Jedi vs Gotei 13

Topic started by tronboy on March 7, 2013. Last post by ChromeDisaster 1 year, 6 months ago.
Post by CerusSerenade (2,621 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@ChromeDisaster: You are severely overestimating their abilities. Incineration by cero? How about Yoda makes a small gesture with his hand and crushes all of their heads in?

I would also like to add that Shinji isn't part of the Gotei 13, and thus isn't in this fight.

Post by ChromeDisaster (1,099 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@CerusSerenade said:

I would also like to add that Shinji isn't part of the Gotei 13, and thus isn't in this fight.

Actually, the OP didn't state which arc the gotei 13 was from. Shinji was a member of the Gotei 13 one-hundred years before the events in bleach even happened, and he is the captain of the fifth division after the timeskip as of chapter 479.

@CerusSerenade said:

@ChromeDisaster: You are severely overestimating their abilities. Incineration by cero? How about Yoda makes a small gesture with his hand and crushes all of their heads in?

really? remember, shinji's shikai inverts all directions, including eyesight, and where battle wounds are actually inflicted. you mean to tell me that even though yoda thinks up is down and left is right, he will "crush" their heads? He wont even know where to begin to look, let alone use the force effectively. The force is used in a directional manner which means that yoda would end up crushing his own allies before he crushes shinji or any other member of the Gotei 13.

Either that or Kyoraku just activates his shikai, says the color green and kills yoda where he stands

Or, Byakuya uses his shikai to slice the jedi into pieces in mere seconds.

Or everyone in soul society just gangs up on the jedi. The OP only said "Gotei 13", not "just the captains of the Gotei 13".

Post by DBZ_universe (15,724 posts) See mini bio Level 17

@ReiKai said:

Oh please. Outside of Rangiku's tits, and Kenpachi and Yachiru's hilarious conversations, Bleach just isn't that good. Kenpachi is really the only person anyone wants to see murder people anyway. Rest of'em can go jump in a Sarlaac pit.

That's is the only reason I still read Bleach, because of Kenpachi and especially now!

so yes you are right, Bleach isn't nothing with out Kenpachi.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,621 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@ChromeDisaster said:

Wank wank wank wank wank wank wank...

Is that all everyone else heard too?

I suppose the feat that someone from EU manipulated a pseudo-black hole won't convince you either...

Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@CerusSerenade said:

I suppose the feat that someone from EU manipulated a pseudo-black hole won't convince you either...

That would be Luke "Jesus Christ I Banged Your Mom" Skywalker. And too many people are trying to attribute Luke's Gary Stu status to every Jedi.
Post by ChromeDisaster (1,099 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@CerusSerenade: Oh so now im wanking? If you weren't so biased towards star wars you would see the logic behind ReiKai's and my own logic. In the anime and manga of bleach, Aizen has the power to use Hado #90: Kurohitsugi, which is an attack that distorts time and space. Or should Unohana just spam continuous strings of kido?

The jedi might have that weak ass force lightning, but shinigami have Hadō #88. Hiryū Gekizoku Shinten Raihō which creates a blast of spiritual thunder

And Hadō #96. Ittō Kasō: Completely eradicates anything within the blast radius

Or Bakudō # 79 Kuyō Shibari: Creates 8 black holes around you , with the ninth placed at the center of one's entire being

Or Bakudō #62. Hyapporankan: Creates a barrage of energy rods that leaves the target immobile

Or Bakudo # 81.Danku: which protects the user from anything.

With these techniques alone, the Gotei 13 wins with relative ease.

Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@ChromeDisaster said:

@CerusSerenade: Oh so now im wanking? If you weren't so biased towards star wars you would see the logic behind ReiKai's and my own logic. In the anime and manga of bleach, Aizen has the power to use Hado #90: Kurohitsugi, which is an attack that distorts time and space. Or should Unohana just spam continuous strings of kido?

 
....people, we have a situation here. Someone just Agreed with me. I felt the whole of the internet shudder in horror at that moment. Is it the End of Days already?
Post by ChromeDisaster (1,099 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@ReiKai said:

....people, we have a situation here. Someone just Agreed with me. I felt the whole of the internet shudder in horror at that moment. Is it the End of Days already?

Is it really that bad lol?

Post by CerusSerenade (2,621 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@ReiKai said:

@CerusSerenade said:

I suppose the feat that someone from EU manipulated a pseudo-black hole won't convince you either...

