Kakashi Vs Iron Fist

Topic started by Fantasma on April 14, 2010. Last post by Fantasma 4 years, 6 months ago.
Post by Fantasma (360 posts) See mini bio Level 7
Please, no Kakashi wins because he has Kamui, shadow clones and the Sharingan, listing his powers as a reason is not only pointless, but also tiring. Elaborating on how he would use those powers for the win, is much better. A couple of things:
Chi=Chakra for this fight.
Fighters are in character.  
Location: A battle arena in K'un- Lun. 

Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19
I would say Iron Fist would defeat Kakashi for the following reasons: 
 
While both characters specialize in manipulating the respective life-forces of their own universes (Kakashi uses Chakra while Iron Fist uses Chi) Iron Fist's use of chi is quite versatile. Iron Fist by default possesses the physiology of a human being who is at the pinnacle of human physicality however by using chi to augment his physical attributes Iron Fist has been seen to become remarkably strong and fast. There was a situation when he augmented his physical power with chi and was able to go toe to toe with a superhuman being physically strong enough to manhandle the likes of Luke Cage who in turn is capable of lifting up to 25 tons in weight using his physical strength. This implies that with the sufficient augmentation of chi Iron Fist might be capable of surpassing even Luke Cage in terms of strength meaning that a direct and fully powered punch being enhanced by chi could literally punch Kakashi's head off. Not to mention when augmenting his physical strength with chi Iron Fist has been capable of breaking off a foot of a monster that is roughly over one hundred feet in height with a single blow. Kakashi clearly pales in terms of strength in comparison to Iron Fist. There was even an incident when Iron Fist channeled a tremendous amount of chi into his fist during a battle against the X-Men and he proceeded to knock Colossus unconscious who is in fact an extremely durable character capable of withstanding hits from 100 tonners and is in fact capable of lifting 100 tons himself. 
 
Strength is not the only factor as speed also plays a part in this battle. Again without any augmentation from chi Iron Fist possesses speed greater than that of even the finest human athlete and is as fast as a human being can be without being considered superhuman however when he augments his speed with chi he has been capable of surpassing the speed of a bullet and is sufficiently fast enough that the human eye cannot follow his movements. Kakashi can obviously follow Iron Fist's movements with his Sharingan eye although Kakashi's reflexes and reaction time are not known it is not possible to determine whether or not Kakashi is a bullet-timer however I would say he is one and could most likely react to Iron Fist's attacks leaving them roughly on par in terms of speed. Although it is possible that Iron Fist is still considerably faster than Kakashi in terms of reaction time as he has been seen dodging gunfire at point blank range and has been shown to effortlessly catch arrows in mid flight. 
 
Kakashi could keep Iron Fist busy with his Shadow Clones for a brief period of time however using mass numbers of Shadow Clones would drain Kakashi of his chakra. Kakashi could also use the Shadow Clones to distract Iron Fist while he prepares a Chidori or possibly even a Lightning Cutter however it would be extremely difficult to land a hit on Iron Fist with a technique that requires Kakashi to move in a straight line. Iron Fist has been shown to be able to react to even the movements of the X-Men's Beast who possesses agility that forces even Spider-Man to strain himself.  
 
In terms of durability Iron Fist has the edge as Kakashi has never displayed the capability to withstand powerful attacks. By channeling chi through his body and properly augmenting his powers Iron Fist was able to withstand being struck by a train carrying the sufficient explosives that possessed even more raw power than a nuclear bomb and he then survived the explosion and was visibly unharmed by the tremendous explosion. I do not believe Kakashi could produce that much energy and thus he will be unable to harm Iron Fist if he uses his chi to that level. At times Iron Fist has absorbed energy that has been directed at him and used it to increase his own physical attributes.  
 
