Janemba and Kid Buu Vs Mystic Gohan and Super Saiyan 3 Goku
good fight: team 2
Janemba and Kid Buu Vs Mystic Gohan and Super Saiyan 3 Goku
Topic started by comicfanforever on Oct. 8, 2009.
Last post by Flame809 3 years, 5 months ago.
@FLCL1 said:
Nope team 2 wins, for you see, goku was just getting used to the ssj3 form, but by the end of dbz it would have been like any other form, remember that when gohan first turned ssj he could not control it. Goku could have beaten kid buu but wanted Vegeta to fight. Janemba is good but Mystic Gohan should be able to hold his own, and if Goku and Gohan fuse, team 1 gets owned.
"@JThree47693 said:
"Team 1. Janemba wrecked Goku while he was at SS3, although Gohan is more powerful than Goku, I dont see him beating Janemba. "that was in janembas world but no that i think about it yea team one wins "
Nope team 2 wins, for you see, goku was just getting used to the ssj3 form, but by the end of dbz it would have been like any other form, remember that when gohan first turned ssj he could not control it. Goku could have beaten kid buu but wanted Vegeta to fight. Janemba is good but Mystic Gohan should be able to hold his own, and if Goku and Gohan fuse, team 1 gets owned.
Team 2 would win this for the following reasons:
Super Saiyan 3 Goku can hold his own with either fighter of the other team and is more than an equal match for Kid Buu. Super Saiyan 3 Goku did state that he did have the sufficient power to vaporize Kid Buu however it is unlikely and possibly a statement made simply to comfort Vegeta. Super Saiyan 3 Goku may still have enough power to completely destroy Kid Buu considering the fact that merely his transformation shook the world and caused apocalyptic hurricanes and tidal waves, if used correctly Goku can project the sufficient energy and power to erase all of Kid Buu's molecules rendering him unable to regenerate however there is still the problem of Kid Buu's limitless stamina and superior speed (only slightly faster). There is also the problem that if Goku consumes too much energy he will weaken himself and revert back to his base form and he will be quickly defeated, also it is unlikely that Goku had mastered the Super Saiyan 3 form like all of his other Super Saiyan forms because it consumes much more energy than any other form has by miles and also because it has been stated that he cannot gather his energy whilst in a living body to regain this form making it almost impractical to use it when not in Other World.
Mystic Gohan was proven to be more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku but to the extent of which is unknown considering that Akira Toriyama did state that Gohan surpassed all non-fused characters in the DBZ Universe in power and the fact that Super Saiyan 3 Goku stated that if he fought Super Buu he would be killed, the same Super Buu that Mystic Gohan effortlessly dominated. There is a good chance that Mystic Gohan can possibly defeat Janemba and during The Fusion Reborn movie it is shown that Goku successfully held his own against Janemba for a while in his Super Saiyan 3 form and that he was overwhelmed because of his lack of stamina in the form and massive energy consumption and because Mystic Gohan is more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku and does not have the disadvantages of massive energy consumption he can possibly defeat Janemba. Janemba also did not seem to be able to withstand physical attacks very well, a few blows from Super Saiyan 3 Goku had him nearly falling backwards and a double fisted punch by Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta had him shrieking in pain and it is likely that he can be beaten to death as he did not show any form of rapid regeneration and Gohan has shown to contain massive energy and power in his Mystic state so he could unleash it at any time to completely obliterate Janemba.
Mystic Gohan may also not fight Jameba and fight Kid Buu and because Gohan's power exceeded SSJ3 Goku's power who equaled Kid Buu's power it is logical for Mystic Gohan to overpower him however because Mystic Gohan has the arrogant demeanor of his Teen Super Saiyan 2 form he may toy with his enemies for sometime, Mystic Gohan could then vaporize Kid Buu but if he makes the fatal mistake of toying with Kid Buu he could be absorbed once again and cause his team to lose the battle however he may not toy with him learning from his mistake of toying with Super Buu and knowing that he can be absorbed if done so. Super Saiyan 3 Goku could then fight Janemba or both Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Goku could create a double team where they can quickly defeat Kid Buu and then proceed to destroy Janemba. It is also likely that Team 2 would win because they have the advantage of team work, being father and son and having experience teaming up with each other they have the better chances however Kid Buu and Janemba who are unable to even speak are mentally insane, psychotic and demons of pure evil who will likely not work together because of obvious reasons.
Team 2 wins barely.
Super Saiyan 3 Goku can hold his own with either fighter of the other team and is more than an equal match for Kid Buu. Super Saiyan 3 Goku did state that he did have the sufficient power to vaporize Kid Buu however it is unlikely and possibly a statement made simply to comfort Vegeta. Super Saiyan 3 Goku may still have enough power to completely destroy Kid Buu considering the fact that merely his transformation shook the world and caused apocalyptic hurricanes and tidal waves, if used correctly Goku can project the sufficient energy and power to erase all of Kid Buu's molecules rendering him unable to regenerate however there is still the problem of Kid Buu's limitless stamina and superior speed (only slightly faster). There is also the problem that if Goku consumes too much energy he will weaken himself and revert back to his base form and he will be quickly defeated, also it is unlikely that Goku had mastered the Super Saiyan 3 form like all of his other Super Saiyan forms because it consumes much more energy than any other form has by miles and also because it has been stated that he cannot gather his energy whilst in a living body to regain this form making it almost impractical to use it when not in Other World.
Mystic Gohan was proven to be more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku but to the extent of which is unknown considering that Akira Toriyama did state that Gohan surpassed all non-fused characters in the DBZ Universe in power and the fact that Super Saiyan 3 Goku stated that if he fought Super Buu he would be killed, the same Super Buu that Mystic Gohan effortlessly dominated. There is a good chance that Mystic Gohan can possibly defeat Janemba and during The Fusion Reborn movie it is shown that Goku successfully held his own against Janemba for a while in his Super Saiyan 3 form and that he was overwhelmed because of his lack of stamina in the form and massive energy consumption and because Mystic Gohan is more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku and does not have the disadvantages of massive energy consumption he can possibly defeat Janemba. Janemba also did not seem to be able to withstand physical attacks very well, a few blows from Super Saiyan 3 Goku had him nearly falling backwards and a double fisted punch by Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta had him shrieking in pain and it is likely that he can be beaten to death as he did not show any form of rapid regeneration and Gohan has shown to contain massive energy and power in his Mystic state so he could unleash it at any time to completely obliterate Janemba.