That would be Luke "Jesus Christ I Banged Your Mom" Skywalker. And too many people are trying to attribute Luke's Gary Stu status to every Jedi.

This is true, I keep forgetting that we are using the clone wars Jedi.

Still, ChromDisaster is wanking the shit out of Bleach when he's saying that a Kuyō Shibari spell creates black holes.

I'm still waiting on how Mace Windu and Yoda don't just crush their heads in with the force alone. Super battle droids were made to be resistant to lightsabers, you can punch or knock it down but that doesn't mean you damaged it.

Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10
TCW has shown Clone Troopers taking down all sorts of battle droids without their blasters when in close quarters. Honestly they're not that tough, and they have shown zero resistance to ligthsabers given that not one of them has avoided getting cut clean through by the Jedi at any point throughout the series. You can drop some boulders on SBD's and destroy them.
 
@CerusSerenade said:

I'm still waiting on how Mace Windu and Yoda don't just crush their heads in with the force alone. Super battle droids were made to be resistant to lightsabers, you can punch or knock it down but that doesn't mean you damaged it.

Same reason they can't do it to other Force Users or sentient life forms. Because Living Things with Sentience have an innate resistance and it requires overcoming the targets Will to create the effect. Things like Force Shields can block these effects and it's the same reason why everyone doesn't have their lightsabers thrown from their hands everytime they face another Force User. 
 
Yoda took away Ventress' lightsabers once because her Defense wasn't good enough to stop him. Also to the point, Mace, Yoda and co have Never crushed a living creatures head, sentient or otherwise, ever. Crushing droids isn't the same thing. If it could be done so easily, Grievous would've died instantly, but because he had at least some biological components, it was enough to save him.
 
Here we have Rule of Equivalency. What keeps Mace and Yoda from pulling such a stunt is also what is going to keep guys like Kenpachi and Byakuya from Soul Crushing the Jedi by just being in the same area.
Post by ChromeDisaster (1,099 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@CerusSerenade said:

@ReiKai said:

@CerusSerenade said:

Still, ChromDisaster is wanking the shit out of Bleach when he's saying that a Kuyō Shibari spell creates black holes.

I'm still waiting on how Mace Windu and Yoda don't just crush their heads in with the force alone. Super battle droids were made to be resistant to lightsabers, you can punch or knock it down but that doesn't mean you damaged it.

If you weren't retarded, you would see how futile your argument is. If your vision and sense of direction is all fucked up, how can you expect to crush their heads with the force?

Besides, there are plenty of ways a shinigami can kill a jedi from a distance. take Gin Ichimaru for example. He releases his zanpaktou and skewers a jedi from a mile away.

Or Shunsui uses the jedi's shadow and beheads him/her.

Or Hitsugaya use his shikai to create a blizzard, preventing the jedi from seeing anything.

All a jedi will do is close in for hand to hand combat, which will equal their untimely demise. Try that shit with Soifon and you get raped in 2 hits

But of course your gonna keep posting bullshit about the jedi's using the force to ohk beings that have been fighting for centuries on end.

Your precious Jedi die regardless. the difference in abilities are just too great.

Oh yeah, read this. (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Kuy%C5%8D_Shibari)

Post by UltimateHero0406 (5,041 posts) See mini bio Level 16

@ChromeDisaster said:

Lets cool it with the insults guys. They don't help anyone's case and this doesn't need to devolve into pointless name calling.

If you weren't retarded, you would see how futile your argument is. If your vision and sense of direction is all fucked up, how can you expect to crush their heads with the force?

Post by CerusSerenade (2,621 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@ChromeDisaster said:

@CerusSerenade said:

@ReiKai said:

@CerusSerenade said:

Still, ChromDisaster is wanking the shit out of Bleach when he's saying that a Kuyō Shibari spell creates black holes.

I'm still waiting on how Mace Windu and Yoda don't just crush their heads in with the force alone. Super battle droids were made to be resistant to lightsabers, you can punch or knock it down but that doesn't mean you damaged it.

Wankwankwankwankwankwankwankwank.

If Aizen figured out Shinji's shikai with little difficulty then you can expect Jedi as masters of using a 6th sense can deal with it.

The color ability correspeonds with risk/reward. If he calls out green then he himself would deal no damage because he himself doesn't have any green on him, and would only make Yoda stronger.

Hitsugaya calls out a blizzard and obscures vision? Force allows for Jedi to see into the future, do you really think they can't use it to sense where their enemy is?