Iron Fist is also a better hand to hand combat fighter than Kakashi as he has mastered K'un-Lun martial arts, Shaolinquan, Judo, Aikido, Karate, Kunlunquan, and he has shown high levels of proficiency in boxing and street fighting. He is such a capable fighter that he has used his skill to defeat Captain America, Sabertooth while temporarily blind and even Wolverine who is a master martial artist as well being a master in various styles including ninjutsu. By channeling his chi into his body and using his martial arts skill Iron Fist was capable of defeating a combined team consisting of Nightcrawler, Wolverine and Colossus.  
 
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Post by Fantasma (360 posts) See mini bio Level 7
@Newdeath said:
" I would say Iron Fist would defeat Kakashi for the following reasons:  While both characters specialize in manipulating the respective life-forces of their own universes (Kakashi uses Chakra while Iron Fist uses Chi) Iron Fist's use of chi is quite versatile. Iron Fist by default possesses the physiology of a human being who is at the pinnacle of human physicality however by using chi to augment his physical attributes Iron Fist has been seen to become remarkably strong and fast. There was a situation when he augmented his physical power with chi and was able to go toe to toe with a superhuman being physically strong enough to manhandle the likes of Luke Cage who in turn is capable of lifting up to 25 tons in weight using his physical strength. This implies that with the sufficient augmentation of chi Iron Fist might be capable of surpassing even Luke Cage in terms of strength meaning that a direct and fully powered punch being enhanced by chi could literally punch Kakashi's head off. Not to mention when augmenting his physical strength with chi Iron Fist has been capable of breaking off a foot of a monster that is roughly over one hundred feet in height with a single blow. Kakashi clearly pales in terms of strength in comparison to Iron Fist. There was even an incident when Iron Fist channeled a tremendous amount of chi into his fist during a battle against the X-Men and he proceeded to knock Colossus unconscious who is in fact an extremely durable character capable of withstanding hits from 100 tonners and is in fact capable of lifting 100 tons himself.  Strength is not the only factor as speed also plays a part in this battle. Again without any augmentation from chi Iron Fist possesses speed greater than that of even the finest human athlete and is as fast as a human being can be without being considered superhuman however when he augments his speed with chi he has been capable of surpassing the speed of a bullet and is sufficiently fast enough that the human eye cannot follow his movements. Kakashi can obviously follow Iron Fist's movements with his Sharingan eye although Kakashi's reflexes and reaction time are not known it is not possible to determine whether or not Kakashi is a bullet-timer however I would say he is one and could most likely react to Iron Fist's attacks leaving them roughly on par in terms of speed. Although it is possible that Iron Fist is still considerably faster than Kakashi in terms of reaction time as he has been seen dodging gunfire at point blank range and has been shown to effortlessly catch arrows in mid flight.  Kakashi could keep Iron Fist busy with his Shadow Clones for a brief period of time however using mass numbers of Shadow Clones would drain Kakashi of his chakra. Kakashi could also use the Shadow Clones to distract Iron Fist while he prepares a Chidori or possibly even a Lightning Cutter however it would be extremely difficult to land a hit on Iron Fist with a technique that requires Kakashi to move in a straight line. Iron Fist has been shown to be able to react to even the movements of the X-Men's Beast who possesses agility that forces even Spider-Man to strain himself.   In terms of durability Iron Fist has the edge as Kakashi has never displayed the capability to withstand powerful attacks. By channeling chi through his body and properly augmenting his powers Iron Fist was able to withstand being struck by a train carrying the sufficient explosives that possessed even more raw power than a nuclear bomb and he then survived the explosion and was visibly unharmed by the tremendous explosion. I do not believe Kakashi could produce that much energy and thus he will be unable to harm Iron Fist if he uses his chi to that level. At times Iron Fist has absorbed energy that has been directed at him and used it to increase his own physical attributes.   Iron Fist is also a better hand to hand combat fighter than Kakashi as he has mastered K'un-Lun martial arts, Shaolinquan, Judo, Aikido, Karate, Kunlunquan, and he has shown high levels of proficiency in boxing and street fighting. He is such a capable fighter that he has used his skill to defeat Captain America, Sabertooth while temporarily blind and even Wolverine who is a master martial artist as well being a master in various styles including ninjutsu. By channeling his chi into his body and using his martial arts skill Iron Fist was capable of defeating a combined team consisting of Nightcrawler, Wolverine and Colossus.   ND "
Excellent post and well detailed, the only things I could add here, would only be more damaging to Kakashi. For example, the Sharingan following his movements, Iron Fist would easily determine that Kakashi is reading his movements via Sharingan, and change his style to Drunken Kung Fu, a style he used against MR. X, who has telepathy and defeats his oponnents by anticipating his moves, Iron Fist uses this style and tells MR X, that this style gives no forewarning. There are arguments in favor of Kakashi too, I'll wait for them.
Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@Fantasma: Indeed. 
 