Mystic Gohan may also not fight Jameba and fight Kid Buu and because Gohan's power exceeded SSJ3 Goku's power who equaled Kid Buu's power it is logical for Mystic Gohan to overpower him however because Mystic Gohan has the arrogant demeanor of his Teen Super Saiyan 2 form he may toy with his enemies for sometime, Mystic Gohan could then vaporize Kid Buu but if he makes the fatal mistake of toying with Kid Buu he could be absorbed once again and cause his team to lose the battle however he may not toy with him learning from his mistake of toying with Super Buu and knowing that he can be absorbed if done so. Super Saiyan 3 Goku could then fight Janemba or both Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Goku could create a double team where they can quickly defeat Kid Buu and then proceed to destroy Janemba. It is also likely that Team 2 would win because they have the advantage of team work, being father and son and having experience teaming up with each other they have the better chances however Kid Buu and Janemba who are unable to even speak are mentally insane, psychotic and demons of pure evil who will likely not work together because of obvious reasons.
Team 2 wins barely.
@Newdeath said:
I love your posts. Thanks.
"Team 2 would win this for the following reasons: Super Saiyan 3 Goku can hold his own with either fighter of the other team and is more than an equal match for Kid Buu. Super Saiyan 3 Goku did state that he did have the sufficient power to vaporize Kid Buu however it is unlikely and possibly a statement made simply to comfort Vegeta. Super Saiyan 3 Goku may still have enough power to completely destroy Kid Buu considering the fact that merely his transformation shook the world and caused apocalyptic hurricanes and tidal waves, if used correctly Goku can project the sufficient energy and power to erase all of Kid Buu's molecules rendering him unable to regenerate however there is still the problem of Kid Buu's limitless stamina and superior speed (only slightly faster). There is also the problem that if Goku consumes too much energy he will weaken himself and revert back to his base form and he will be quickly defeated, also it is unlikely that Goku had mastered the Super Saiyan 3 form like all of his other Super Saiyan forms because it consumes much more energy than any other form has by miles and also because it has been stated that he cannot gather his energy whilst in a living body to regain this form making it almost impractical to use it when not in Other World. Mystic Gohan was proven to be more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku but to the extent of which is unknown considering that Akira Toriyama did state that Gohan surpassed all non-fused characters in the DBZ Universe in power and the fact that Super Saiyan 3 Goku stated that if he fought Super Buu he would be killed, the same Super Buu that Mystic Gohan effortlessly dominated. There is a good chance that Mystic Gohan can possibly defeat Janemba and during The Fusion Reborn movie it is shown that Goku successfully held his own against Janemba for a while in his Super Saiyan 3 form and that he was overwhelmed because of his lack of stamina in the form and massive energy consumption and because Mystic Gohan is more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku and does not have the disadvantages of massive energy consumption he can possibly defeat Janemba. Janemba also did not seem to be able to withstand physical attacks very well, a few blows from Super Saiyan 3 Goku had him nearly falling backwards and a double fisted punch by Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta had him shrieking in pain and it is likely that he can be beaten to death as he did not show any form of rapid regeneration and Gohan has shown to contain massive energy and power in his Mystic state so he could unleash it at any time to completely obliterate Janemba. Mystic Gohan may also not fight Jameba and fight Kid Buu and because Gohan's power exceeded SSJ3 Goku's power who equaled Kid Buu's power it is logical for Mystic Gohan to overpower him however because Mystic Gohan has the arrogant demeanor of his Teen Super Saiyan 2 form he may toy with his enemies for sometime, Mystic Gohan could then vaporize Kid Buu but if he makes the fatal mistake of toying with Kid Buu he could be absorbed once again and cause his team to lose the battle however he may not toy with him learning from his mistake of toying with Super Buu and knowing that he can be absorbed if done so. Super Saiyan 3 Goku could then fight Janemba or both Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Goku could create a double team where they can quickly defeat Kid Buu and then proceed to destroy Janemba. It is also likely that Team 2 would win because they have the advantage of team work, being father and son and having experience teaming up with each other they have the better chances however Kid Buu and Janemba who are unable to even speak are mentally insane, psychotic and demons of pure evil who will likely not work together because of obvious reasons. Team 2 wins barely. "
I love your posts. Thanks.
@comicfanforever said:
" @Newdeath said:Thank you.
"Team 2 would win this for the following reasons: Super Saiyan 3 Goku can hold his own with either fighter of the other team and is more than an equal match for Kid Buu. Super Saiyan 3 Goku did state that he did have the sufficient power to vaporize Kid Buu however it is unlikely and possibly a statement made simply to comfort Vegeta. Super Saiyan 3 Goku may still have enough power to completely destroy Kid Buu considering the fact that merely his transformation shook the world and caused apocalyptic hurricanes and tidal waves, if used correctly Goku can project the sufficient energy and power to erase all of Kid Buu's molecules rendering him unable to regenerate however there is still the problem of Kid Buu's limitless stamina and superior speed (only slightly faster). There is also the problem that if Goku consumes too much energy he will weaken himself and revert back to his base form and he will be quickly defeated, also it is unlikely that Goku had mastered the Super Saiyan 3 form like all of his other Super Saiyan forms because it consumes much more energy than any other form has by miles and also because it has been stated that he cannot gather his energy whilst in a living body to regain this form making it almost impractical to use it when not in Other World. Mystic Gohan was proven to be more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku but to the extent of which is unknown considering that Akira Toriyama did state that Gohan surpassed all non-fused characters in the DBZ Universe in power and the fact that Super Saiyan 3 Goku stated that if he fought Super Buu he would be killed, the same Super Buu that Mystic Gohan effortlessly dominated. There is a good chance that Mystic Gohan can possibly defeat Janemba and during The Fusion Reborn movie it is shown that Goku successfully held his own against Janemba for a while in his Super Saiyan 3 form and that he was overwhelmed because of his lack of stamina in the form and massive energy consumption and because Mystic Gohan is more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku and does not have the disadvantages of massive energy consumption he can possibly defeat Janemba. Janemba also did not seem to be able to withstand physical attacks very well, a few blows from Super Saiyan 3 Goku had him nearly falling backwards and a double fisted punch by Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta had him shrieking in pain and it is likely that he can be beaten to death as he did not show any form of rapid regeneration and Gohan has shown to contain massive energy and power in his Mystic state so he could unleash it at any time to completely obliterate Janemba. Mystic Gohan may also not fight Jameba and fight Kid Buu and because Gohan's power exceeded SSJ3 Goku's power who equaled Kid Buu's power it is logical for Mystic Gohan to overpower him however because Mystic Gohan has the arrogant demeanor of his Teen Super Saiyan 2 form he may toy with his enemies for sometime, Mystic Gohan could then vaporize Kid Buu but if he makes the fatal mistake of toying with Kid Buu he could be absorbed once again and cause his team to lose the battle however he may not toy with him learning from his mistake of toying with Super Buu and knowing that he can be absorbed if done so. Super Saiyan 3 Goku could then fight Janemba or both Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Goku could create a double team where they can quickly defeat Kid Buu and then proceed to destroy Janemba. It is also likely that Team 2 would win because they have the advantage of team work, being father and son and having experience teaming up with each other they have the better chances however Kid Buu and Janemba who are unable to even speak are mentally insane, psychotic and demons of pure evil who will likely not work together because of obvious reasons. Team 2 wins barely. "I love your posts. Thanks. "
@Newdeath said:
Damn you Newdeath!!! I was certain that team 1 takes this.
