Kenpachi vs. Itachi

Topic started by victorymaker on April 10, 2010. Last post by ReiKai 4 years, 3 months ago.
Post by Dream (7,243 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@ReiKai:  What about the Sakenagi Longsword from Susanoo? Anything struck by that gets sealed into an eternal illusion.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9
That would be a no-limits fallacy, and unproven really. Never mind, really, as Kenpachi is much faster than Itachi anyway. Besides, if you include the anime, though the Bounto arc was pure fail, Maki Ichinose can create illusions with his zanpakutou and Kenpachi blew them away with just his aura.
                
 

Post by Nerx (13,843 posts) See mini bio Level 12
Just go for two hands and level the uchiha
Post by taichokage (12,662 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Count_Alucard said:
" @taichokage: When did Itach ever fight  Raikage and  Mizukage?  That was Sasuke with an immature mangekyou sharingan. "
Of course he never fought them but Sasuke's mangekyou powers are the exact same as Itachi's only he's not as developed. his susanoo has been overpowered or harmed 3 times now. And each use gets stronger and stronger. his latest use of it was virtually complete.
Post by MisterShin (2,124 posts) See mini bio Level 14
Shadow Clone's 
Sharingan = Limited-precognition, greater sight etc etc.
Tsukuyomi, mind rape-age
Amateratsu, in-extinguishable flame which burns for 7 days
Susanoo: 
- Shield which reflects all physical attacks
- Sword which seals opponent in endless Genjutsu
- Susanoo has tanked lightning without using Shield.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9
Shadow Clones: Useless
Sharingan: Mostly useless. No precog. Ability to predict movements based on body motion/signs, requires eyes being capable of perceiving persons speed. Itachi also has bad eyesight via overusing Sharingan for years.
Tsukuyomi: useless. Kenpachi is too effing crazy for it to work. Also requires direct uninterupted eye contact.
Amaterasu: Useless. It either bounces off Kenpachi's aura or gets snuffed out by him.
Susanoo: Mostly useless. No-limits falacy on abilities calls for evidence. Kenpachi exceeds strength of all Naruto cast members + attacks are conjoined with his immense reiatsu. Blocking lightning = nothing. That guy in Caddy Shack got struck by lightning 66 times and wasn't killed. Kenpachi tanked Tousen and Komamura's Shikai attacks and shrugged them off. Patch on.
Post by taichokage (12,662 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@ReiKai said:
" Shadow Clones: Useless Sharingan: Mostly useless. No precog. Ability to predict movements based on body motion/signs, requires eyes being capable of perceiving persons speed. Itachi also has bad eyesight via overusing Sharingan for years. Tsukuyomi: useless. Kenpachi is too effing crazy for it to work. Also requires direct uninterupted eye contact. Amaterasu: Useless. It either bounces off Kenpachi's aura or gets snuffed out by him. Susanoo: Mostly useless. No-limits falacy on abilities calls for evidence. Kenpachi exceeds strength of all Naruto cast members + attacks are conjoined with his immense reiatsu. Blocking lightning = nothing. That guy in Caddy Shack got struck by lightning 66 times and wasn't killed. Kenpachi tanked Tousen and Komamura's Shikai attacks and shrugged them off. Patch on. "
agreed.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,732 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@ReiKai: You just mentioned the bount arc, which is filler when you always give me hell for bringing up anything remotely considered filler?lol
 
Kenpachi has tremendous endurance, but physical endurence does little in tsuyokomi, itachi can kill ppl straight up in tsuyokomi, even kakashi knows this and wonders why itachi let him live, course we all know it's cause itachi's good. The only way i could see kenny break genjutsu is with shear reaitsu, which is very possible here. Amaterasu will hurt kenny but since it is slow burning and kenny likes pain that will not be a finishing move here. It has been repeatedly said that kenny could  blitz but in fact the opposite is more likely, kenny is not an avid shunpo user and itachi has blitzed kakashi who covered a km in a matter of seconds.Anyway as long as were discussing filler the best speed feat for kenny is running on par with a speeding train, and again to quote kuchki byakuya in yet more filler "do you think your sluggish speed can catch me. zaraki?" may be an applicable line that holds true in this battle, especially with the sharingan reading kenny's movements. Again the difference in intelligence and strategy may decide the battle, as opposed to raw power.
 