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Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Iron fist can manipulate chi to increase attributes but so can kakashi, during the fight against deidara kakashi's speed was greatly increased using chakra. It would seem iron fist has the edge in physical attributes, with a possible tie in combat skills, and tactical advantage to kakashi as he is an elite jonin / hokage level shinobi. Kakashi has the sharingan to track iron fists movements and is as well capable of some degree of genjutsu, as well his aim, accuracy and speed with kumei has increased and is quite proficient as of his fight with sasuke. Add to this kakashi has copied over a 1000 jutsu which he is able to call up , plus Chidori will be an effective move here, and the one which kakashi will use to end the fight. I believe the copy ninja takes this.
Post by taichokage (14,252 posts) See mini bio Level 20
Kakashi would win. Ironfist is not class 100 or 25. According to the marvel databook he isn't even class 1. Kamui would end this instantly but he can use genjutsu and could use sharingan which would not only allow him to know Ironfist's moves before he made them but would allow him to copy his techniques especially since chi = chakra here so If Ironfist somehow does have class 25 or 100 strength by using chi/chakra then Kakashi could copy that technique or any other for that matter. Also substitution would play a huge role in this battle.
Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@taichokage: Iron Fist lifts roughly 350 pounds without any chi augmentation. While augmenting his physical strength which chi he has surpassed even Luke Cage and has knocked Colossus unconscious. That isn't a technique, he simply uses chi to augment his physical power. Kakashi cannot copy something that isn't a technique, it is an ability that is clearly unnatural to the Naruto world. It has not been shown that Kakashi is capable of channeling chakra into his body to increase his strength. Iron Fist does not use techniques that Kakashi could copy. Chi and Chakra are two very different types of energy, it would be like stating Kakashi could copy magic techniques. Secondly even if Kakashi could follow Iron Fist's movements it wouldn't matter as much because Iron Fist has fought against telepaths that predict his movements and quickly switches his fighting style and confuses them easily landing a hit. Kakashi will also have a hard time trying to react to someone who easily dodges machine gun bullets at blank point range and effortlessly catches bullets and arrows in mid air. If Iron Fist fully increases his strength with his chi then a simple well placed punch should kill Kakashi. Beast from the X-Men possesses agility that makes Spider-Man appear slow however when he fought Iron Fist he was struggling and Iron Fist proved too agile and fast for him, this also happened with Nightcrawler. 
 
@hitsusatsu11: Kakashi has never shown the ability to use chakra to increase his "Physical" attributes whereas Iron Fist has. I wouldn't state that it is a tie in combat skills since Iron Fist has mastered nearly all of the Earth's martial arts and has embarrassed the likes of Captain America who is an exceptionally great fighter. You do have a point in the genjutsu part however Iron Fist possesses a strong will that has allowed him to escape similar situations. Kakashi will not be able to use Kamui on Iron Fist so easily, Iron Fist is one of the most agile and fast street-levelers in Marvel and has surpassed even Beast and Spider-Man in agility and speed so him constantly moving around will not contribute to Kakashi using Kamui, he would need to find some way of keeping Iron Fist stationary. Yes Kakashi does possess an array of over 1000 jutsu however we have not even seen all of it so making speculations based on that statement is idiotic (no offense). Chidori will backfire quite badly if used recklessly against Iron Fist. True Kakashi is a master strategist and tactician, Chidori requires Kakashi to move in a straight line which is a big disadvantage and an easy attack for Iron Fist to dodge. To use Chidori on Iron Fist, Kakashi would have to find a way of keeping him stationary as even the slowest of opponents have been seen dodging Chidori in the very last second. Iron Fist being capable of easily reacting to machine gun bullets at blank point range should be able to easily dodge Kakashi's Chidori. If Iron Fist augments his strength to the same level as Luke Cage's by using his chi then a single well aimed punch should end the battle. 
 