So Soifon dies after attempting to engage in hand-to-hand combat with Jedi which can crush the heads of multiple hard-material objects, her head is softer.

Living for centuries=/= fighting continuously for centuries.

But of course you're going to continue to pull shit out of your ass about Bleach characters creating black holes (lol, if that was a black hole the planet would have been destroyed, learn what a black hole actually is) and think that Yoda in EU or Mace Windu couldn't crush their heads in with the force when they have been shown to be capable of such feats.

Post by xlab3000 (1,394 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Anyone who thinks Bleach has a chance is retarded

Post by xlab3000 (1,394 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@ChromeDisaster: you're basically using statements to back up the attacks proves nothing

@CerusSerenade: finally someone with common sense

Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@CerusSerenade said:

If Aizen figured out Shinji's shikai with little difficulty then you can expect Jedi as masters of

Except it's not the same thing and Jedi have never dealt with ability such as this before. Also, it was already shown that Aizen wasn't even being affected by it, since Shinji and the others had already been trapped and tricked within Aizen's Shikai. It's the reason why Gin didn't betray Aizen until he was certain it was the real one with the Hogyoku.
 

The color ability correspeonds with risk/reward. If he calls out green then he himself would deal no damage because he himself doesn't have any green on him, and would only make Yoda stronger.

It's why he would never do so and could just as well just hide in and impale them all through their shadows.
 

Hitsugaya calls out a blizzard and obscures vision? Force allows for Jedi to see into the future, do you really think they can't use it to sense where their enemy is?

In battle it's not more than a few seconds which doesn't help when all their opponents are much faster than they are. Hitsugaya also doesn't need to do something as cheap as obscuring their vision when he can just as well freeze them to death.
 

So Soifon dies after attempting to engage in hand-to-hand combat with Jedi which can crush the heads of multiple hard-material objects, her head is softer.

Objects don't have an inherent will to resist TK and Jedi, more often than not, need to See and Perceive what it is they're using the Force against in order for it to work. Soi-Fon can kill them all faster than they can blink. We'd already covered this. They've never Force Crushed a living creature. Much less any of the Prequel Jedi. Crushing Droids isn't impressive when Regular Soldiers can smash them and break them with their fists.
 
You're trying to compare cannon fodder to Giants.
 

Living for centuries=/= fighting continuously for centuries.

They actually do fight quite regularly since they deal with Hollows of all shapes and sizes, as well as quelling rebellions in the districts outside of the Seireitei. Kenpachi hates being bored, and during the Soul Society Arc when he went to face Komamura and Tousen, after their initial Shikai attacks, commented that his Morning Exercises were tougher.
 

But of course you're going to continue to pull shit out of your ass about Bleach characters creating black holes (lol, if that was a black hole the planet would have been destroyed, learn what a black hole actually is) and think that Yoda in EU or Mace Windu couldn't crush their heads in with the force when they have been shown to be capable of such feats.

It depends on the size of the black hole actually. Otherwise every time Miroku opened his hand in Inuyasha the world would've been destroyed. Or when Richard Guyot in "The Guyver" created a quasi black hole trying to kill Arkanphel the world would've been destroyed. It depends on size and force., and Guyots was actually effecting the surrounding area above ground.
 
In BASTARD!! Dark Schneider used a Black Hole to absorb an attack and send it to another dimension and kept it open for only a fraction of a second because his was so powerful that any longer and it could've destroyed an entire continent.
 
You keep going on about head crushing, when it's been explained it won't work, and that they've never done it to a living thing. Nor do you seem to understand that Shinigami are far stronger and more durable than living humans. And there's a reason why the majority of Jedi don't use Force Techniques in battle; it's cause they don't have the time to Focus and use them against individuals with similar or greater abilities.
 
Such as Satele Shan against Darth Malgus on Alderaan. She only managed to use that Force Blast because she had the time and distance needed to use it while Malgus was off balance from a grenade. Here, we have a group of Jedi, none of which, save maybe Yoda, would be comparable to Satele in Force Power, who have abilities and powers far different from those of a Jedi and in many respects far stronger.
 
Those like Byakuya, who use and have mastered a number of Kido, can even restrained and paralyze the Jedi with Binding Kido techniques. Not only that, but offensive Kido spells that can create large explosions and level buildings.
Post by ChromeDisaster (1,099 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@ReiKai said:

@CerusSerenade said:

If Aizen figured out Shinji's shikai with little difficulty then you can expect Jedi as masters of

Except it's not the same thing and Jedi have never dealt with ability such as this before. Also, it was already shown that Aizen wasn't even being affected by it, since Shinji and the others had already been trapped and tricked within Aizen's Shikai. It's the reason why Gin didn't betray Aizen until he was certain it was the real one with the Hogyoku.