Kennpachi is bad ass, but itachi is bad ass himself, Susano Yata no kagami mirror will block anything ken throws and sakenagi sword would seal ken away.
Post by MisterShin (2,124 posts) See mini bio Level 14
@ReiKai: 
I agree, except for the Amaterasu Part:
Amaterasu has burned through chakra, consumed fire and even burnt throat of a fire-breathing toad.
Amaterasu cannot be put out by water or shrugged off. Your must remove the part that it is burning or risk being engulfed it its black flames.
If Kenpachi gets hit with Amaterasu, then it will burn on his aura for 7 days.
 
Death by Amaterasu has only been avoided by removing parts which are burn, cutting limb, shedding skin.
Post by Nerx (13,843 posts) See mini bio Level 12
@MisterShin: uhh dude, a burning kenpachi would be more of a hell for Itachi than a non-burning one. Kenny would still be able to shrug off the pain and go for the kill
Post by MisterShin (2,124 posts) See mini bio Level 14
@Nerx said:
" @MisterShin: uhh dude, a burning kenpachi would be more of a hell for Itachi than a non-burning one. Kenny would still be able to shrug off the pain and go for the kill "
I am fully aware that the flames dont have enough potency to kill Kenpachi, maybe after burning him for a few hours though.
But i know Kenpachi can kill Itachi, he is a beast.
Post by Nerx (13,843 posts) See mini bio Level 12
@MisterShin: and there you said it dude , hours which unfortunately is a huge disadvantage for the Uchiha as he does not have that much time against Kenny
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@MisterShin said:
" @ReiKai:  I agree, except for the Amaterasu Part: Amaterasu has burned through chakra, consumed fire and even burnt throat of a fire-breathing toad. Amaterasu cannot be put out by water or shrugged off. Your must remove the part that it is burning or risk being engulfed it its black flames. If Kenpachi gets hit with Amaterasu, then it will burn on his aura for 7 days.  Death by Amaterasu has only been avoided by removing parts which are burn, cutting limb, shedding skin. "
It's never been used against someone whose aura can be felt through a substance which specifically negates the effects of reiatsu down to virtually nothing, and this was when Kenpachi was still wearing his eyepatch, yet Rukia with her diminished powers could still sense him across a great distance through the seki-seki rock walls of the Tower she was in. Kenpachi himself explained it. When two forces butt heads, the weaker one gets hurt. The power that leaks from Kenpachi's body unconsciously is stronger than most peoples attacks, which includes reiatsu (and for the purposes of this battle, chakra) attacks as well. The fact is, even if Amaterasu 'hit' him, there'd be nothing to burn, because his aura itself would repel the attack.
 
Also, forget the whole spiel where Jiraiya says it burned through the belly of a Fire-Mountain Toad, because it can't be quantified. And simply because it could breathe fire does not make it impervious or immune to fire itself. You effectively can't prove how hot or how strong it is. Never mind that, even if you could make some vague claim of it burning his reiatsu, it'd be meaningless. His reiatsu is practically boundless. Even when he's beat, torn to hell, blasted and impaled, his reiatsu only increases in intensity.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,732 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Amaterasu has been shown to burn through regular fire jutsu's, not that this means it can burn through kenpachi's aura just pointing it out 
Post by taichokage (12,662 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@hitsusatsu11 said:
" Amaterasu has been shown to burn through regular fire jutsu's, not that this means it can burn through kenpachi's aura just pointing it out  "
Maybe true but even Raikage was able to ignore the flames of amaterasu for a little while without any sign of pain. Also he isn't as strong, tough or pain enjoying as Kenpachi who welcomes severe pain willingly. I mean this guy shrugs of being impaled by swords without flinching and totally ignores more minor wounds like scars and punches.
Post by sickVisionz (4,238 posts) See mini bio Level 24
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Itachi hands down.  Kenpachi isn't smart enough to break out of Tsuyomi.  Depending on how Itachi uses it Ken might not even know he's in it.  His skin won't protect him from Ameterasu, I don't think he can break Susanoo and one hit from Itachi's magic sword will end the fight.
Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9
That's a lot of wishful thinking right there. Tsukuyomi has nothing to do with intelligence. It has everything to do with willpower, and it's something Kenpachi has in excess. Also, I've already debunked every argument concerning Itachi's abilities and their possible effects against someone of Kenpachi's tremendous force. Just about everything Itachi has will prove ineffective, especially Amaterasu. It won't touch him because of his aura and even if you tried to make an argument saying it'd burn his reiatsu, it's a meaningless argument. Kenpachi's eye patch is a literal monster than endlessly devours his reiatsu and so much of it it acts like a Seal, holding back the bulk of his power. And this is something Kenpachi wears 24/7 for days, months, even years.
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