"Team 2 would win this for the following reasons: Super Saiyan 3 Goku can hold his own with either fighter of the other team and is more than an equal match for Kid Buu. Super Saiyan 3 Goku did state that he did have the sufficient power to vaporize Kid Buu however it is unlikely and possibly a statement made simply to comfort Vegeta. Super Saiyan 3 Goku may still have enough power to completely destroy Kid Buu considering the fact that merely his transformation shook the world and caused apocalyptic hurricanes and tidal waves, if used correctly Goku can project the sufficient energy and power to erase all of Kid Buu's molecules rendering him unable to regenerate however there is still the problem of Kid Buu's limitless stamina and superior speed (only slightly faster). There is also the problem that if Goku consumes too much energy he will weaken himself and revert back to his base form and he will be quickly defeated, also it is unlikely that Goku had mastered the Super Saiyan 3 form like all of his other Super Saiyan forms because it consumes much more energy than any other form has by miles and also because it has been stated that he cannot gather his energy whilst in a living body to regain this form making it almost impractical to use it when not in Other World. Mystic Gohan was proven to be more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku but to the extent of which is unknown considering that Akira Toriyama did state that Gohan surpassed all non-fused characters in the DBZ Universe in power and the fact that Super Saiyan 3 Goku stated that if he fought Super Buu he would be killed, the same Super Buu that Mystic Gohan effortlessly dominated. There is a good chance that Mystic Gohan can possibly defeat Janemba and during The Fusion Reborn movie it is shown that Goku successfully held his own against Janemba for a while in his Super Saiyan 3 form and that he was overwhelmed because of his lack of stamina in the form and massive energy consumption and because Mystic Gohan is more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku and does not have the disadvantages of massive energy consumption he can possibly defeat Janemba. Janemba also did not seem to be able to withstand physical attacks very well, a few blows from Super Saiyan 3 Goku had him nearly falling backwards and a double fisted punch by Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta had him shrieking in pain and it is likely that he can be beaten to death as he did not show any form of rapid regeneration and Gohan has shown to contain massive energy and power in his Mystic state so he could unleash it at any time to completely obliterate Janemba. Mystic Gohan may also not fight Jameba and fight Kid Buu and because Gohan's power exceeded SSJ3 Goku's power who equaled Kid Buu's power it is logical for Mystic Gohan to overpower him however because Mystic Gohan has the arrogant demeanor of his Teen Super Saiyan 2 form he may toy with his enemies for sometime, Mystic Gohan could then vaporize Kid Buu but if he makes the fatal mistake of toying with Kid Buu he could be absorbed once again and cause his team to lose the battle however he may not toy with him learning from his mistake of toying with Super Buu and knowing that he can be absorbed if done so. Super Saiyan 3 Goku could then fight Janemba or both Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Goku could create a double team where they can quickly defeat Kid Buu and then proceed to destroy Janemba. It is also likely that Team 2 would win because they have the advantage of team work, being father and son and having experience teaming up with each other they have the better chances however Kid Buu and Janemba who are unable to even speak are mentally insane, psychotic and demons of pure evil who will likely not work together because of obvious reasons. Team 2 wins barely. "
Damn you Newdeath!!! I was certain that team 1 takes this.
