pic
Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@vegeta said:
" piccolo  he is alrready fused with kami so pic "
Explain why you think Piccolo wins. I agree that he wins I just want to here more on your theory of why he wins since you merely stated it in a brief sentence.
Post by vegeta (162 posts) See mini bio Level 14
umm because when he is fused with kami hes stronger than goku and vegeta in ss1 remember  and besides piccaho is the smartest fighter on the show
Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@vegeta said:
" umm because when he is fused with kami hes stronger than goku and vegeta in ss1 remember  and besides piccaho is the smartest fighter on the show "
Vegeta is the smartest and most tactical fighter in the show, Piccolo is the wisest fighter there is a difference. Piccolo after absorbing Kami was more powerful than an untrained Super Saiyan since he was shown matching Android 17 in terms of pure power who is on par with Android 18 who easily defeated an untrained SSJ Vegeta. When Cell absorbed Android 17 he was obviously more powerful than Piccolo since Piccolo was on par with Android 17 however Vegeta appeared in the scene with a new transformation which he named himself "Super Vegeta" which proved to be too much for Cell (absorbed Android 17) to handle which proves that Vegeta was more powerful than Piccolo during the Cell Games. Now as for Goku, Goku spent a very long time training in his SSJ form in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to perfect the form mentally and physically, during the end of his training session he perfected his SSJ form which is called "Full Power Super Saiyan" which is the form Goku used against Perfect Cell which proved to be an even match for Cell however Goku lost because Cell possessed inexhaustible stamina while Goku did not which is not a difference in power. SSJ Goku is more powerful than Piccolo and so is SSJ Vegeta since he also trained a limited amount of time in his SSJ form, since Piccolo was a match for Android 17, Perfect Cell had more power than Android 17 and SSJ Goku was able to match him in terms of power but lost the battle because of loss of stamina and Cell is functionally tireless due to absorbing the two androids, Cell (absorbed 17) was no match against Vegeta however Piccolo was not as powerful as him during that period of time. I merely explained that during the Cell Saga, both Goku and Vegeta were more powerful than Piccolo in their SSJ forms however after the Cell Saga, Piccolo did surpass their SSJ forms however in the Cell Saga he was inferior to them. I agree that Piccolo wins though.
Post by vegeta (162 posts) See mini bio Level 14
@Newdeath said:
"@vegeta said:
" umm because when he is fused with kami hes stronger than goku and vegeta in ss1 remember  and besides piccaho is the smartest fighter on the show "
Vegeta is the smartest and most tactical fighter in the show, Piccolo is the wisest fighter there is a difference. Piccolo after absorbing Kami was more powerful than an untrained Super Saiyan since he was shown matching Android 17 in terms of pure power who is on par with Android 18 who easily defeated an untrained SSJ Vegeta. When Cell absorbed Android 17 he was obviously more powerful than Piccolo since Piccolo was on par with Android 17 however Vegeta appeared in the scene with a new transformation which he named himself "Super Vegeta" which proved to be too much for Cell (absorbed Android 17) to handle which proves that Vegeta was more powerful than Piccolo during the Cell Games. Now as for Goku, Goku spent a very long time training in his SSJ form in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to perfect the form mentally and physically, during the end of his training session he perfected his SSJ form which is called "Full Power Super Saiyan" which is the form Goku used against Perfect Cell which proved to be an even match for Cell however Goku lost because Cell possessed inexhaustible stamina while Goku did not which is not a difference in power. SSJ Goku is more powerful than Piccolo and so is SSJ Vegeta since he also trained a limited amount of time in his SSJ form, since Piccolo was a match for Android 17, Perfect Cell had more power than Android 17 and SSJ Goku was able to match him in terms of power but lost the battle because of loss of stamina and Cell is functionally tireless due to absorbing the two androids, Cell (absorbed 17) was no match against Vegeta however Piccolo was not as powerful as him during that period of time. I merely explained that during the Cell Saga, both Goku and Vegeta were more powerful than Piccolo in their SSJ forms however after the Cell Saga, Piccolo did surpass their SSJ forms however in the Cell Saga he was inferior to them. I agree that Piccolo wins though.
"

