Ichigo vs Gilgamesh vs Sephiroth

Topic started by UnHoLy_CruSadE on June 23, 2011. Last post by CerusSerenade 1 year, 6 months ago.
Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

@supernova7005: He needs prep-time for meteor. Gil has his armor, which gives him defense superior to that of Bellerophon, since the later got vaporized by Excalibur while Gil's armor didn't. And Gil dodged Excalibur in the final part of F/Z, which reaches hundreds of meters into the sky in seconds, so he has above mach 20 speed (at least in reactions), plus Rider did the same thing. And Gil's random swords were stated to cleave mountains during the battle against Caster. Also, you need to prove the hado 90 distorting space and time isn't hyperbole or an exaggeration, or I can bring up the statement that says each one of Ea's axes rotate with a force equal to that of tectonic movement. Plus Ea doesn't just distort space and time, it rips right through it to expose the truth of the world on a time where organic life was impossible on the planet.

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@Dartz: hundred meters in second"s" is not even mach 1, leave alone mach 20. btw we should keep in mind that dodging speed =/= combat speed.

hado 90 has enough gravity to distort space and time, this statement by aizen was never shown to be contradicted so its canon as thats what the author wanted to convey through him. rider survived when gil used ea on his reality marble, so i dont see a reason why ichi or sephiroth cant dodge or survive it. but there is no way in hell gilgamesh can survive in the presence of yamamoto's bankai or take mugetsu or a supernova/meteor head on.

Post by Dartz (164 posts) See mini bio Level 6

That was an understatement. It traveled hundreds of meters in a fraction of a second, the speed was estimated to be around mach 27. And Rider only survived it because Gil didn't aim at him, he aimed at the ground of the RM. And you need to explain how would Ichigo and Sephiroth deal with Gae-Bolg, which pierces the heart and sends thousands of thorns through the bloodstream after activation.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,623 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@supernova7005: @supernova7005: @supernova7005 said:

@Dartz: hundred meters in second"s" is not even mach 1, leave alone mach 20. btw we should keep in mind that dodging speed =/= combat speed.

hado 90 has enough gravity to distort space and time, this statement by aizen was never shown to be contradicted so its canon as thats what the author wanted to convey through him. rider survived when gil used ea on his reality marble, so i dont see a reason why ichi or sephiroth cant dodge or survive it. but there is no way in hell gilgamesh can survive in the presence of yamamoto's bankai or take mugetsu or a supernova/meteor head on.

So a serious bloodlusted Aizen can distort space? Gilgamesh does that casually with a non-serious Enuma Elish. Rider survived the Enuma Elish that destroyed the reality marble because Gilgamesh chose not to attack them with it directly. He wanted to kill Rider himself and honor him by killing him with Ea directly. Gilgamesh is arrogant, he does that stuff all the time.

Gilgamesh at his strongest is immune to conventional weapons, radiation is included with that.

How many times do we have to say it? Supernova is a game mechanic. You can't use it to judge his strength because it makes no sense. It doesn't destroy planets because the party survives it and the planet their on still exists. It's a flashy light show, nothing more. Otherwise he would have used supernova instead of meteor.

Gilgamesh takes this.

Post by Dream (7,620 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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rider also survived when gil used EA to destroy his world, that doesnt mean rider has planet level durability, does it??

Dartz and CerusSernade already explained why Iskander wasn't affected by Ea, so I'm not gonna waste time here.

even sephiroth has a lot of hax

A swordsman with a god complex and elemental magic (with the spell you keep making a big deal about requiring enough prep time) against a divine king with countless weapons having differing effects and properties, one of which capable of life-wiping an entire planet if he felt like doing it (and can at any time)? What would you consider hax for the former?

gil's hax is not enough to beat a country buster like ichigo

Now I'm convinced you're a friggin Bleach wanker. What the hell has you thinking Ichigo can wipe out an entire country in a shot?

does it mean just because of gae bolg or some crap like that he can beat even goku??

Gae Bolg would only hit Goku if he was stupid enough to stand still. He could easily dispatch Gil as he would take him out before the King of Heroes could even react (provided it is his flesh and blood body).

I might be a Fate fan, but I at least know the limitations of the characters, unlike you do with your apparent fandom for Final Fantasy and Bleach in exaggerating feats.

this statement by aizen was never shown to be contradicted so its canon as thats what the author wanted to convey through him.

And again: Clear Feats and Narration > Character Statements.

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@CerusSerenade: gil immune to radiation?? how much radiation can gil survive?? you mean he can survive while standing a meter away from the sun?? obviously he cant, the armor doesn't protect his head and he hasnt shown any resistance to temperature either.

meteor is also a planet buster, so sephy can just use that to kill gilgamesh. gil cant tank mugetsu, no way.

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@Dream: your comment "Gae Bolg would only hit Goku if he was stupid enough to stand still. He could easily dispatch Gil as he would take him out before the King of Heroes could even react" same way even ichigo or spehiroth can take him out. all ichigo needs to do is swing his sword and gil gets blasted away, just the shockwaves of his swings are powerful enough to vaporise mountains. he is a country buster by this feat....and also by powerscaling.

even if gil uses Ea, even sephiroth and ichigo can use their strongest attacks on him at the same time. So at the very max both sephi/ichi and gil will take each other out. it will be a draw at best. both have attacks that can kill each other.

Post by Dream (7,620 posts) See mini bio Level 21
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same way even ichigo or spehiroth can take him out. all ichigo needs to do is swing his sword and gil gets blasted away, just the shockwaves of his swings are powerful enough to vaporise mountains. he is a country buster by this feat....and also by powerscaling.