@JThree47693 said:
" @Newdeath said:Things are not always as they seem :P
"Team 2 would win this for the following reasons: Super Saiyan 3 Goku can hold his own with either fighter of the other team and is more than an equal match for Kid Buu. Super Saiyan 3 Goku did state that he did have the sufficient power to vaporize Kid Buu however it is unlikely and possibly a statement made simply to comfort Vegeta. Super Saiyan 3 Goku may still have enough power to completely destroy Kid Buu considering the fact that merely his transformation shook the world and caused apocalyptic hurricanes and tidal waves, if used correctly Goku can project the sufficient energy and power to erase all of Kid Buu's molecules rendering him unable to regenerate however there is still the problem of Kid Buu's limitless stamina and superior speed (only slightly faster). There is also the problem that if Goku consumes too much energy he will weaken himself and revert back to his base form and he will be quickly defeated, also it is unlikely that Goku had mastered the Super Saiyan 3 form like all of his other Super Saiyan forms because it consumes much more energy than any other form has by miles and also because it has been stated that he cannot gather his energy whilst in a living body to regain this form making it almost impractical to use it when not in Other World. Mystic Gohan was proven to be more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku but to the extent of which is unknown considering that Akira Toriyama did state that Gohan surpassed all non-fused characters in the DBZ Universe in power and the fact that Super Saiyan 3 Goku stated that if he fought Super Buu he would be killed, the same Super Buu that Mystic Gohan effortlessly dominated. There is a good chance that Mystic Gohan can possibly defeat Janemba and during The Fusion Reborn movie it is shown that Goku successfully held his own against Janemba for a while in his Super Saiyan 3 form and that he was overwhelmed because of his lack of stamina in the form and massive energy consumption and because Mystic Gohan is more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku and does not have the disadvantages of massive energy consumption he can possibly defeat Janemba. Janemba also did not seem to be able to withstand physical attacks very well, a few blows from Super Saiyan 3 Goku had him nearly falling backwards and a double fisted punch by Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta had him shrieking in pain and it is likely that he can be beaten to death as he did not show any form of rapid regeneration and Gohan has shown to contain massive energy and power in his Mystic state so he could unleash it at any time to completely obliterate Janemba. Mystic Gohan may also not fight Jameba and fight Kid Buu and because Gohan's power exceeded SSJ3 Goku's power who equaled Kid Buu's power it is logical for Mystic Gohan to overpower him however because Mystic Gohan has the arrogant demeanor of his Teen Super Saiyan 2 form he may toy with his enemies for sometime, Mystic Gohan could then vaporize Kid Buu but if he makes the fatal mistake of toying with Kid Buu he could be absorbed once again and cause his team to lose the battle however he may not toy with him learning from his mistake of toying with Super Buu and knowing that he can be absorbed if done so. Super Saiyan 3 Goku could then fight Janemba or both Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Goku could create a double team where they can quickly defeat Kid Buu and then proceed to destroy Janemba. It is also likely that Team 2 would win because they have the advantage of team work, being father and son and having experience teaming up with each other they have the better chances however Kid Buu and Janemba who are unable to even speak are mentally insane, psychotic and demons of pure evil who will likely not work together because of obvious reasons. Team 2 wins barely. "Damn you Newdeath!!! I was certain that team 1 takes this. "
@Newdeath said:
i disagree
"Team 2 would win this for the following reasons: Super Saiyan 3 Goku can hold his own with either fighter of the other team and is more than an equal match for Kid Buu. Super Saiyan 3 Goku did state that he did have the sufficient power to vaporize Kid Buu however it is unlikely and possibly a statement made simply to comfort Vegeta. Super Saiyan 3 Goku may still have enough power to completely destroy Kid Buu considering the fact that merely his transformation shook the world and caused apocalyptic hurricanes and tidal waves, if used correctly Goku can project the sufficient energy and power to erase all of Kid Buu's molecules rendering him unable to regenerate however there is still the problem of Kid Buu's limitless stamina and superior speed (only slightly faster). There is also the problem that if Goku consumes too much energy he will weaken himself and revert back to his base form and he will be quickly defeated, also it is unlikely that Goku had mastered the Super Saiyan 3 form like all of his other Super Saiyan forms because it consumes much more energy than any other form has by miles and also because it has been stated that he cannot gather his energy whilst in a living body to regain this form making it almost impractical to use it when not in Other World. Mystic Gohan was proven to be more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku but to the extent of which is unknown considering that Akira Toriyama did state that Gohan surpassed all non-fused characters in the DBZ Universe in power and the fact that Super Saiyan 3 Goku stated that if he fought Super Buu he would be killed, the same Super Buu that Mystic Gohan effortlessly dominated. There is a good chance that Mystic Gohan can possibly defeat Janemba and during The Fusion Reborn movie it is shown that Goku successfully held his own against Janemba for a while in his Super Saiyan 3 form and that he was overwhelmed because of his lack of stamina in the form and massive energy consumption and because Mystic Gohan is more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku and does not have the disadvantages of massive energy consumption he can possibly defeat Janemba. Janemba also did not seem to be able to withstand physical attacks very well, a few blows from Super Saiyan 3 Goku had him nearly falling backwards and a double fisted punch by Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta had him shrieking in pain and it is likely that he can be beaten to death as he did not show any form of rapid regeneration and Gohan has shown to contain massive energy and power in his Mystic state so he could unleash it at any time to completely obliterate Janemba. Mystic Gohan may also not fight Jameba and fight Kid Buu and because Gohan's power exceeded SSJ3 Goku's power who equaled Kid Buu's power it is logical for Mystic Gohan to overpower him however because Mystic Gohan has the arrogant demeanor of his Teen Super Saiyan 2 form he may toy with his enemies for sometime, Mystic Gohan could then vaporize Kid Buu but if he makes the fatal mistake of toying with Kid Buu he could be absorbed once again and cause his team to lose the battle however he may not toy with him learning from his mistake of toying with Super Buu and knowing that he can be absorbed if done so. Super Saiyan 3 Goku could then fight Janemba or both Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Goku could create a double team where they can quickly defeat Kid Buu and then proceed to destroy Janemba. It is also likely that Team 2 would win because they have the advantage of team work, being father and son and having experience teaming up with each other they have the better chances however Kid Buu and Janemba who are unable to even speak are mentally insane, psychotic and demons of pure evil who will likely not work together because of obvious reasons. Team 2 wins barely. "
i disagree
@FLCL1 said:
FIGHT THA POWA!!!!!!!!!!!!
