Mewtwo vs Grana

Topic started by UltimateHero0406 on Dec. 7, 2012. Last post by Kuma_From_Argentina 1 year, 6 months ago.
Post by TheNeutralOne (1,016 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Read some psyren bro~

The top tiers in it are godly.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,660 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@Haofan123 said:

http://www.animevice.com/forums/battles/33/mewtwo-vs-ichigo-luffy-and-naruto/332719/?

An entire 5 pages of nothing but the debunking of Mewtwos "Godlike" feats. Gotta love it

Ok, so we take out the lifewiping. We still have a very powerful psychic who we assume to be more powerful than Sabrina who could still turn people into dolls and other things. what stops Mewtwo from doing something similar?

Post by Haofan123 (3,675 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@CerusSerenade said:

@Haofan123 said:

http://www.animevice.com/forums/battles/33/mewtwo-vs-ichigo-luffy-and-naruto/332719/?

An entire 5 pages of nothing but the debunking of Mewtwos "Godlike" feats. Gotta love it

Ok, so we take out the lifewiping. We still have a very powerful psychic who we assume to be more powerful than Sabrina who could still turn people into dolls and other things. what stops Mewtwo from doing something similar?

because he most likely doesnt have that same abillity. thats like saying that since both naruto and gaara are wind style users gaara can use rasenshuriken by default. Even if mewtwo did have such an ability he has never used it before and thus the chances of him doing that here are astrinomical provided that he can. Thats also assuming he can get an attack off before Grana decimates him

Post by CerusSerenade (2,660 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@Haofan123 said:

@CerusSerenade said:

@Haofan123 said:

http://www.animevice.com/forums/battles/33/mewtwo-vs-ichigo-luffy-and-naruto/332719/?

An entire 5 pages of nothing but the debunking of Mewtwos "Godlike" feats. Gotta love it

Ok, so we take out the lifewiping. We still have a very powerful psychic who we assume to be more powerful than Sabrina who could still turn people into dolls and other things. what stops Mewtwo from doing something similar?

because he most likely doesnt have that same abillity. thats like saying that since both naruto and gaara are wind style users gaara can use rasenshuriken by default. Even if mewtwo did have such an ability he has never used it before and thus the chances of him doing that here are astrinomical provided that he can. Thats also assuming he can get an attack off before Grana decimates him

You're comparing an instance where there are several types of wind styles to a universe where psychic powers are considered to be similar across all of its sources, there was a whole institute in the cartoon, they were all doing the same thing. To say that psychic powers vary from a human woman to the clone of the ancestor pokemon would suggest that Mewtwo is FAR more capable of doing things with his psychic abilities than Sabrina was, or are you going to say Sabrina was a better Psychic than a clone of Mew who is the ancestor of all pokemon who in some circumstances are planetary in strength? (the three birds causing a form of the apocalypse in the 2nd movie, threat of global crystallization in the third movie) You're underestimating the pokemon universe's feats.

As for speed the new movie shows that Mewtwo probably learned extremespeed as he just went from the ocean to the middle of a continent/island in less than a second as shown by the slowdown, we'll know more when the movie is released. Until then it would be wise not to argue over speed.

Post by Haofan123 (3,675 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@CerusSerenade said:

@Haofan123 said:

@CerusSerenade said:

@Haofan123 said:

http://www.animevice.com/forums/battles/33/mewtwo-vs-ichigo-luffy-and-naruto/332719/?

An entire 5 pages of nothing but the debunking of Mewtwos "Godlike" feats. Gotta love it

Ok, so we take out the lifewiping. We still have a very powerful psychic who we assume to be more powerful than Sabrina who could still turn people into dolls and other things. what stops Mewtwo from doing something similar?

because he most likely doesnt have that same abillity. thats like saying that since both naruto and gaara are wind style users gaara can use rasenshuriken by default. Even if mewtwo did have such an ability he has never used it before and thus the chances of him doing that here are astrinomical provided that he can. Thats also assuming he can get an attack off before Grana decimates him

You're comparing an instance where there are several types of wind styles to a universe where psychic powers are considered to be similar across all of its sources, there was a whole institute in the cartoon, they were all doing the same thing. To say that psychic powers vary from a human woman to the clone of the ancestor pokemon would suggest that Mewtwo is FAR more capable of doing things with his psychic abilities than Sabrina was, or are you going to say Sabrina was a better Psychic than a clone of Mew who is the ancestor of all pokemon who in some circumstances are planetary in strength? (the three birds causing a form of the apocalypse in the 2nd movie, threat of global crystallization in the third movie) You're underestimating the pokemon universe's feats.