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Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Newdeath said:
" @taichokage: Iron Fist lifts roughly 350 pounds without any chi augmentation. While augmenting his physical strength which chi he has surpassed even Luke Cage and has knocked Colossus unconscious. That isn't a technique, he simply uses chi to augment his physical power. Kakashi cannot copy something that isn't a technique, it is an ability that is clearly unnatural to the Naruto world. It has not been shown that Kakashi is capable of channeling chakra into his body to increase his strength. Iron Fist does not use techniques that Kakashi could copy. Chi and Chakra are two very different types of energy, it would be like stating Kakashi could copy magic techniques. Secondly even if Kakashi could follow Iron Fist's movements it wouldn't matter as much because Iron Fist has fought against telepaths that predict his movements and quickly switches his fighting style and confuses them easily landing a hit. Kakashi will also have a hard time trying to react to someone who easily dodges machine gun bullets at blank point range and effortlessly catches bullets and arrows in mid air. If Iron Fist fully increases his strength with his chi then a simple well placed punch should kill Kakashi. Beast from the X-Men possesses agility that makes Spider-Man appear slow however when he fought Iron Fist he was struggling and Iron Fist proved too agile and fast for him, this also happened with Nightcrawler. 
 
@hitsusatsu11: Kakashi has never shown the ability to use chakra to increase his "Physical" attributes whereas Iron Fist has. I wouldn't state that it is a tie in combat skills since Iron Fist has mastered nearly all of the Earth's martial arts and has embarrassed the likes of Captain America who is an exceptionally great fighter. You do have a point in the genjutsu part however Iron Fist possesses a strong will that has allowed him to escape similar situations. Kakashi will not be able to use Kamui on Iron Fist so easily, Iron Fist is one of the most agile and fast street-levelers in Marvel and has surpassed even Beast and Spider-Man in agility and speed so him constantly moving around will not contribute to Kakashi using Kamui, he would need to find some way of keeping Iron Fist stationary. Yes Kakashi does possess an array of over 1000 jutsu however we have not even seen all of it so making speculations based on that statement is idiotic (no offense). Chidori will backfire quite badly if used recklessly against Iron Fist. True Kakashi is a master strategist and tactician, Chidori requires Kakashi to move in a straight line which is a big disadvantage and an easy attack for Iron Fist to dodge. To use Chidori on Iron Fist, Kakashi would have to find a way of keeping him stationary as even the slowest of opponents have been seen dodging Chidori in the very last second. Iron Fist being capable of easily reacting to machine gun bullets at blank point range should be able to easily dodge Kakashi's Chidori. If Iron Fist augments his strength to the same level as Luke Cage's by using his chi then a single well aimed punch should end the battle.  ND "
In the fight against deidara kakashi has been shown to use chakra to increase his speed. 
 
about his 1000 copy jutsus, he could utilize hidden mist jutsu and iirc rasengan, i do not see how this is idiotic.
Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@hitsusatsu11: To increase his speed only. We cannot assume he can do the same with his other physical attributes such as durability or strength. It has been seen that Kakashi's chakra depletes rapidly when he uses Rasengan and it would be a grave mistake if he uses it against Iron Fist for his chakra would deplete and he would most likely miss due to Iron Fist's agility and reaction time. It is idiotic because we haven't seen all of his 1000 copy jutsus.  
 