"@Newdeath said:
"Team 2 would win this for the following reasons: Super Saiyan 3 Goku can hold his own with either fighter of the other team and is more than an equal match for Kid Buu. Super Saiyan 3 Goku did state that he did have the sufficient power to vaporize Kid Buu however it is unlikely and possibly a statement made simply to comfort Vegeta. Super Saiyan 3 Goku may still have enough power to completely destroy Kid Buu considering the fact that merely his transformation shook the world and caused apocalyptic hurricanes and tidal waves, if used correctly Goku can project the sufficient energy and power to erase all of Kid Buu's molecules rendering him unable to regenerate however there is still the problem of Kid Buu's limitless stamina and superior speed (only slightly faster). There is also the problem that if Goku consumes too much energy he will weaken himself and revert back to his base form and he will be quickly defeated, also it is unlikely that Goku had mastered the Super Saiyan 3 form like all of his other Super Saiyan forms because it consumes much more energy than any other form has by miles and also because it has been stated that he cannot gather his energy whilst in a living body to regain this form making it almost impractical to use it when not in Other World. Mystic Gohan was proven to be more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku but to the extent of which is unknown considering that Akira Toriyama did state that Gohan surpassed all non-fused characters in the DBZ Universe in power and the fact that Super Saiyan 3 Goku stated that if he fought Super Buu he would be killed, the same Super Buu that Mystic Gohan effortlessly dominated. There is a good chance that Mystic Gohan can possibly defeat Janemba and during The Fusion Reborn movie it is shown that Goku successfully held his own against Janemba for a while in his Super Saiyan 3 form and that he was overwhelmed because of his lack of stamina in the form and massive energy consumption and because Mystic Gohan is more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku and does not have the disadvantages of massive energy consumption he can possibly defeat Janemba. Janemba also did not seem to be able to withstand physical attacks very well, a few blows from Super Saiyan 3 Goku had him nearly falling backwards and a double fisted punch by Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta had him shrieking in pain and it is likely that he can be beaten to death as he did not show any form of rapid regeneration and Gohan has shown to contain massive energy and power in his Mystic state so he could unleash it at any time to completely obliterate Janemba. Mystic Gohan may also not fight Jameba and fight Kid Buu and because Gohan's power exceeded SSJ3 Goku's power who equaled Kid Buu's power it is logical for Mystic Gohan to overpower him however because Mystic Gohan has the arrogant demeanor of his Teen Super Saiyan 2 form he may toy with his enemies for sometime, Mystic Gohan could then vaporize Kid Buu but if he makes the fatal mistake of toying with Kid Buu he could be absorbed once again and cause his team to lose the battle however he may not toy with him learning from his mistake of toying with Super Buu and knowing that he can be absorbed if done so. Super Saiyan 3 Goku could then fight Janemba or both Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Goku could create a double team where they can quickly defeat Kid Buu and then proceed to destroy Janemba. It is also likely that Team 2 would win because they have the advantage of team work, being father and son and having experience teaming up with each other they have the better chances however Kid Buu and Janemba who are unable to even speak are mentally insane, psychotic and demons of pure evil who will likely not work together because of obvious reasons. Team 2 wins barely. "i disagree "
FIGHT THA POWA!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Sonata said:
lol ok
during the buu saga super buu absorbed SS3 gotanks and mysic gohan and SS3 goku was fighting him and loseing badly
losing so bad gohan and goku needed to fuse
i kno wat ur thinking SS3 super is strong but we all kno hes not as strong as kid buu
SS3 goku can not hold his own for the following reason:
it doesnt last long its like a SUV it waste gas and goku will tire faster
also the only thing SS3 can do is duck and dodge
its true Janemba is the weak link however he is more than qulifyied to hold his own against goku while kid buu takes out goku
kid buu can destroy the planet and kill every one kid buu has show he can survive in space
Mystic Gohan will give buu a good run but death is still coming
"LOL this I gotta hear. "
lol ok
during the buu saga super buu absorbed SS3 gotanks and mysic gohan and SS3 goku was fighting him and loseing badly
losing so bad gohan and goku needed to fuse
i kno wat ur thinking SS3 super is strong but we all kno hes not as strong as kid buu
SS3 goku can not hold his own for the following reason:
it doesnt last long its like a SUV it waste gas and goku will tire faster
also the only thing SS3 can do is duck and dodge
its true Janemba is the weak link however he is more than qulifyied to hold his own against goku while kid buu takes out goku
kid buu can destroy the planet and kill every one kid buu has show he can survive in space
Mystic Gohan will give buu a good run but death is still coming
@FLCL1 said:
The only reason Super Buu was defeating Gohan and Goku was because he absorbed Gotenks, second of all the Buu that Goku was referring to when he said he would die if he fought was the default Super Buu who had absorbed nobody, the same Super Buu that Gohan was dominating.
What's your point?
Super Saiyan 3 Goku obviously had the sufficient power to completely vaporize Kid Buu and the only reason he didn't was so that he could allow Vegeta to fight, second of all SSJ3 Goku did not use any form of energy projection that would have completely obliterated Kid Buu and it is obvious that he could considering the fact that by transforming and unleashing his energy for the first time he nearly tore the Earth apart.
Super Saiyan 3 Goku was holding his own against Kid Buu and he was NOT attempting to destroy him because of wanting Vegeta to fight.
Are you insane? SSJ3 can only duck and dodge? Please, SSJ3 Goku withstood a full blunt force punch from Majin Buu (Not Kid Buu) without sustaining any physical damage and smiling at the outcome.
Kid Buu and Janemba are a terrible team to begin with given the fact that they are both mentally insane demons who will likely not coexist and attempt to destroy each other. Gohan had more power than Goku as shown when he dominated Super Buu and should have enough closeted power to completely obliterate Kid Buu, second of all Gohan has much more power than SSJ3 Goku, SSJ3 Goku was being dominated from the start when he fought Super Buu absorbed Gotenks while Gohan managed to fight him evenly for a period of time similar to how Goku fought Janemba. Janemba is the weak link because he cannot withstand physical attacks, a double fisted punch from SSJ2 Vegeta had him shrieking in pain.
Who said they are fighting on a planet? Goku has already been proven to be able to withstand the destruction of a planet during the Frieza Saga, and Mystic Gohan who is more powerful should be able to as well and back then Goku was an untrained Super Saiyan.
Mystic Gohan can very well defeat Kid Buu if Goku could have destroyed him but didn't because he wanted Vegeta to fight.
You didn't make a proper case as to why you think the two demons would win.
Team 2 wins.
" @Sonata said:Oh please FLCL1 I thought you were a better debater than this.
lol ok during the buu saga super buu absorbed SS3 gotanks and mysic gohan and SS3 goku was fighting him and loseing badly losing so bad gohan and goku needed to fuse i kno wat ur thinking SS3 super is strong but we all kno hes not as strong as kid buu SS3 goku can not hold his own for the following reason: it doesnt last long its like a SUV it waste gas and goku will tire faster also the only thing SS3 can do is duck and dodge its true Janemba is the weak link however he is more than qulifyied to hold his own against goku while kid buu takes out goku kid buu can destroy the planet and kill every one kid buu has show he can survive in space Mystic Gohan will give buu a good run but death is still coming ""LOL this I gotta hear. "
The only reason Super Buu was defeating Gohan and Goku was because he absorbed Gotenks, second of all the Buu that Goku was referring to when he said he would die if he fought was the default Super Buu who had absorbed nobody, the same Super Buu that Gohan was dominating.
What's your point?
