Natsu Dragneel Vs Gildarts Rematch

Topic started by Ikki_Minami_ on June 7, 2013. Last post by DBZ_universe 1 year, 3 months ago.
Post by Ikki_Minami_ (1,033 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Natsu Dragneel Vs Gildarts

Rules

Scenario 1: Current Natsu

Scenario 2: Lightning Flame Dragon

Scenario 3: Atlas Empowered Natsu

- No holding back

- Both serious and in character

- No PIS or BS

- No prep

- No morality

- Win by death

Location: Domus Flau

Post by DBZ_universe (15,725 posts) See mini bio Level 17

Gildarts STOMPS all rounds

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

You know its funny, LFD Natsu technically defeated Hades before he took off his patch, and Hades with the patch on effortlessly took on Makarov and defeated him.

Could Gildarts have done better?

Post by SensitivePsych0 (84 posts) See mini bio Level 7

@321zigzag1: Although i read fairy tail occasionally, i feel like it is a giant PIS manga.

Getting back to the subject, I just don't see Natsu being able to do anything. Gildarts wins all.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@SensitivePsych0 said:

@321zigzag1: Although i read fairy tail occasionally, i feel like it is a giant PIS manga.

Getting back to the subject, I just don't see Natsu being able to do anything. Gildarts wins all.

It is full of plot induced stupidities but still you have to give reasons why.

Fairy Tail may make Bleach powerscaling logical in comparison but if LFD Natsu loses to Gildarts then GIldarts has to be stronger than Makarov (which isn't wrong to assume) or Gildarts could defeat Hades.

In fact take in mind that this is Natsu after time skip 2nd origin awakening.

Gildarts nor Makarov while still top tier in FT never received a boost.

Also 3rd scenario Natsu is weaker than 2nd one.

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

1. Gildartz has very few feats so pointless thread is pointless(basically hype vs feats here)

2. Current Natsu is Atlas flame empowered Natsu(derp?)

Post by DBZ_universe (15,725 posts) See mini bio Level 17

@321zigzag1: Fairy Tail was going all out on Acnologia yet Gildarts said that it was just playing and it wasn't using the power it used on him. That statement alone>>Natsu since by the looks of it Acnologia went all out on Gildarts and Gildarts alone must of gave Acnologia a better fight than what Fairy Tail did.

In the recent chapter that Gildarts appeared he destroyed an entire village just by tripping. Natsu needs to get fired up to accomplish such feat.

Gildarts magic level alone made Natsu cry.

Makarov cannot beat Gildarts and I don't remember in the manga them saying that Makarov>Gildarts.

The only mage that can beat Gildarts is Jellal.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@DBZ_universe said:

@321zigzag1: Fairy Tail was going all out on Acnologia yet Gildarts said that it was just playing and it wasn't using the power it used on him. That statement alone>>Natsu since by the looks of it Acnologia went all out on Gildarts and Gildarts alone must of gave Acnologia a better fight than what Fairy Tail did.

In the recent chapter that Gildarts appeared he destroyed an entire village just by tripping. Natsu needs to get fired up to accomplish such feat.

Gildarts magic level alone made Natsu cry.

Makarov cannot beat Gildarts and I don't remember in the manga them saying that Makarov>Gildarts.

The only mage that can beat Gildarts is Jellal.

Nope.

Gildarts got destroyed. He lost a his left leg and left arm and an organ I believe in a blitz. Gildarts couldn't even fight back.

That village is really tiny. LFD Natsu's final blast had a much bigger range and power and Tenrou Island is only few kilometers at best.

Gildart's magic made Base Natsu in preskip cry. There is a vast difference.

Future Rouge and Hades > Gildarts as of this point. Don't get me wrong there are only very few who could beat him in FT.

Post by DBZ_universe (15,725 posts) See mini bio Level 17

@321zigzag1 said:

@DBZ_universe said:

@321zigzag1: Fairy Tail was going all out on Acnologia yet Gildarts said that it was just playing and it wasn't using the power it used on him. That statement alone>>Natsu since by the looks of it Acnologia went all out on Gildarts and Gildarts alone must of gave Acnologia a better fight than what Fairy Tail did.

In the recent chapter that Gildarts appeared he destroyed an entire village just by tripping. Natsu needs to get fired up to accomplish such feat.

Gildarts magic level alone made Natsu cry.

Makarov cannot beat Gildarts and I don't remember in the manga them saying that Makarov>Gildarts.

The only mage that can beat Gildarts is Jellal.

Nope.

Gildarts got destroyed. He lost a his left leg and left arm and an organ I believe in a blitz. Gildarts couldn't even fight back.

That village is really tiny. LFD Natsu's final blast had a much bigger range and power and Tenrou Island is only few kilometers at best.

Gildart's magic made Base Natsu in preskip cry. There is a vast difference.