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Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Newdeath: is speed not a physical attribute? other characters have been shown to use chakra to increase strength (sakura) but iron fist may posses a stregth advantage, im not sure since officially he can only lift <1ton.
 
Not saying rasengan would be used simply pointing out how it's not idiotic to commend kakashi for being the "copy" ninja who copied over a 1000 jutsu, and i cite hidden mist jutsu as an example of an effective copy move he could utilize.
Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@hitsusatsu11: You should understand what I said before replying. I stated that yes Kakashi can increase his speed however has ever shown the ability increase other physical attributes? No he has not so it would be ridiculous to assume that he could. Other characters have yes but not Kakashi. Tsunade and Sakura are specifically trained to release their chakra at the point of contact allowing them to shatter even the hardest of objects however they cannot increase their speed. Sakura and Tsunade's strength is not actually increased whatsoever but it is more that they are energy-enhanced strikes as they have never "lifted" heavy objects and have only shattered them.  
 
Rasengan drains Kakashi of his energy which is why he doesn't use it in battle. He didn't even use it against Pain because he is aware that he is isn't proficient in its use and it depletes his chakra heavily. Using Rasengan would only lessen his chances of victory which is why he uses Chidori or Lightning Cutter rather than the wind attribute technique. Using Rasengan against Iron Fist would not be the most intelligent thing to do as he could easily dodge an attack that requires one to remain stationary not to mention that using the technique takes a heavy tole on Kakashi. It is idiotic because you are basing Kakashi's victory on jutsus we have never even seen him perform, you are basing his victory over a statement. Yes he has mastered over 1000 jutsus however we haven't even seen 200 of those jutsus in his array and most of them could possibly useless in this battle so try and use the jutsus he has displayed and not speculate about abilities he hasn't shown. 
 
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Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Newdeath: im not saying he wins because he has 1000 jutsu we've never seen, i was just pointing it out geez. "the copy ninja" sounds cool and is a testament to his ninja skills. Yes kakashi would not be using rasengan in battle, nothing stoping him though from using hidden mist justsu, a few kagebunshins,  to throw iron fist off guard, then possibly a genjutsu, and then chidori to the heart of iron fist or kumei.
 
shinobi do use their ninjutsu chakra to increase physical attributes, look at naruto doing senjutsu training first the sage toad tells him to lift the statue using only his ninjutsu chakra and he fails, then uses senjutsu chakra and succeeds, obviously he did not have enough of his own chakra to lift it but this does suggest ninjutsu chakra can be used to increase strength, ninjas also infuse their weapons with chakra. Also i think either tsunade or naruto or someone has lifted and thrown a summon before using strength, but that could have been a filler.  Not saying this puts kakashi above iron fist in strength just pointing out that he can increase his attributes with chakra at least a little bit, not to the extent of iron fist so it is mute but still., and as you said he can increase his speed but since he lacks sakura's precision of chakra control any strength enhancements would be minor but existent.
 
iron fist may have the advantage in many physical attributes but kakashi is a multi-dimensional fighter who as an ex anbu is skilled in stealth and tactics as well as having a mastery of shinobi skills such as substitution, add to this the sharingan and i beleieve he wins.
Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@hitsusatsu11: How would you expect for Kakashi to hit Iron Fist with a Chidori or Kamui? Iron Fist's agility and speed would allow him to easily dodge a Chidori which requires the opponent to remain stationary so unless Kakashi manages to keep Iron Fist from moving then Chidori doesn't apply. Kamui won't be easy to use against an opponent who easily dodges machine gun bullets at blank point range, Iron Fist would have to be moving at a slow pace for Kakashi to use Kamui.  
 
Naruto and the others do not matter because this battle involves Kakashi. Kakashi has never shown the ability to use chakra to increase either his physical strength or durability and he has only demonstrated the ability with his speed. It is useless to argue over terms of strength because Iron Fist easily outclasses Kakashi in this category.  
 
