Konan vs Kisame

Topic started by Kurohige on Sept. 15, 2010. Last post by narutogeass 4 years, 3 months ago.
Post by taichokage (15,459 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Dream: The strongest he was at before he died were right before his fight with Killer Bee. Every event afterwards he was weakened. Besides it would be silly to have a weakened Kisame without his weapon vs Full power Konan with prep knowledge. Besides the op says current Konan, that would mean Konan after she used all her 6 hundred billion bomb tags, guaranteeing her loss and I'm pretty sure that's not what the op meant. It's only fair to have Kisame with his full power and weapons vs Konan at full power with her weapons.
Post by BattleHeiz (5,765 posts) See mini bio Level 15
@taichokage: Dude if they are current then both of them are dead and kisame before death had no samehada while Konan had 6 billion tags before death and by before death i mean one day max
Post by taichokage (15,459 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@battleheiz: still not fair.Kisame typically has had samehada. Or are you implying that you think he would win with it? He is a weapons specialist ninja. That's like Temari without her fan, Tenten with no scroll, or Kankurou without his puppets or Pain without his paths lol. Or even Konan without paper. Not fair. He should have his typical equipment.
Post by BattleHeiz (5,765 posts) See mini bio Level 15
It's not my fault that samehada chose hachibi and he is not a weapon specialist ninja
Post by taichokage (15,459 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@battleheiz: meaning he specializes in weapons among many thing. He is one of the 7 swordsman of the mist and was the strongest member. Arguably he is the most famous weapon user.
Post by BattleHeiz (5,765 posts) See mini bio Level 15
@taichokage said:
" @battleheiz: meaning he specializes in weapons among many thing. He is one of the 7 swordsman of the mist and was the strongest member. Arguably he is the most famous weapon user. "
He us famous because of his sword and not his skills as a swordsman he is better ninjutsu user than swordsman
Post by narutogeass (94 posts) See mini bio Level 4
@Kurohige: HST (History Strongest Trinity)  is naruto,bleach,one piece all together
Post by taichokage (15,459 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@narutogeass: so that's what it means? That's a huge exaggeration. I could name several attacks off the top of my head stronger than that.
Post by Dream (8,315 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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@narutogeass:  HST means "Holy Shounen Trinity" referring to said three titles as the current popular shounen franchises.
Post by judge (743 posts) See mini bio Level 7
kisame beats konan without prep easy
Post by taichokage (15,459 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@judge:
thank you.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Kisame fused with Sameheda>>>>>Konan with no time to prep her billion paper bomb justsu, if she buys enough time for that then she can win. 
Still wonder what that angel paper justsu was she was in the middle of doing when Madara owned her. 
Post by narutogeass (94 posts) See mini bio Level 4
@taichokage: go head name these attacks that can match 600 Billion!!!!!!!! paper bombs
Post by Hellos (2,482 posts) See mini bio Level 11
@taichokage said:
" @Hellos: Definitely not. Konan imo is still the weakest akatsuki member after Hidan. She's not kisame's level. The six hundred billion explosive tag technique is really only a very lengthy jutsu not an exceedingly powerful one. And it was specifically designed to take madara out, something she had been planning for a while (and might i add it failed). Give the rest of akatsuki prep on an unsuspecting Madara and they would do better. She should've left the explosions to the real explosives expert Deidara. Also Madara hasn't been stellar himself. He got injured by 2 jounin in an earlier battle and said he was greatly weakened from his original self. Hurting Madara is nothing big. Hashirama did it, Minato did it, Danzou's jounin did it and now Konan. Killing Madara is the big deal which no one has succeeded in doing. Really Kisame would win"

I'd disagree. The only reason the attack even fails is because of an unknown factor of Madara sacrificing his eye to survive the attack, that alone impressed me that he had to resort to it.  
I honest can't see Kisame surviving that attack at all.  

 I wouldn't say unsuspecting Madara, he went there to get information and kill her. It's not like she sucker punched him or anything, she just knew how he works and brought enough fire power to take him down. 
 