The color ability correspeonds with risk/reward. If he calls out green then he himself would deal no damage because he himself doesn't have any green on him, and would only make Yoda stronger.

It's why he would never do so and could just as well just hide in and impale them all through their shadows.

Hitsugaya calls out a blizzard and obscures vision? Force allows for Jedi to see into the future, do you really think they can't use it to sense where their enemy is?

In battle it's not more than a few seconds which doesn't help when all their opponents are much faster than they are. Hitsugaya also doesn't need to do something as cheap as obscuring their vision when he can just as well freeze them to death.

So Soifon dies after attempting to engage in hand-to-hand combat with Jedi which can crush the heads of multiple hard-material objects, her head is softer.

Objects don't have an inherent will to resist TK and Jedi, more often than not, need to See and Perceive what it is they're using the Force against in order for it to work. Soi-Fon can kill them all faster than they can blink. We'd already covered this. They've never Force Crushed a living creature. Much less any of the Prequel Jedi. Crushing Droids isn't impressive when Regular Soldiers can smash them and break them with their fists.

You're trying to compare cannon fodder to Giants.

Living for centuries=/= fighting continuously for centuries.

They actually do fight quite regularly since they deal with Hollows of all shapes and sizes, as well as quelling rebellions in the districts outside of the Seireitei. Kenpachi hates being bored, and during the Soul Society Arc when he went to face Komamura and Tousen, after their initial Shikai attacks, commented that his Morning Exercises were tougher.

But of course you're going to continue to pull shit out of your ass about Bleach characters creating black holes (lol, if that was a black hole the planet would have been destroyed, learn what a black hole actually is) and think that Yoda in EU or Mace Windu couldn't crush their heads in with the force when they have been shown to be capable of such feats.

It depends on the size of the black hole actually. Otherwise every time Miroku opened his hand in Inuyasha the world would've been destroyed. Or when Richard Guyot in "The Guyver" created a quasi black hole trying to kill Arkanphel the world would've been destroyed. It depends on size and force., and Guyots was actually effecting the surrounding area above ground. In BASTARD!! Dark Schneider used a Black Hole to absorb an attack and send it to another dimension and kept it open for only a fraction of a second because his was so powerful that any longer and it could've destroyed an entire continent. You keep going on about head crushing, when it's been explained it won't work, and that they've never done it to a living thing. Nor do you seem to understand that Shinigami are far stronger and more durable than living humans. And there's a reason why the majority of Jedi don't use Force Techniques in battle; it's cause they don't have the time to Focus and use them against individuals with similar or greater abilities. Such as Satele Shan against Darth Malgus on Alderaan. She only managed to use that Force Blast because she had the time and distance needed to use it while Malgus was off balance from a grenade. Here, we have a group of Jedi, none of which, save maybe Yoda, would be comparable to Satele in Force Power, who have abilities and powers far different from those of a Jedi and in many respects far stronger. Those like Byakuya, who use and have mastered a number of Kido, can even restrained and paralyze the Jedi with Binding Kido techniques. Not only that, but offensive Kido spells that can create large explosions and level buildings.

My thoughts exactly.

@UltimateHero0406: Your right.

@CerusSerenade: Apologies for the retarded statement.

Post by xlab3000 (1,394 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@ReiKai: @ChromeDisaster: Star Wars characters have relativistic-FTL reactions and have travel speed as hypersonic+ and Massively Hypersonic+ star wars characters have precognition and the force(they can sense each other from planets), Bleach Characters aren't near that

Post by ReiKai (3,515 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@xlab3000 said:

@ReiKai: @ChromeDisaster: Star Wars characters have relativistic-FTL reactions and have travel speed as hypersonic+ and Massively Hypersonic+ star wars characters have precognition and the force(they can sense each other from planets), Bleach Characters aren't near that

You keep saying it, but no one has done anything to prove it, and forming a Force Bond with your piers to sense them across long distance is not impressive when everyone and their brittle boned grandmother can do it. And that doesn't mean they know what each other are doing or what's going on and, more often than not, their sense or Feel of each other is vague and ambiguous.
Post by xlab3000 (1,394 posts) See mini bio Level 10
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