Substitution jutsus will allow Kakashi to survive in the battle longer than he would have without them however he cannot use the jutsu in rapid succession. Iron Fist's reaction time combined with his speed and chi enhanced strength would allow him to either kill (which is most likely) or knock Kakashi unconscious. Being an ex-Anbu doesn't mean anything. Kakashi's stealth skill, tactics and mastery of shinobi skills are not a great help as Iron Fist has fought opponents with greater stealth and ninja capabilities than Kakashi in the likes of Daredevil. If Kakashi decides to use hand to hand combat against Iron Fist he would be overwhelmed by Iron Fist's superior strength, reflexes and fighting skill. The Sharingan will not grant Kakashi much help, Iron Fist has fought telepaths who are able to predict his movements and yet he defeated said telepath. 
 
Also lets take Iron Fist's durability into consideration. No character in Naruto has shown the ability to raze an entire city with an explosion or blast as no character possesses such power do so in an instant. Through enhancing his durability with chi Iron Fist was able to survive an explosion that dwarfs nuclear explosions capable of vaporizing entire cities and he did so without sustaining any visible injury.  
 
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Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Newdeath: Pain razed konoha with a powerful shirai tensa, not that its relevant to kakashi just in response to your saying no naruto character can raze an entire city.  Kakashi used kumui on sasuke's susanno's moving arrows. Dardevil is not a better ninja than any decent naruto jonin, In the infinity war (or possibly crusade, the one after the magus) DD could not even tell that earths hero's were hanging in front of  building right in front of him.  I would excpect kakashi to trick iron fist using tactics, then set him up for kumui or chidori.
 
What would iron fists counter to genjustsu be? The only possible way would be speedblitz, but again kakashi is not some genin, he would definitely pull a substitution or bunshin to prevent that. 
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Newdeath: also i think were making iron fist out to be a higher tier character than he really is, in cable and deadpool he had trouble fighting deadpool in h2h, deadpool is skilled but not on par with hatake kakashi
Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@hitsusatsu11: To be specific Konoha isn't a city it is a village so the point that no Naruto character has ever decimated a city still stands. Well the projectiles launched by Sasuke's Susanoo travelled in a straight line and despite the speed it is simply an attack and could easily be disposed of by Kamui however unlike the arrow Iron Fist does not rush in a straight line towards his opponent. He would use his agility combined with his speed to dodge Kamui and Kakashi is smart enough to not overuse it. Daredevil is an exceptional ninja and would outclass any Naruto ninja in the basic ninja arts including stealth. Well your point that states Daredevil couldn't even tell that the Earth's hero was hanging right in front of a building right in front of him doesn't make sense, of course Daredevil couldn't tell because he is blind.  
 
It wouldn't be easy for Kakashi to trick Iron Fist who in his own right is quite smart in battle as well. He has fought against numerous opponents with either equal or greater strategical and tactical knowledge than Kakashi and he has managed to defeat them. Iron Fist would still be able to dodge a Chidori at blank point range due to the fact that he has dodged machine gun bullets in the very last second with minimal effort.  
 
Iron Fist has a very strong willpower and could resist genjutsu. Kakashi's genjutsus are not very intense although they would affect Iron Fist. Iron Fist could easily speed blitz Kakashi, Iron Fist would be too fast, Kakashi would have no time to react to the blow fast enough to use either a substitution or Shadow Clone jutsu.  
 
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Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@hitsusatsu11: Using a character's low showing to determine their skill isn't a plausible method of debating. Yes he did struggle against Deadpool but again in another issue he overwhelmed Captain America with his combat skills and Captain America is a much better fighter than Deadpool. Not to mention Iron Fist has also defeated Wolverine who is a master martial artist including styles such as ninjutsu. Iron Fist has mastered a unique fighting style and is a master of nearly all of the Earth's martial arts. He is far above Kakashi in terms of unarmed combat skill. Kakashi relies mostly on his superhuman abilities rather than his martial arts skill and it is logical to assume Kakashi is lower than Deadpool in terms of hand to hand combat skills since Kakashi is a "ninja" and should only be skilled in the fighting styles of ninjutsu styles and nothing more than that while Iron Fist has mastered well over 10 styles.
 