Vaporize, please? He was only hacking apart sections of mountains in FGT form from his swings during his fight with Aizen and even then, it would be exaggerating to say he can wipe out an entire country.

even if gil uses Ea, even sephiroth and ichigo can use their strongest attacks on him at the same time.

Have you even been reading what me, Dartz and CerusSerenade keep pointing out to you? With only the output of Ea in its uncharged state, Gil managed to destroy Iskander's Reality Marble which was about the size of a town/ small city and that is the destructive output at most Ichigo can whip out with Mugetsu. And Sephiroth isn't gonna be able to cast Meteor here due to its ridiculous prep time in storyline. Quit relying on friggin gameplay mechanics for your arguments.

gil immune to radiation?? how much radiation can gil survive??

He means when Gil was still a spirit in Fate/ Zero. Since he was technically among the dead at the time, Gil would be immune to conventional weapons meaning he wouldn't be affected by anything like gunfire or even the radiation from a nuke as only attacks that can interact with the spiritual plane of existence such as other Noble Phantasms and magic could harm him at that point.

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@Dream: it was just the AIR from the shockwaves of his swings which was blowing away mountains. The shockwave coming from a swing is hundreds of times weaker than the actual power of the swing. for example, a human can destroy a brick by punching it but he cant even destroy an ant by casually waving his hand in the air.

so now ichigo in FGT is at max only a city buster?? LOLZ, i wont even bother with that coz its just false.

doesn't matter if gil was only a spirit because even soul reapers are spirits and they can get vaporised by the heat from yamaji's bankai.

why cant we use game mechanics?? its a part of the game so obviously it can be used.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,623 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@supernova7005: You can't use game mechanics because it doesn't actually show the power of a character. You wouldn't say deadpool can beat Galactus because you could have him beat Galactus in Marvel vs Capcom 3. You wouldn't say a dragoon in Final Fantasy could fly in the air for 2 minutes because it used jump and several skills with long animations were used afterwards.

Yammamoto's bankai takes time to do what you say it does, and it was never shown to actually happen, it was just stated. It won't happen quickly enough to harm Gilgamesh at all before he would recieve a Gae Bolg to the chest. Same goes for Ichigo considering that his attacks are weaker than an excaliblast which destroys things at an atomic level, Ichigo has no such attacks.

Ichigo is only a city buster because he has never been shown or stated to be capable of destroying anything more. A small hill isn't bigger than a city. Gae Bolg kills him.

Sephiroth has a conventional sword (won't so much as scratch him) and magic which won't be cast quickly enough for him to end the fight before Gae Bolg kills him.

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@CerusSerenade: if you people think ichigo in FGT mode is only a city buster, then i won't argue more

Post by CerusSerenade (2,623 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@supernova7005: Care to provide some scans of him destroying anything more than a small hill or city?

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@CerusSerenade: ulquiorra can destroy a city, and FGT ichigo is hundreds of times stronger than him. he destroyed a small mountain by just waving his sword, it was just the air coming from the shockwave of his swing. http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/9/45-418.0/compressed/sbleach_418_sleepyfans.07.jpg?v=11284743158powerscaling puts him at country level.

its like saying kid buu is only a planet buster because he destroyed only the earth (something which even season 1 vegeta can do)

Post by Kuma_From_Argentina (6,753 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@supernova7005:

http://outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Character+Profile+-+Kurosaki+Ichigo

According to OBD Ichigo in Mugetsu only is Small City level tops, thus Gil Durability City Level can tank the Mugetsu Ichigo Attacks. Not to mention that both are listed as Hypersonic+ and Gil is just too fricking awesome and powerful while Ichigo not only is less powerful and less capable of causing damage, but also slower is Gil hops on Vimana and haves less durability than Gil

http://outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Character+Profile+-+Sephiroth

Sephiroth may be stronger than Ichigo but Gilgamesh rapes him.

http://www.obdwiki.com/character-profile-gilgamesh/

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@Kuma_From_Argentina: OBD is crap. im not relying on them. mugetsu is a cutting attack, not an exploding attack.

nothing says ichigo is slower, all his feats prove he is much much faster than any servant. OBD is a completely non canon source and cant be used in argument

Post by CerusSerenade (2,623 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Oh look, a small hill, that certainly shows continent busting power.

Now actually provide a scan of Ulquiorra busting a city, because that's coming straight out of your ass.

Post by Kuma_From_Argentina (6,753 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@CerusSerenade: LOL at the image, that's pretty funny. We should leave him wanking alone instead of trying to change his mind. He is strong in the ways of Fanwank... the darkside of the fandom

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@CerusSerenade said:

Oh look, a small hill, that certainly shows continent busting power.

Now actually provide a scan of Ulquiorra busting a city, because that's coming straight out of your ass.

this is the scan you wanted, http://i3.mangareader.net/bleach/351/bleach-2402627.jpg . btw i never said ichigo is a "continent" buster, you made that up....i only said he is a country buster. MvC, DBZF and many other forums agree upon ichigo being a country buster. all HST top tiers are wayyy above city level and this is obvious, just like buu saga dbz characters are wayyyy above planet level

Post by Kuma_From_Argentina (6,753 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@supernova7005: We really tried to debate, but you are wanking for Bleach and are not willing to accept any other facts that what you think is right.

So instead of wasting more time trying to talk with a brick wall we took your stubborness light and we laugh a little.

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

back on thread, sephiroth stomps. cloud moves faster than LIGHTNING and sephiroth is on par with him.

gil gets cut into pieces

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