Super Saiyan 3 Goku obviously had the sufficient power to completely vaporize Kid Buu and the only reason he didn't was so that he could allow Vegeta to fight, second of all SSJ3 Goku did not use any form of energy projection that would have completely obliterated Kid Buu and it is obvious that he could considering the fact that by transforming and unleashing his energy for the first time he nearly tore the Earth apart.
Super Saiyan 3 Goku was holding his own against Kid Buu and he was NOT attempting to destroy him because of wanting Vegeta to fight.
Are you insane? SSJ3 can only duck and dodge? Please, SSJ3 Goku withstood a full blunt force punch from Majin Buu (Not Kid Buu) without sustaining any physical damage and smiling at the outcome.
Kid Buu and Janemba are a terrible team to begin with given the fact that they are both mentally insane demons who will likely not coexist and attempt to destroy each other. Gohan had more power than Goku as shown when he dominated Super Buu and should have enough closeted power to completely obliterate Kid Buu, second of all Gohan has much more power than SSJ3 Goku, SSJ3 Goku was being dominated from the start when he fought Super Buu absorbed Gotenks while Gohan managed to fight him evenly for a period of time similar to how Goku fought Janemba. Janemba is the weak link because he cannot withstand physical attacks, a double fisted punch from SSJ2 Vegeta had him shrieking in pain.
Who said they are fighting on a planet? Goku has already been proven to be able to withstand the destruction of a planet during the Frieza Saga, and Mystic Gohan who is more powerful should be able to as well and back then Goku was an untrained Super Saiyan.
Mystic Gohan can very well defeat Kid Buu if Goku could have destroyed him but didn't because he wanted Vegeta to fight.
You didn't make a proper case as to why you think the two demons would win.
Team 2 wins.
@Newdeath said:
wow either ur extremely wrong or DBZ characters are insane
BTW "Oh please FLCL1 I thought you were a better debater than this." is getting old just because i dont agree with you doesnt mean im a terrible debater (not that u said it, it just feels that was)
SS3 super buu is not stronger than KID BUU goku fought SS3 buu and was getting utterly dominated thats FACT gohan and goku was trying to find the earrings because he was so strong
majin buu is nowhere stronger than super buu i dont even kno why u involved that fact
buu was repeatedly blown up through out the season and revived he even revived a planet busting attack wat makes u think kid buu can come back from a kamhamaha? only a sprit bomb kill him because evil cant reflect it thats fact
we never really seen janmba fight with out reality warping and showing his limits he got destoyed by an attack that targets the soul.
kid buu can just destroy the earth can they survive that? no
gohan cannot take kid buu and even if he could again wats stopping him from turning him to candy orf destroying the earth?
kid buu and janmba is a perfact team because their ruthless goku and gohan isnt
u said goku could have destroyed kid buu. NO if he could why did he sit by and let him destroy so many planets? why does he need vegata's help?
"Who said they are fighting on a planet? Goku has already been proven to be able to withstand the destruction of a planet during the Frieza Saga, and Mystic Gohan who is more powerful should be able to as well and back then Goku was an untrained Super Saiyan."
seriously newdeath? if they wasnt fighting on a planet they will be dead.
where would they be fighting then because they cant survive in space
yes i did make a proper case goku can kill janmba in time but kid buu will also handle gohan in time leading to a worn out SS3 and a ruthless buu
team one wins
" @FLCL1 said:
" @Sonata said:Oh please FLCL1 I thought you were a better debater than this. The only reason Super Buu was defeating Gohan and Goku was because he absorbed Gotenks, second of all the Buu that Goku was referring to when he said he would die if he fought was the default Super Buu who had absorbed nobody, the same Super Buu that Gohan was dominating. What's your point? Super Saiyan 3 Goku obviously had the sufficient power to completely vaporize Kid Buu and the only reason he didn't was so that he could allow Vegeta to fight, second of all SSJ3 Goku did not use any form of energy projection that would have completely obliterated Kid Buu and it is obvious that he could considering the fact that by transforming and unleashing his energy for the first time he nearly tore the Earth apart. Super Saiyan 3 Goku was holding his own against Kid Buu and he was NOT attempting to destroy him because of wanting Vegeta to fight. Are you insane? SSJ3 can only duck and dodge? Please, SSJ3 Goku withstood a full blunt force punch from Majin Buu (Not Kid Buu) without sustaining any physical damage and smiling at the outcome. Kid Buu and Janemba are a terrible team to begin with given the fact that they are both mentally insane demons who will likely not coexist and attempt to destroy each other. Gohan had more power than Goku as shown when he dominated Super Buu and should have enough closeted power to completely obliterate Kid Buu, second of all Gohan has much more power than SSJ3 Goku, SSJ3 Goku was being dominated from the start when he fought Super Buu absorbed Gotenks while Gohan managed to fight him evenly for a period of time similar to how Goku fought Janemba. Janemba is the weak link because he cannot withstand physical attacks, a double fisted punch from SSJ2 Vegeta had him shrieking in pain. Who said they are fighting on a planet? Goku has already been proven to be able to withstand the destruction of a planet during the Frieza Saga, and Mystic Gohan who is more powerful should be able to as well and back then Goku was an untrained Super Saiyan. Mystic Gohan can very well defeat Kid Buu if Goku could have destroyed him but didn't because he wanted Vegeta to fight. You didn't make a proper case as to why you think the two demons would win. Team 2 wins. "
lol ok during the buu saga super buu absorbed SS3 gotanks and mysic gohan and SS3 goku was fighting him and loseing badly losing so bad gohan and goku needed to fuse i kno wat ur thinking SS3 super is strong but we all kno hes not as strong as kid buu SS3 goku can not hold his own for the following reason: it doesnt last long its like a SUV it waste gas and goku will tire faster also the only thing SS3 can do is duck and dodge its true Janemba is the weak link however he is more than qulifyied to hold his own against goku while kid buu takes out goku kid buu can destroy the planet and kill every one kid buu has show he can survive in space Mystic Gohan will give buu a good run but death is still coming ""LOL this I gotta hear. "
wow either ur extremely wrong or DBZ characters are insane
BTW "Oh please FLCL1 I thought you were a better debater than this." is getting old just because i dont agree with you doesnt mean im a terrible debater (not that u said it, it just feels that was)
SS3 super buu is not stronger than KID BUU goku fought SS3 buu and was getting utterly dominated thats FACT gohan and goku was trying to find the earrings because he was so strong
majin buu is nowhere stronger than super buu i dont even kno why u involved that fact
buu was repeatedly blown up through out the season and revived he even revived a planet busting attack wat makes u think kid buu can come back from a kamhamaha? only a sprit bomb kill him because evil cant reflect it thats fact
we never really seen janmba fight with out reality warping and showing his limits he got destoyed by an attack that targets the soul.
kid buu can just destroy the earth can they survive that? no
gohan cannot take kid buu and even if he could again wats stopping him from turning him to candy orf destroying the earth?
kid buu and janmba is a perfact team because their ruthless goku and gohan isnt
u said goku could have destroyed kid buu. NO if he could why did he sit by and let him destroy so many planets? why does he need vegata's help?