Future Rouge and Hades > Gildarts as of this point. Don't get me wrong there are only very few who could beat him in FT.

Natsu only wins his fights by PIS. We don't know how strong gildarts has gotten ever since he left. Even if it was tiny he did it by tripping, again Natsu needs to get fired up to do that.

Hades never fought Gildarts so we cannot say he>Gildarts since Laxus (who is below Gildarts) made some damage on Hades also FT were tired and still beat Hades. Gildarts>>FT at the same time something Hades couldn't do.

And they need to re arrange the town every time he comebacks cause he destroys any building by touching it, I don't see current Natsu doing that.

Gildarts defeated Bluenote with ease who>>Natsu by squashing him with gravity.

Also if I recall Gildarts destroyed a black hole...yeah that's still better.

Again the only mage that can beat Gildarts is Jellal.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@DBZ_universe said:

@321zigzag1 said:

Natsu only wins his fights by PIS. We don't know how strong gildarts has gotten ever since he left. Even if it was tiny he did it by tripping, again Natsu needs to get fired up to do that.

Hades never fought Gildarts so we cannot say he>Gildarts since Laxus (who is below Gildarts) made some damage on Hades also FT were tired and still beat Hades. Gildarts>>FT at the same time something Hades couldn't do.

And they need to re arrange the town every time he comebacks cause he destroys any building by touching it, I don't see current Natsu doing that.

Gildarts defeated Bluenote with ease who>>Natsu by squashing him with gravity.

Also if I recall Gildarts destroyed a black hole...yeah that's still better.

Again the only mage that can beat Gildarts is Jellal.

We already went over this. All you are proving is that Base Natsu is inferior. That village was tiny. LFD Natsu roar would have destroyed it.

GIldarts still had to go much harder than before to defeat Bluenote and after that he was drained. He would do better than anyone in pushing Hades maybe minus LFD Natsu back then. Others finished Hades because he lost the heart.

Gildarts > FT? That is an unproven claim.

LFD Natsu destroys much of the town with that LFD roar.

That black hole that barely could suck anything? Also you realize matchups are also circumstantial. ANd also while that black hole may could have held all the real properties of a real one, it was still magical and it barely had any prowess as the real one. Chibaku Tensei >>>>> Bluenote black hole.

Points to GIldarts in destroying a black hole but I don't know why people think its the most awesome. A real blackhole would have annilihated Gildarts less than a micro second.

Nope Hades and Future Rouge.

Post by DBZ_universe (15,725 posts) See mini bio Level 17

@321zigzag1: Yes Natsu could had blown away the village by roaring. Gildarts did it accidentally tripping.

Gildarts was suffering against Bluenote cause of what Azuma did.

True the Black Hole wasn't impressive but still he shattered a lame tiny one.

I doubt they can beat him. He uses crush magic to cut them in slices.

Jellal is the only one and the only mage alone that could give Acnologia a good fight.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@DBZ_universe said:

@321zigzag1: Yes Natsu could had blown away the village by roaring. Gildarts did it accidentally tripping.

Gildarts was suffering against Bluenote cause of what Azuma did.

True the Black Hole wasn't impressive but still he shattered a lame tiny one.

I doubt they can beat him. He uses crush magic to cut them in slices.

Jellal is the only one and the only mage alone that could give Acnologia a good fight.

It is true but take in mind that crash and roar are different things. Crash is easier to destroy things in concentration. His magic spell is about destruction after all.

And he gained much of his magical power back before owning Bluenote.

If he had destroyed something like Chibaku Tensei then I would have been very impressed but Bluenote's black hole is 100 times inferior to that one as literally.

Gildarts has shown he could destroy infinite singularity but only when its like 1/infinity of a real one.

Gildarts is primarily a close range fighter minus dissembly. Hades has amaterasu formulas to 100 and access to some zeref spells.

Rogue has white shadow dragon mode.

Jellal can't even harm a regular dragon right now.

Post by DBZ_universe (15,725 posts) See mini bio Level 17

@321zigzag1 said:

@DBZ_universe said:

@321zigzag1: Yes Natsu could had blown away the village by roaring. Gildarts did it accidentally tripping.

Gildarts was suffering against Bluenote cause of what Azuma did.

True the Black Hole wasn't impressive but still he shattered a lame tiny one.

I doubt they can beat him. He uses crush magic to cut them in slices.

Jellal is the only one and the only mage alone that could give Acnologia a good fight.

It is true but take in mind that crash and roar are different things. Crash is easier to destroy things in concentration. His magic spell is about destruction after all.

And he gained much of his magical power back before owning Bluenote.

If he had destroyed something like Chibaku Tensei then I would have been very impressed but Bluenote's black hole is 100 times inferior to that one as literally.

Gildarts has shown he could destroy infinite singularity but only when its like 1/infinity of a real one.