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Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Newdeath: i know DD is blind and thus is common sense he could not be as good a ninja as kakashi, i used that point to illustrate that DD's limitations make him less effective than naruto shinobi.
 
Marvel power rankings give Iron fist a 2 in speed, this is normal human levels, kakashi is much faster, iron fist can only use augmented chi to increase speed for short bursts, as when he dodged the bullets. 
 
Iron fist has h2h prowess yes, but not more than kakashi, especially with the sharingan, considering iron fist couldn't even dominate deadpool......
 
It would be a reasonable battle scenario for kakashi to win via kumui, even if IF is faster kakashi could stay stationary, wait until IF gets within a reasonable range and then use kumui right before the point of attack, at this point IF would be about to attack and thus not moving side to side, and kakashi is now proficient enough with kumui to hit such a target.
 
IF only has h2h skills, and his physical attributes and those are not so far above kakashi's to overcome the advantage kakashi has with jutsu's such as chidori,substitution,bunshin, hidden mist, kumui, and general sharingan abilities. Multi dimensional fighter>>>one dimensional fighter as long as the one dimensional fighter's area of strength does not completely over whelm the opponent,  which i do not believe it could do here.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,747 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Newdeath: personally i would say deadpool has better skils than cap, since deadpool is almost on par with the cat who i would say is more skilled than iron fist, Iron fist also has a 6 on h2h ranking, mastery of many forms of h2h, while cap has a 6. Iron fist only has a 3 in durability, 5 is bulletproof.
Post by Newdeath (18,555 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@hitsusatsu11: Not at all. Being blind has nothing to do with his ninja skills, all that is in effect is his vision. He has proven to be a greater fighter and ninja than most of the ones in his universe who do possess vision. That does not mean he would be lower than any Naruto shinobi but forget about that because Daredevil isn't involved in this battle anyway. 
 
Yes the Marvel Handbook does rank him as a 2 in speed although you are failing to take into account that Iron Fist augments his speed with chi. In the Marvel Handbook they don't estimate The Hulk's strength because he can increase although it is stated that in a calm state he lifts 70-80 tons (I am using him as an example). Iron Fist when augmenting his speed with his chi has easily surpassed a speeding bullet with not much effort.  
 
Again you are using a character's low showings which isn't a plausible method of arguing. Iron Fist dominated Captain America and Wolverine who are both much better martial artists than Deadpool. Iron Fist not being capable of dominating Deadpool is nothing more than PIS. Kakashi's hand to hand combat skills are too limited to one or two styles while Iron Fist has an array of well over 10 martial arts styles. In battle he could easily change to any style he wishes while Kakashi would be limited to two or one. Iron Fist is clearly more skilled than Kakashi in terms of hand to hand combat skills.  
 
We can't assume that it would be that easy to defeat opponents by using Kamui. If it was that easy then Kakashi should not have struggled as he did against Pain's bodies. Iron Fist could easily dodge Kamui and it will not be easy for Kakashi to force Iron Fist to get within such a range that it will be so easy for him to defeat him with Kamui. A simple chi-enhanced punch could literally knock Kakashi's head off.  
 
You keep repeating the same thing over and over again. I already pointed out that Chidori is virtually useless in this battle since Iron Fist is not going to remain stationary as the technique requires Kakashi to move in a straight line. Substitution jutsu cannot be used in rapid succession so its not like Kakashi will be able to use it every time Iron Fist swings for a hit. Using Shadow Clones drains Kakashi's chakra so it will not be as easy as you assume for him to use it to his advantage. He will have to work out a well organized plan that would take quite some time to devise. General Sharingan abilities will not grant him the victory. Genjutsu will affect Iron Fist but he possesses a very strong willpower and can overcome them. Kakashi being able to follow Iron Fist's movements is useless if his body cannot physically react to them.  
 
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