Having a Master: Saber vs. Tensa Zangetsu

Topic started by Galenbeta on July 3, 2013. Last post by Fehafare 1 year, 1 month ago.
Post by Galenbeta (3,025 posts) See mini bio Level 12
Post by Fehafare (9,119 posts) See mini bio Level 13

Excalibur...

Post by Ikki_Minami_ (1,009 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@Fehafare: People always say Tensa Zangetsu has no feats but that's faulty, he did break Ichigo's sword will in his bankai state in one of Bleach's strongest arcs.

Post by Fehafare (9,119 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@Ikki_Minami_: Unquatifiable and useless feat.

Still gets Excaliblasted regardless unless Bleach got a recent MAJOR power boost through feat revision and new calcs that i am not aware of..

Post by Sonata (35,337 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@Fehafare said:

Excalibur...

Post by Fehafare (9,119 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@Sonata:

LOL!

Post by Galenbeta (3,025 posts) See mini bio Level 12

Not to but in, you seem to forget she can keep up with his regular flash step not the ones that leave after images. Bleach has the advantage with speed and merge tensa zangetsu's getsuga tensho and excablast would cancel each other out.

Post by Ikki_Minami_ (1,009 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@Fehafare: *While. And I know Excalibur would win I'm just saying he did break Ichigo's sword.

Post by Galenbeta (3,025 posts) See mini bio Level 12

doesn't excalablast take time to charge anyway and time is not good when facing such a speed master

Post by Fehafare (9,119 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@Galenbeta:

He doesn't have a real speed advantage to speak off. Base Saber is mach 15 and can dash at mach 45. Her reactions are mach 45 as well. Bleach is somewhere around the mach 15 - 20+ range. GT would not even slow down Excalibur and the whole "charging up" is myth. Saber pretty much used Excalibur while dashing towards Gilgamesh in an instant and the same happened in Fate/Zero when she used it against Rider.

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu stomps....should be technically Mugetsu Ichigo's level since thats the source of all his power.

Season 1 bankai Ichigo is mach 23 (dangai should be much stronger) while Saber is just mach 14 without prana boost

Post by Fehafare (9,119 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@supernova7005: Mach 15 actually and she still has mach 45 reactions and can dash at the same speed.

And no one in Bleach is tanking Excalibur, in other words there isn't a single character right now that can beat her.

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@Fehafare: Well, this profile says mach 14 at her peak.

And no one in Bleach is tanking Excalibur, in other words there isn't a single character right now that can beat her.

No servant can tank yama's bankai so I guess no servant can beat yama.

Btw Monster Aizen's fragor is also calculated to be in the city+ range and Ichigo tanked it without just a few scratches

Post by Fehafare (9,119 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@supernova7005: The profile is outdated to hell and back (well not that much but still outdated), that's a calc back from the days when they relied on F/HA.

They can actually... not to mention there is Avalon. And she has superior reactions, acts first, one shots.

Saber's Excalibur at it's weakest (the scene in the Fate route when she uses minimal output to one-shot Rider) is well above city level + and not to mention that it can also vaporize and atomize targets making the whole thing with their durability pointless to begin with.

Post by phantomrant (1,332 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@Fehafare said:

Excalibur...

Post by CerusSerenade (2,565 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Typical scenario:

Tensa Zangetsu-MUGETSU!

Saber uses Avalon to protect herself and reflect Mugetsu.

Tensa Zangetsu-OH SHI-

GG.

She need not even brandish her holy blade, Tensa Zangetsu will do all the work for her.

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@CerusSerenade: Avalon doesn't reflect things going by the canon.

And TZ isn't so stupid to start the fight with Mugetsu

Post by CerusSerenade (2,565 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@supernova7005: It actually has.

It really doesn't matter, the point that's being made is that Tensa Zangetsu's strongest attacking (assuming he would actually have acces to it) would easily be no-selled by Saber.

Post by supernova7005 (1,966 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@CerusSerenade: Not in the VN. The anime is not canon.

Saber can't attack while using avalon

Post by Fehafare (9,119 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@supernova7005:

Both of those things are disproved in the VN... it's pretty much two myths like the charging up the people who never touched the VN made up. First of all, in the Fate route Shirou deflects Gil's Ea back at him, forcing him to retreat.

And now explain a bit further on the "can't attack" part. Every Servant has an ability called "Spirit Form" which allows them to turn invisible and intangible. In other words all of them have a mini-Avalon with no cost to it, actually it even reduces the prana consumption. With that in mind, it would be completely retarded to have an EX rank Noble Phantasm that does exactly the same minus the invisibility and it does so for a prana cost as well.

At the end of the Fate route Saber activates Avalon, walks through Gilgamesh's attack and Excaliblasts him at point blank.

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