"Who said they are fighting on a planet? Goku has already been proven to be able to withstand the destruction of a planet during the Frieza Saga, and Mystic Gohan who is more powerful should be able to as well and back then Goku was an untrained Super Saiyan."
seriously newdeath? if they wasnt fighting on a planet they will be dead.
where would they be fighting then because they cant survive in space
yes i did make a proper case goku can kill janmba in time but kid buu will also handle gohan in time leading to a worn out SS3 and a ruthless buu
team one wins
@FLCL1 said:
I said the Super Buu he was dominating was not the absorbed version it was plain and simple Super Buu not Super Buu absorbed anyone. Yes they were desperately trying to fuse but what should be noted is that Mystic Gohan actually managed to fight evenly with Super Buu absorbed Gotenks for a while however Goku was dominated from the start.
I involved Majin Buu because you said SSJ3 Goku onlu ducks and dodges which isn't true.
No. Kid Buu blew himself up and regenerated because there was always one molecule of himself left so that he can regenerate, it is impossible to regenerate from nothing. No it is not only The Spirit Bomb that can kill him just because he is evil. If SSJ3 Goku projected enough massive and powerful energy to completely erase every molecule from Kid Buu then he would have killed him because Kid Buu would have nothing to regenerate from, you do not regenerate from nothing, that is how the Spirit Bomb destroyed him, it erased every one of his molecules rendering him unable to regenerate just like how SSJ2 Gohan defeated Super Perfect Cell who could regenerate from anything, he also blew himself up and then regenerated because one of his molecules were left and the only way they killed him was by erasing all of his molecules.
Janemba couldn't withstand physical attacks very well given the fact that he couldn't withstand nearly any blow without screaming in pain. There is no evidence suggesting that he cannot be vaporized by energy projection because nobody has ever attempted to do so.
No. Super Saiyan Goku from the Frieza Saga who is much weaker than this Goku survived the explosion of a much larger planet so what makes you think he won't survive the explosion of Earth? The same goes for Gohan. And it is never stated if they are even fighting on a planet.
Are you insane? Being ruthless doesn't make you a good team. Being cooperative and willing to do teamwork makes you a good team. They are both insane monsters who could easily turn on each other because they are completely mindless and their only purpose is to destroy. Ares from Marvel isn't even a good teammate and he is ruthless and smarter than these two. Gohan and Goku have experience of being on a team and have fought side by side.
He didn't need Vegeta's help. Vegeta came along because he wanted to fight. Goku wasn't even near Earth when Kid Buu was destroying it and the other planets, once he transformed into a Super Saiyan 3 and let Vegeta fight he clearly stated that he had enough power to destroy Kid Buu but didn't because he wanted Vegeta to fight.
There have been instances where Saiyans are seen surviving in space: Bardock when confronting Frieza and Broly and Paragus during Broly's first appearance. Frieza only said Goku can't survive in space in a possible effort to frighten him.
No Team one loses because SSJ3 Goku already has the default power to destroy Kid Buu while Gohan has the power to destroy Janemba.
" @Newdeath said:I said that because you didn't prove anything in your previous post. And how is it getting old if this is the first time I said it? What I said last time was I didn't expect that from you. I said you were being a terrible debater because you were WRONG not because I didn't agree with you.
" @FLCL1 said:wow either ur extremely wrong or DBZ characters are insane BTW "Oh please FLCL1 I thought you were a better debater than this." is getting old just because i dont agree with you doesnt mean im a terrible debater (not that u said it, it just feels that was) SS3 super buu is not stronger than KID BUU goku fought SS3 buu and was getting utterly dominated thats FACT gohan and goku was trying to find the earrings because he was so strong majin buu is nowhere stronger than super buu i dont even kno why u involved that fact buu was repeatedly blown up through out the season and revived he even revived a planet busting attack wat makes u think kid buu can come back from a kamhamaha? only a sprit bomb kill him because evil cant reflect it thats fact we never really seen janmba fight with out reality warping and showing his limits he got destoyed by an attack that targets the soul. kid buu can just destroy the earth can they survive that? no gohan cannot take kid buu and even if he could again wats stopping him from turning him to candy orf destroying the earth? kid buu and janmba is a perfact team because their ruthless goku and gohan isnt u said goku could have destroyed kid buu. NO if he could why did he sit by and let him destroy so many planets? why does he need vegata's help? "Who said they are fighting on a planet? Goku has already been proven to be able to withstand the destruction of a planet during the Frieza Saga, and Mystic Gohan who is more powerful should be able to as well and back then Goku was an untrained Super Saiyan." seriously newdeath? if they wasnt fighting on a planet they will be dead. where would they be fighting then because they cant survive in space yes i did make a proper case goku can kill janmba in time but kid buu will also handle gohan in time leading to a worn out SS3 and a ruthless buu team one wins "
" @Sonata said:Oh please FLCL1 I thought you were a better debater than this. The only reason Super Buu was defeating Gohan and Goku was because he absorbed Gotenks, second of all the Buu that Goku was referring to when he said he would die if he fought was the default Super Buu who had absorbed nobody, the same Super Buu that Gohan was dominating. What's your point? Super Saiyan 3 Goku obviously had the sufficient power to completely vaporize Kid Buu and the only reason he didn't was so that he could allow Vegeta to fight, second of all SSJ3 Goku did not use any form of energy projection that would have completely obliterated Kid Buu and it is obvious that he could considering the fact that by transforming and unleashing his energy for the first time he nearly tore the Earth apart. Super Saiyan 3 Goku was holding his own against Kid Buu and he was NOT attempting to destroy him because of wanting Vegeta to fight. Are you insane? SSJ3 can only duck and dodge? Please, SSJ3 Goku withstood a full blunt force punch from Majin Buu (Not Kid Buu) without sustaining any physical damage and smiling at the outcome. Kid Buu