Yes he lost arm and killed both skilled jounen, while Danzo the entire time fighitng Sasuke wanted to try and conserve power just to fight him when he was finished with Sasuke. To say someone who has feats of outright controlling individuals and the tailed beasts with the Sharingan on its own and the ability to toss people into their own personal dimension seems somewhat lowering how powerful the guy is.  
 
Hurting someone that can go outright intangible blowing off chunks of him is impressive imo. No one has came closer to actually killing Madara thus far, Maybe Sasuke with Amaterasu, but other than that nope.  
Hashirama we don't know what he did other than weaken him and apparently make him stronger at the same time or something whacky like that. The Jounin just made him lose an arm that he replaces, they didn't last more than a few pages.
Not under the same conditions, the guy specializes in absorbing chakra, not being blown to bits by some rediculous amount of paper bombs.
Post by taichokage (15,459 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@narutogeass:
Shinra Tensei 
Chibaku Tensei 
C3 
C0 
Kyubi Chakra Shot 
 
all these are comperable if not better (certainly C0 and chibaku) and this is just destructive power. Techniques like Izanagi or susanoo are greater but are not destructive based. And these are just from naruto 
 
Lanza Del Rallempago 
Cero Oscura 
H2 Cero 
Ennetsu Jigoku 
ryujin jakka period 
Aizen's bala lol 
maybe Hotan Hyakasso (just as inescapable) 
Mugetsu   
Wonderweiss C0 (lol)
 
from bleach
 
and these are are just the obvious ones. There are others that are arguable equal or comperable.
Post by Jflash94 (738 posts) See mini bio Level 8
Ok guys kisam has lost even with the samaehda i will give you the resons 
 
1 he isn't that useful unless he is around water , and if her paper tags surround him theres now wy of him escaping
 
2 konan is probably really strong , she trained under jiraiya also , and has also been the first to injure Madara, and believe me that is a huge feat
 
3Kisame and konan probably do have info on each other, well konan prob has info on kisame, kisame never really minded people, and only knew of  itachis , and madaras abilities because they recruited him, while konan usually hanged out with pein , and would rarely show off her power to the other akatsuki probably 
 
 
Yes this is a assumption  for good reasons
1 she hanged around pein the ultimate protection
2 she really doesn't attack people unless bothered
3 Kisame isn't really interested in information unless it ivolves him
4 Why would kisame even want to know about konan, she's no threat to him
5kisames main job was to watch itachi to make sure he doesn't pass info [ at least i think]
 6 Also by looking at konan I don't think samaeda would stay with Kisame , because I  think that konan had alot more chakra then him, and thats what samaeda is after
Post by taichokage (15,459 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Jflash94:
Actually it's confirmed that Kisame out of all akatsuki has the greatest chakra amount even over Pain. He is called the tailed beast without a tail because of his huge chakra supplies and strength, He single handely took out the yonbi biju and it's jinchuuriki then he beat an unbloodlusted Killer Bee (or rather would've beaten him if Raikage hadn't arrived.) Then he proceeds to fight on par with a 7th gated gai after being weakened and without samehada. Konan on the other hand has shown 2 feats. Losing against Jiraiya and Losing against Madara. Now of course those guys could give even akatsuki members a run for their money but she didn't even do well. She was dominated by jiraiya via a single jutsu and then lost to Madara with a jutsu specially designed for him that took years to prep and in less than two chapters. Out of all akatsuki I think her defeat was the most disgraceful. Also if you believe that Kisame's job was to keep Itachi in check than that's saying a lot for him as Itachi is probably the third strongest akatsuki member after Madara and Pain.
Post by narutogeass (94 posts) See mini bio Level 4
@taichokage:  the magnitude of the attack is far beyond any of the attacks you listed  just because a attack is all flashy and shit don't make it the strongest   like i said (600 >>>>>>>>(BILLION!!!!!!!!!!!)<<<<<<papers bombs) is most def one of the the strongest attacks in HST
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