Gildarts is primarily a close range fighter minus dissembly. Hades has amaterasu formulas to 100 and access to some zeref spells.

Rogue has white shadow dragon mode.

Jellal can't even harm a regular dragon right now.

You bring Valid points! I like that lol.

That is the reason why Gildarts win cause of his magic. He can crush Natsu.

Also how do you know that Jellal cannot hurt a Dragon? He has kill spells. Hell Meredy>Acnologia by inserting her magic on him and on an ant then killing the ant...lol

Jellal can use self destruct on acnologia there for both die.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@DBZ_universe said:

@321zigzag1 said:

You bring Valid points! I like that lol.

That is the reason why Gildarts win cause of his magic. He can crush Natsu.

Also how do you know that Jellal cannot hurt a Dragon? He has kill spells. Hell Meredy>Acnologia by inserting her magic on him and on an ant then killing the ant...lol

Jellal can use self destruct on acnologia there for both die.

Yes he could but can depends on probability. Even Bluenote didn't get crashed immediately.

killing spells vary in power you know. Even a killing spell can't always kill anyway we haven't seen Jellal fight off completely yet so I will say nothing.

Post by DBZ_universe (15,725 posts) See mini bio Level 17

@321zigzag1: Well I will say Natsu has the speed advantage on Gildarts, especially since he is missing a leg and that will help Natsu but if Gildarts tags him is over.

Well Makarov said that Jura could give a good fight to Gildarts yet Jellal could had beat Jura easily.

Jellal's full power rivals Etherion and this is pre time. It is shown when he gives Natsu the Golden Flames and Natsu says he felt exactly like he did when he ate Etherion and went Dragon Force on Zero. Also the Golden Flames take all of Jellal's magic power to produce.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@DBZ_universe said:

@321zigzag1: Well I will say Natsu has the speed advantage on Gildarts, especially since he is missing a leg and that will help Natsu but if Gildarts tags him is over.

Well Makarov said that Jura could give a good fight to Gildarts yet Jellal could had beat Jura easily.

Jellal's full power rivals Etherion and this is pre time. It is shown when he gives Natsu the Golden Flames and Natsu says he felt exactly like he did when he ate Etherion and went Dragon Force on Zero. Also the Golden Flames take all of Jellal's magic power to produce.

Makarov statement on Jura on Gildarts means two things.

1. Either Makarov was wrong since Laxus beat Jura hard difficulty and GIldarts is still much stronger.

2. Or Laxus is proof of the power gap having been narrowed a lot and that Laxus could pose a strong challenge to Gildarts. I have no doubt Star Destruction would have defeated Jura, he even crapped his pants against that level of power.

Post by DBZ_universe (15,725 posts) See mini bio Level 17

@321zigzag1 said:

@DBZ_universe said:

@321zigzag1: Well I will say Natsu has the speed advantage on Gildarts, especially since he is missing a leg and that will help Natsu but if Gildarts tags him is over.

Well Makarov said that Jura could give a good fight to Gildarts yet Jellal could had beat Jura easily.

Jellal's full power rivals Etherion and this is pre time. It is shown when he gives Natsu the Golden Flames and Natsu says he felt exactly like he did when he ate Etherion and went Dragon Force on Zero. Also the Golden Flames take all of Jellal's magic power to produce.

Makarov statement on Jura on Gildarts means two things.

1. Either Makarov was wrong since Laxus beat Jura hard difficulty and GIldarts is still much stronger.

2. Or Laxus is proof of the power gap having been narrowed a lot and that Laxus could pose a strong challenge to Gildarts. I have no doubt Star Destruction would have defeated Jura, he even crapped his pants against that level of power.

Yeah Laxus did beat him with high difficult.

Lol yeah Jura did crap his pants when he saw Jellal casting Cerma.. I am sure that was a very powerful spell.

Well back on topic.

I still think Gildarts wins since there is no PIS and CIS.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@DBZ_universe said:

@321zigzag1 said:

Yeah Laxus did beat him with high difficult.

Lol yeah Jura did crap his pants when he saw Jellal casting Cerma.. I am sure that was a very powerful spell.

Well back on topic.

I still think Gildarts wins since there is no PIS and CIS.

What is your reasoning?

Post by DBZ_universe (15,725 posts) See mini bio Level 17

@321zigzag1: That Natsu will need PIS to take down Gil.

Post by 321zigzag1 (650 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@DBZ_universe said:


                   

@321zigzag1: That Natsu will need PIS to take down Gil.



                   

               

You can call the powerups PIS but not the results.  
 
Until Mashima shows GIldarts his real strength that is beyond Bluenote,  or something else I can't say anything then and take in mind, Bluenote (who would be still pretty high up there FT only few would beat him), fought Gildarts even for a time.
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