and Janemba are a terrible team to begin with given the fact that they are both mentally insane demons who will likely not coexist and attempt to destroy each other. Gohan had more power than Goku as shown when he dominated Super Buu and should have enough closeted power to completely obliterate Kid Buu, second of all Gohan has much more power than SSJ3 Goku, SSJ3 Goku was being dominated from the start when he fought Super Buu absorbed Gotenks while Gohan managed to fight him evenly for a period of time similar to how Goku fought Janemba. Janemba is the weak link because he cannot withstand physical attacks, a double fisted punch from SSJ2 Vegeta had him shrieking in pain. Who said they are fighting on a planet? Goku has already been proven to be able to withstand the destruction of a planet during the Frieza Saga, and Mystic Gohan who is more powerful should be able to as well and back then Goku was an untrained Super Saiyan. Mystic Gohan can very well defeat Kid Buu if Goku could have destroyed him but didn't because he wanted Vegeta to fight. You didn't make a proper case as to why you think the two demons would win. Team 2 wins. "
lol ok during the buu saga super buu absorbed SS3 gotanks and mysic gohan and SS3 goku was fighting him and loseing badly losing so bad gohan and goku needed to fuse i kno wat ur thinking SS3 super is strong but we all kno hes not as strong as kid buu SS3 goku can not hold his own for the following reason: it doesnt last long its like a SUV it waste gas and goku will tire faster also the only thing SS3 can do is duck and dodge its true Janemba is the weak link however he is more than qulifyied to hold his own against goku while kid buu takes out goku kid buu can destroy the planet and kill every one kid buu has show he can survive in space Mystic Gohan will give buu a good run but death is still coming ""LOL this I gotta hear. "
I said the Super Buu he was dominating was not the absorbed version it was plain and simple Super Buu not Super Buu absorbed anyone. Yes they were desperately trying to fuse but what should be noted is that Mystic Gohan actually managed to fight evenly with Super Buu absorbed Gotenks for a while however Goku was dominated from the start.
I involved Majin Buu because you said SSJ3 Goku onlu ducks and dodges which isn't true.
No. Kid Buu blew himself up and regenerated because there was always one molecule of himself left so that he can regenerate, it is impossible to regenerate from nothing. No it is not only The Spirit Bomb that can kill him just because he is evil. If SSJ3 Goku projected enough massive and powerful energy to completely erase every molecule from Kid Buu then he would have killed him because Kid Buu would have nothing to regenerate from, you do not regenerate from nothing, that is how the Spirit Bomb destroyed him, it erased every one of his molecules rendering him unable to regenerate just like how SSJ2 Gohan defeated Super Perfect Cell who could regenerate from anything, he also blew himself up and then regenerated because one of his molecules were left and the only way they killed him was by erasing all of his molecules.
Janemba couldn't withstand physical attacks very well given the fact that he couldn't withstand nearly any blow without screaming in pain. There is no evidence suggesting that he cannot be vaporized by energy projection because nobody has ever attempted to do so.
No. Super Saiyan Goku from the Frieza Saga who is much weaker than this Goku survived the explosion of a much larger planet so what makes you think he won't survive the explosion of Earth? The same goes for Gohan. And it is never stated if they are even fighting on a planet.
Are you insane? Being ruthless doesn't make you a good team. Being cooperative and willing to do teamwork makes you a good team. They are both insane monsters who could easily turn on each other because they are completely mindless and their only purpose is to destroy. Ares from Marvel isn't even a good teammate and he is ruthless and smarter than these two. Gohan and Goku have experience of being on a team and have fought side by side.
He didn't need Vegeta's help. Vegeta came along because he wanted to fight. Goku wasn't even near Earth when Kid Buu was destroying it and the other planets, once he transformed into a Super Saiyan 3 and let Vegeta fight he clearly stated that he had enough power to destroy Kid Buu but didn't because he wanted Vegeta to fight.
There have been instances where Saiyans are seen surviving in space: Bardock when confronting Frieza and Broly and Paragus during Broly's first appearance. Frieza only said Goku can't survive in space in a possible effort to frighten him.
No Team one loses because SSJ3 Goku already has the default power to destroy Kid Buu while Gohan has the power to destroy Janemba.
Im sorry, but Janemba has already shown that he could beat the hell out of Goku. And lets not forget, this was a dead, full powered SSJ3 Goku he was fighting, he didnt really have to worry about exahausting his ki, and Janemba made him look like a bitch. And it wasnt due to him having remade hell, it was with his own power. Mystic Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Goku, but I still dont see him taking Janemba, Kid Buu yea, but Janemba, no. Team 1 would win this.
@JThree47693 said:
" Im sorry, but Janemba has already shown that he could beat the hell out of Goku. And lets not forget, this was a dead, full powered SSJ3 Goku he was fighting, he didnt really have to worry about exahausting his ki, and Janemba made him look like a bitch. And it wasnt due to him having remade hell, it was with his own power. Mystic Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Goku, but I still dont see him taking Janemba, Kid Buu yea, but Janemba, no. Team 1 would win this. "Janemba could barely take a double fisted punch from a Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta, he cannot handle physical attacks very well. Gohan can possibly destroy Janemba, Janemba overwhelmed Goku because of his reality warping abilities constantly reappearing in different locations reversing Goku's attacks and such. Janemba can likely be beaten to death given the fact that he did not show any sign of rapid molecular regeneration and because he cannot handle physical attacks properly he will be in much trouble with Gohan who can likely project enough power to seriously keep Janemba busy. Also Gohan can defeat Kid Buu as well as Goku, Gohan could defeat Kid Buu while Goku handles Janemba, Goku was already shown to be able to hold his own against Janemba for a good while and it is likely that if Gohan unleashes all of his power he can vaporize Kid Buu and could then theoretically fuse with Goku to destroy Janemba.
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