As for speed the new movie shows that Mewtwo probably learned extremespeed as he just went from the ocean to the middle of a continent/island in less than a second as shown by the slowdown, we'll know more when the movie is released. Until then it would be wise not to argue over speed.

im not saying that mewtwo isnt more powerful than sabrina. He obviously is. That being siad, he's never shown the ability to turn people into dolls and even if he could he has never done so so it would be unlikely for him to do so here not to mention that your are agruing that mewtwo has a move that we have no evidence that he can do making it a moot point. Im not underestimating the power of the pokemon voice, other people overestimate it and several threads have proved this time and time again

And while it may seem pointless to argue over speed, Grana has shown similar movement speed in psyren and his sun beams are probably massively hypersonic

Post by CerusSerenade (2,660 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@Haofan123: So even thought it was said Sabrina used her psychic powers to turn them into dolls Mewtwo can't do it even though he's more skillful and powerful in his abilities just because he has never been shown to be able to do so? That's an incredibly weak argument, it's saying Gaara can't stand on the ceiling or side of a wall because he hasn't been shown to be able to even though it has to do with basic chakra control and is assumed every ninja can do it.

He just hasn't found a reason to do it, but he can if he wanted to. The whole reason Sabrina did it was because she longed for a family even though her powers pushed them away and found a way to do that through turning the people who lost to her as well as her family into dolls. Mewtwo did it by perfecting the cloning process.

Post by Haofan123 (3,675 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@CerusSerenade said:

@Haofan123: So even thought it was said Sabrina used her psychic powers to turn them into dolls Mewtwo can't do it even though he's more skillful and powerful in his abilities just because he has never been shown to be able to do so? That's an incredibly weak argument, it's saying Gaara can't stand on the ceiling or side of a wall because he hasn't been shown to be able to even though it has to do with basic chakra control and is assumed every ninja can do it.

He just hasn't found a reason to do it, but he can if he wanted to. The whole reason Sabrina did it was because she longed for a family even though her powers pushed them away and found a way to do that through turning the people who lost to her as well as her family into dolls. Mewtwo did it by perfecting the cloning process.

First of all:

Second of all, I already agreed that mewtwo is obviously stronger than sabrina, but that doesnt mean he has all of her abilities as well. Take sauske for example (seeing as we seem to be using naruto characters now) Just because sasuke is a lightning style user doesnt mean he can use the raikages raiton armor.

Even if mewtwo could turn grana into a doll he has never used such an ability before and thus the chances of him spontaniously doing so here would be astronomical. Plus, Grana still has those sun beams that you have yet to even discredit so until then i believe he has this in the bag especially considering mewtwos meager feats

Post by TheNeutralOne (1,016 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@CerusSerenade: You are not understanding the basis of the argument. He is not saying that mewtwo would not be able to do it because he is weaker. He is saying that mewtwo simply has not shown mastery or even basic understanding of such a technique. A great example is in pokemon games. All pokemon come with a specific skill set. In order for you to take on other techniques you must see them and then master them(in the games the equivalent is fighting someone who has the tm or whatever). Because Mewtwo has never shown the feat he SHOULD not be able to do it because maybe the ability was special to sabrina much like kekaigenkai in naruto.

Also as far as fighting goes Grana has been shown to be much more capable and ruthless. Also his light rays attack at light speed once charged up considering he is actually using the suns lights itself just directed in one particular area.When the fight starts grana would probably just break mewtwo in half or vaporise him. With words and no feats Mewtwo has been stated to be more powerful. But with actual fighting and seen feats Grana is quite a great deal more powerful.

that response with the picture made my day lol.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,660 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@TheNeutralOne: Except that he has.

He has demonstrated mass teleportation which by itself defies logic and the laws of physics. There is nothing stopping him from teleporting Grana into space.

Post by Haofan123 (3,675 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@CerusSerenade said:

@TheNeutralOne: Except that he has.

He has demonstrated mass teleportation which by itself defies logic and the laws of physics. There is nothing stopping him from teleporting Grana into space.

except that he's never shown that kind of range with teleportation nor has he ever done that in combat. that also implies that mewtwo would be able to get off an attack before grana vaporizes him

Post by TheNeutralOne (1,016 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@CerusSerenade: we left the laws of physics behind when we started talking about psyren. Also i don't see where the mass teleportation comes in. There is a guy among the commanders that has teleportation on such a level he can break through the dimension and teleport anyone almost anywhere. He by rank and by power is still weaker than Grana and afraid of him to an extent. Do you understand the level of psychic ability it would take to redirect all the sun's rays into one point. That is literally giant star level psychic control, something mewtwo hasn't even thought of doing.

Post by Kuma_From_Argentina (6,781 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@bigz007: In Spanish is an archaic way of saying Red or Scarlet

Post by bigz007 (1,093 posts) See mini bio Level 20

@Kuma_From_Argentina: Cool, and what is the meaning of the word ~Kuma~ in Spanish? It's ~godmother~ in my language.

Post by Kuma_From_Argentina (6,781 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@bigz007: No meaning in Spanish, I'm using the Japanese for "Kuma" that means Bear

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