sorry i pmed you on accident
Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@vegeta said:
" @Newdeath said:
"@vegeta said:
" umm because when he is fused with kami hes stronger than goku and vegeta in ss1 remember  and besides piccaho is the smartest fighter on the show "
Vegeta is the smartest and most tactical fighter in the show, Piccolo is the wisest fighter there is a difference. Piccolo after absorbing Kami was more powerful than an untrained Super Saiyan since he was shown matching Android 17 in terms of pure power who is on par with Android 18 who easily defeated an untrained SSJ Vegeta. When Cell absorbed Android 17 he was obviously more powerful than Piccolo since Piccolo was on par with Android 17 however Vegeta appeared in the scene with a new transformation which he named himself "Super Vegeta" which proved to be too much for Cell (absorbed Android 17) to handle which proves that Vegeta was more powerful than Piccolo during the Cell Games. Now as for Goku, Goku spent a very long time training in his SSJ form in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to perfect the form mentally and physically, during the end of his training session he perfected his SSJ form which is called "Full Power Super Saiyan" which is the form Goku used against Perfect Cell which proved to be an even match for Cell however Goku lost because Cell possessed inexhaustible stamina while Goku did not which is not a difference in power. SSJ Goku is more powerful than Piccolo and so is SSJ Vegeta since he also trained a limited amount of time in his SSJ form, since Piccolo was a match for Android 17, Perfect Cell had more power than Android 17 and SSJ Goku was able to match him in terms of power but lost the battle because of loss of stamina and Cell is functionally tireless due to absorbing the two androids, Cell (absorbed 17) was no match against Vegeta however Piccolo was not as powerful as him during that period of time. I merely explained that during the Cell Saga, both Goku and Vegeta were more powerful than Piccolo in their SSJ forms however after the Cell Saga, Piccolo did surpass their SSJ forms however in the Cell Saga he was inferior to them. I agree that Piccolo wins though.
"
sorry i pmed you on accident "
No problem. 
Post by Sonata (35,509 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Moderator
At the end of the Cell saga Pikkon was stronger than Piccolo seeing as Pikkon easily defeated perfect Cell in other world, but Piccolo wins easily in DBGT.
Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@Sonata said:
" At the end of the Cell saga Pikkon was stronger than Piccolo seeing as Pikkon easily defeated perfect Cell in other world, but Piccolo wins easily in DBGT. "
Indeed.
Post by FLCL1 (3,935 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Piccolo wins
Post by maigret (220 posts) See mini bio Level 7
Piccolo from Gt wins.....he survived possesed Gohan's kamehameha while he wore his cape,making him stronger than Cell....Pikkon was weaker than Cell,the janemba movie happened in an other universe....
Post by mavfan626 (94 posts) See mini bio Level 10
I don't understand how Piccolo wins, Piccolo never showed any change in power level since he fused with kami and how is Pikkon weaker then Cell?
Post by maigret (220 posts) See mini bio Level 7
since Piccolo survived the kamehameha,we can assume that he increased his strength....Pikkon was equal to Goku,and we never saw him again in the series...if Gt Piccolo fought DBZ Pikkon,Piccolo would win...the janemba movie isnt cannon....
Post by FormerCrimsonKing (4,486 posts) See mini bio Level 15
@maigret: last time i checked, pikkon was non canon and he's in this battle so why wouldnt we include his feats from that movie?
Post by maigret (220 posts) See mini bio Level 7
in that caseor  we can assume that they have the same strength but Piccolo can increase his size,lengthen his arms and use the Light grenade or the wave thar used against Cell....
Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,203 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@maigret said:
since Piccolo survived the kamehameha,we can assume that he increased his strength....Pikkon was equal to Goku,and we never saw him again in the series...if Gt Piccolo fought DBZ Pikkon,Piccolo would win...the janemba movie isnt cannon....
GT isn't cannon. 
  
But anywho, any version of Piccolo gets owned by Pikkon. Piccolo in cell saga was shown to be vastly weaker than perfect cell, yet Pikkon was shown to be more powerful than perfect cell.  
 
Piccolo<<<2nd form cell 
Piccolo<<<<<<Perfect Cell 
Piccolo<<<<<<<<Pikkon 
 
Plus there was nothign to suggest that he had become stronger since the cell games, meaning his power in the buu saga was likely equal to or slightly greater than his power in the cell saga. Plus even if we are considering GT, Piccolo still loses, as feats indicate that GT<<<<<<<<<<<<DBZ in terms of power. 
 
Pikkon wins in every case.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Pakuhan>SPC=Dabra>Piccolo is the way I look at it, perhaps end of Z (when they meet Uub) and surely GT Piccolo would win thiough.
Post by MisterShin (2,125 posts) See mini bio Level 14
Cell Games: 
SSJ2 Gohan > Super Perfect Cell > SSJ Gohan = Perfect Cell > SSJ Goku (Goku admitted Cell was stronger) 
SSJ Trunks = SSJ Vegeta = Piccolo = Cell.Jr > Semi-Pefect Cell  

Otherworld: 
Perfect Cell > SSJ Goku = Pikkon (Pikkon was equal to Goku, Goku is weaker than Perfect Cell)
 
@GIRUGAMESH: Pikkon is not cannon either.  

Piccolo did increase in power between Cell Games & Buu Saga. Piccolo's Regeneration improved, his entire body was shattered to pieces and he regenerated very quickly like Cell. Plus Piccolo was shown training before the Buu Saga Tournament.
 
Pikkon was never shown to be stronger than Perfect Cell, he simply caught Cell off guard and got to shots on him. Cell was going after Goku remember.  
--------------------------------------------------------------------- 
DBZ Piccolo = Win, mainly due to better techniques (Light Grenade, Hellzone Grenade, Special Beam Cannon) and improved regeneration.
GT Piccolo = Win (He is now the Boss of Hell, he can crush the likes of Cell with ease like Kid Goku did)
Mandatory Network

Submissions can take several hours to be approved.

Save ChangesCancel