Orochimaru and Kabuto vs Kakuzu and Hidan

Topic started by nishi99 on Oct. 23, 2012. Last post by Dream 1 year, 11 months ago.
Post by nishi99 (1,706 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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Orochimaru and Kabuto

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Kakuzu and Hiden

Prep Time

In Character

Character Versions No Edo's or Edo Tensei and Kabuto does not have Orochimaru's powers or Sage Mode.

Setting Hidden Rain Village

Post by taichokage (13,367 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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Team 1. Prep time means Edo tensei. 'nuff said. Besides, Kabuto has sage mode now, not a power Orochimaru achieved. He is arguably the biggest threat.
Post by nishi99 (1,706 posts) See mini bio Level 11
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@taichokage: My bad i forgot about Sage Mode so i will take that out. And just to be fair no Edo Tensei.

Post by SMXLR8 (7,196 posts) See mini bio Level 16

team 1 since team 2 was beaten by naruto, shika , ino and cho

Post by taichokage (13,367 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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Yeah. Even though I don't approve of removing Kabuto's two greatest assets, I still say team 1. Orochimaru held his own against 4 tailed Naruto and Kabuto did similarly with Tsunade. Hidan was probably the weakest akatsuki member. He lost to Shikamaru and Kakuzu lost to base Naruto.
Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Kabuto would just make Hidan his bitch by messing up all his motor neuron signals, then just cut his head from his body.

Kakazu's the threat here but all in all I don't see him winning against Orochimaru and all his various jutsu. Even if he does edge it, Kabuto will tip the favour back in Team 1's favour.

Post by 5th (1,247 posts) See mini bio Level 10
Sorry but Team 2 is outnumbered by 2 against 1 (Lol Hidan shouldn't even count as a major factor), though I can see Orochimaru beating Kakuzu with mid-difficulty (That's only if he has prep); though Kakuzu alone could possibly beat Oro with high-difficulty. 
Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,961 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Team 1. Easily to be completely honest.

Post by UltimateHero0406 (5,041 posts) See mini bio Level 16

This is pretty much 2 on 1. Hidan is worthless if he doesn't have a blood sample. Should he lose his head and Kakuzu not be there to reattach it, he is done. Team 2 gets overwhelmed.

Post by xlab3000 (1,395 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Team 1

Post by sickVisionz (4,289 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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I'm gonna be the lone wolf and go with Team 2. Orochimaru will likely have his hands full with Kakazu. Kakazu has noticeably more battle experience and unlike most of the people Orochimaru fights, Kakazu can do top level jutsu in a wide variety of elements. Oro and him are probably the top two jutsu users when it comes to variety of jutsu and number of jutsu they can perform.

Kabuto... I like Kabuto but I don't know what this guy can do against someone like Hidan. I don't think he has the hand-to-hand skills or is agile enough to battle against Hidan and not even get scratched once.

I think the fight will come down to Orochimaru having to deal with Hidan and Kakuzu at once. The strategy there will be Hidan engages Orochimaru in hand-to-hand and constantly applies pressure while Kakazu stays a safe distance away and uses his monsters to spam mid to long range attacks or he keeps the monsters inside of him and floods the battlefield with top level attacks in every element. Orochimaru will be able to dodge and do counter that force them to block and reposition themselves but he has to be perfect because one scratch and it's over. His body vomitting may get him out of one or two Hidan attacks but that's not a jutsu he can spam and all day without running out of chakra.

Let Orochimaru make one or two Edo or give Kabuto Sage Mode and this fight actually becomes a battle imo, but as it is, it's Team 2 all the way imo.

Post by taichokage (13,367 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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Actually Kabuto showed high proficiency in h2h. He had a brief scuffle with Tsunade and came out unacathed. Plus his healing skills are probably second only to Tsunade. The guy is better than Orochimaru at a lot. Also he can summon Manda and snakes, prior to absorbing Orochimaru's abilities so he should still have that in this fight. I still think that Hidn is the weakest link.
Post by sickVisionz (4,289 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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@taichokage: Tsunade is a medical ninja though. Her hand-to-hand is significantly worse than someone who's entire fighting style is based on hand-to-hand. In addition, she didn't seem to be all that into her battle for the most part. Also, great healing skills are irrelevant in a battle where one hit kills you.

In addition, I know Manda's giant ass doesn't have the agility to not get grazed a single time against Hidan. Summoning something that large is a waste unless you're planning on using it like like a shield, similar to what Sasuke did.

