Battles

IT then Kameha meha to the face. done.

@Supreme Marvel: Come on... that was just a joke... of course I know what Luke can do... if he finds a weak spot with the force, then he could kill Goku like that...

@Supreme Marvel said:

@DBZ_universe said:

@Supreme Marvel: Come on... that was just a joke... of course I know what Luke can do... if he finds a weak spot with the force, then he could kill Goku like that...

Didn't know a Dragon Ball Z fanboy had a sense of humour. :P

Ah come on!! that hurts my feelings... T-T

just joking... :D Well am not like the other "fanboys" (even tho am not) that start raging and making up stuff... maybe before but not no more... XD

@Supreme Marvel: ok...?

I got to go with Supreme Marvel on this. Luke is probably going to be able to KO Goku with telepathy before he can unleash a volley of ki blasts or close the distance between them, thanks to Luke's relativistic-to-light speed reactions.

There's also the chance that Luke can continue on existing as a force spirit, like Darth Sidious did in the Dark Empire. After all, Luke was Sidious' apprentice for a time. Not sure how likely that is, though. So, even if Goku manages to kill Luke before he can get with the mind-fu he still has no way of dealing with Luke's spirit. Luke could beat with him telepathy then, or even possess Goku. Goku himself doesn't have particularly many feats with telepathy or resisting possession, so he would be in trouble if that were to happen.

@Supreme Marvel: To be more precise, we don't how how fast that beam of energy Goku dodged was. It's probably no where near as fast as an actual laser, and considering all canonical feats Goku is pretty high on the hypersonic scale at the least by the end of DBZ.

Goku is not FTL in DB that shit is just retarded. Freiza saga is another story entirely.

@ohgodwhy said:

I'd say that at least by Frieza saga FTL reactions were observed...

Not FTL movement for a sustained amount of time but certainly FTL reactions. Case in point when Frieza fired a death beam Piccolo observed on a flash of light yet Vegeta was able to knock Gohan out of the way of the beam. Piccolo himself was fairly powerful by that point so for him just to observe a flash points to the fact that the beam was at the very minimum FTL.

SSJ Goku and Freiza (100%) has FTL Movement. Everyone else werer masively hypersonic

@ohgodwhy: The quote, "I just saw a little flash of light," doesn't automatically make it light-speed unless the attack is expletively stated or shown to be light-speed. Piccolo saw a flash of light, and ki gives off light, that's probably what he was referring to. It's either that, or a miss-translation. The attack was just too fast for Piccolo to see and that's all it really tells us.

@GIRUGAMESH said:

@FalconC2: Prove that Luke is capable of lightspeed reactions. Honestly I wouldn't have expected this from you.

This thread is a mismatch and should have been locked ages ago.

And just to give you food for thought, remember when Piccolo blew up the moon? He fired an attack that reached it in a couple of seconds, and that was at the start of DBZ. Luke fights sith lords who can terrorize planets and dodges blaster bolts and laser blasts (not FTL at all), Goku and co take out planet-busters on a weekly basis.

True, how fast was that though? I mean, I know it would take light around 1.3 seconds to reach the moon from earth IIRC. In the manga, how long did Piccolo's beam take to reach the moon exactly? As far I know, it has no official time frame.

I'm just going by the feats provided by Supreme Marvel, if Luke can react to things moving at relativistic speed and stuff, that combined with his powerful telepathy would give him a good shot at KO-ing Goku. I don't think Goku's fast enough to stop him from doing that.