Post by taichokage (13,367 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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Hidan's ritual takes time and distraction though. Manda could gobble him up or crush him or distract Hidan while Kabuto sneak attacks him. Same for the smaller snakes only they'd need to summon a good deal of them. Hidan is disadvantaged because the guy pretty is close range only and not the most effective at that. Plus his only hax attack takes time. He is saved by his immortality, but that hardly helps his poor durability.
Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@sickVisionz: Kabuto's a great ninja, Kakashi commented that Kabuto was at least on his level and this was while Kabuto was still hiding pretty much all his skills.

Plus his fighting Tsunade on equal grounds is no mean feat. Even if she specialises in medical jutsu, she's still considered to more powerful than most jonin level ninjas and she is still the Kage of the Leaf.

Post by sickVisionz (4,289 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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@ohgodwhy: Kakashi made that comment when Kabuto was able to run away from a fight. A definite feat considering how much subterfuge he did but I always assume that in battle threads, running away from the battle is an automatic loss.

In addition, Tsunade is a Hokage but she isn't the best fighter. She is a medic. She stays in the back and avoids attacks. Fighting on equal ground with someone who specializes in avoiding combat at all costs isn't the same the same as fighting someone whose primary approach is offense.

@taichokage: Manda gobbling him means nothing. A giant snake gobbled Naruto and he blew it up from the inside out. The Kyuubi gobbled those two brother they just messed it up from the inside and broke out. Gobbling is far from instant KO and that's assuming that Hidan, who displayed speed and agility at least on par with Kakashi during their fight, would even get gobbled in the first place.

As far as time, it takes like 3 seconds for Hidan to make that seal. Technically prep time but functionally not.

Also, I like how you mention being a close range fighter is negative for Hidan yet seem to have forgotten that a guy who fights with scalpels and his fist (way shorter range than Kakuzu's scythe) is also a close range fighter.

Giving Kabuto hand to hand skills on par with Sharingan Kakashi (or saying that Kakashi only has a pre-sage Kabuto level offense) is baseless imo.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,541 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@sickVisionz: Him retreating wasn't an act of cowardice. Would you say Itachi was a coward when both him and Kisame retreated from Guy? Kabuto only retreated because he didn't want to show Kakashi his skills and he was likely aware that had they both fought, reinforcements would have arrived.

Plus, even taking into account he hasn't got Orochimaru's powers, he's still got Karin's ridiculous healing and Suigetsu's liquid evasion techniques.

In comparison, Hidan was fighting equally against Asuma and got beaten by Shikimaru.

I don't see Hidan winning this at all. When Kabuto messes up all his neurons, he's going to be in trouble.

Post by Dream (7,664 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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Gonna have to go with Team 1 winning this match with some difficulty. 
 
While Hidan's scythe gives him a ranged advantage over Kabuto in combat thanks to his ability to control its movements at far ranges, it's still a non-lethal weapon that he uses to inflict cuts on his foe for his ritual, which would bite him in the ass here as his ritual requires a decent amount of time to prepare and give enough of an opening for Kabuto to go in for an attack at melee range with his medic-nin jutsu to either incapacitate or cripple the religious fanatic. 
 
As for Kakuzu and Orochimaru, I believe Orochimaru's snake summons, Kusanagi sword, his cunning with hit-and-run tactics/ deception and regenerative abilities will aid him greatly here. While Kakuzu's use of his hearts in using multiple elemental attacks would be enough to overwhelm foes lacking any large-scale attack or defense to counter them, Orochimaru has such means at his disposal between his summons of snakes and Rashomon gates as said elemental attacks from Kakuzu are nowhere at the destructive scale that could be mustered from Pein's city-busting Shinra Tensei, Deidara's more stronger clay bombs and the Bijuu Bomb. The Kusanagi Sword from Orochimaru was implied to be stronger than diamond when it was capable of inflicting damage onto the Adamantine Staff used by the Third Hokage in Orochimaru's battle with him in the Konoha Invasion arc, meaning it should be capable of piercing Kakuzu's body if he tried making use of his Earth Spear technique. The snake summons won't have to be used for gobbling up foes as they could be used by Orochimaru as both defense and to dispatch the hearts being used by Kakuzu for his elemental jutsu. Hell, he could even use the Kusanagi sword to destroy the hearts from far range as the sword is capable of growing to ridiculous lengths. 
 
The Zombie Combo would have the means to make Orochi and Kabuto exert some effort in fighting them off. But I don't see the two Akatsuki members being capable of dispatching their more cunning foes.
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