Battles

@GIRUGAMESH said:

@DBZ_universe: Do not feed the fanboy.

@100Rings: If you class that as game mechanics, then I could say the same about everything that you posted. Out of interest, when has Sonic ever used time travel in battle? I didn't see him using it against the robot crabs there. What's more is that was exclusive to that game, and so cannot be used in any fight (for instance, did you see Sonic going back in time to beat Dark Gaia?). Sonic fights robots and city-level aliens, Goku curbstomps planet busters. How are you not getting this?

You stated that Sonic had the durability to survive a planet-busting explosion; care to prove this? Because free-falling to earth without dying sure as hell doesn't prove it, especially when you get pummeled by city-level aliens as well. I watched your little video that you posted earlier; if Sonic is really capable of surviving a free-fall from space, why does he bother dodging missiles from Eggman? Oh wait, because the free-fall feat was PIS. What's hilarious is that you only seem to be quoting from wikias as well, which can be edited by anyone and are usually biased. Pro tip: start considering actual feats instead of going purely on descriptions. In Final Fantasy: Dissidia, Sephiroth has an attack that is described as moving at lightspeed. Does that Sephiroth lightspeed then? Of course not. The same applies here.

But wait, there's more idiocy here. Sonic can beat a character stronger than him huh? That, my friend, is also PIS, where the main character defies all odds and defeats an enemy stronger than them. Such a thing does not exist on battle forums. Indomitable will means jack's shit if you're facing someone 1000 times more powerful than you.

As it stands, we are using game Sonic, and so he is slaughtered. Raditz vs Sonic would have been a better fight.

In the meantime, I leave everyone with this video, which I hope you will enjoy. Though to be honest, I think it's an insult to Vegeta.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/59260

Thank you!!

@100Rings: Bye Bye... have a nice day.

@100Rings: Give it a rest and let the thread die.

@100Rings said:

@DBZ_universe said:

@100Rings: Bye Bye... have a nice day.

lol yea u 2...silly kid!

Ok!! what ever you say....

@100Rings: "Pathetically late reply"? Believe it or not, I do have a life outside this ya know, and honestly I didn't know whether or not I should humour you.

For your sake, you should try to understand this; if a character in anything only does something once that would conflict with every other showing they've ever had, it is considered PIS, CIS or a mechanic of some kind (probably the latter for Sonic). I'll give you an example; if Spiderman, say, were to fire a blast from his fist one day in a desperate fight that was powerful enough to destroy a planet, would you consider it a legitimate feat? Or if, for the space of a single moment in one comic, was shown to be capable of pushing away a moon-sized rock? Of course not, it would be ridiculous. The same goes for Sonic. He has never shown anything else close to speeds needed to time travel, and therefore that 'feat' is null and void. Hopefully you understand now.

And I will say it again; stop quoting the wikia, I have given reasons why. If you genuinely believe that Super Sonic is "invulnerable to all harm" just because the wikia says so then I'm not sure if you're ignorant, a fanboy or just plain stupid. Would you argue that Sonic could survive attacks from Galactus then? Or from The Lord of Shadows? I really hope not. You know who else was labelled 'invulnerable'? Superman, and he got his ass beaten to death by Doomsday.

Please take note of this, would love it if you were able to look at things more logically. If you carry on the way you have been then I can only consider you a fanboy beyond any help or a half-assed troll.

And for the record, you asked how Goku could defeat any of the enemies Sonic faced. Here's a better question; when have any of them shown planet busting? If you have examples and not meaningless quotes from the wiki, I would love to see them.

@GIRUGAMESH said:

@100Rings: "Pathetically late reply"? Believe it or not, I do have a life outside this ya know, and honestly I didn't know whether or not I should humour you.

For your sake, you should try to understand this; if a character in anything only does something once that would conflict with every other showing they've ever had, it is considered PIS, CIS or a mechanic of some kind (probably the latter for Sonic). I'll give you an example; if Spiderman, say, were to fire a blast from his fist one day in a desperate fight that was powerful enough to destroy a planet, would you consider it a legitimate feat? Or if, for the space of a single moment in one comic, was shown to be capable of pushing away a moon-sized rock? Of course not, it would be ridiculous. The same goes for Sonic. He has never shown anything close to speeds needed to time travel, and therefore that 'feat' is null and void. Hopefully you understand now.

And I will say it again; stop quoting the wikia, I have given reasons why. If you genuinely believe that Super Sonic is "invulnerable to all harm" just because the wikia says so then I'm not sure if you're ignorant, a fanboy or just plain stupid. Would you argue that Sonic could survive attacks from Galactus then? Or from The Lord of Shadows? I really hope not. You know who else was labelled 'invulnerable'? Superman, and he got his ass beaten to death by Doomsday.

Please take note of this, would love it if you were able to look at things more logically. If you carry on the way you have been then I can only consider you a fanboy beyond any help or a half-assed troll.

And for the record, you asked how Goku could defeat any of the enemies Sonic faced. Here's a better question; when have any of them showed planet busting? If you have examples and not meaningless quotes from the wiki, I would love to see them.

Epic^^

@shonen: ...that's exactly what I was saying. I was discounting the "high end feat" of Sonic moving fast enough to travel through time.

@MarioRedfield: Well in my eyes.. I think it wasn't PIS... Doomsday is just badass like that!!

Also Broly is like Doomsday!!!

Broly hates Goku and Doomsday hates Superman, They both are huge and could own the two heroes!!

@MarioRedfield: Goku cannot stomp Broly, it's the other way around... that defeat was a massive PIS... but lets not argue bout that because it's off topic! :)

@MarioRedfield: Really? That's interesting. Not to undermine you or anything, just that most DC fans I know accept that as a legitimate showing. Either way, my point still stands, once an 'invulnerable' character starts going up against uber-powered opponents they don't look so hot anymore.

@shonen said:

@GIRUGAMESH said:

@100Rings: "Pathetically late reply"? Believe it or not, I do have a life outside this ya know, and honestly I didn't know whether or not I should humour you.

For your sake, you should try to understand this; if a character in anything only does something once that would conflict with every other showing they've ever had, it is considered PIS, CIS or a mechanic of some kind (probably the latter for Sonic). I'll give you an example; if Spiderman, say, were to fire a blast from his fist one day in a desperate fight that was powerful enough to destroy a planet, would you consider it a legitimate feat? Or if, for the space of a single moment in one comic, was shown to be capable of pushing away a moon-sized rock? Of course not, it would be ridiculous. The same goes for Sonic. He has never shown anything else close to speeds needed to time travel, and therefore that 'feat' is null and void. Hopefully you understand now.

And I will say it again; stop quoting the wikia, I have given reasons why. If you genuinely believe that Super Sonic is "invulnerable to all harm" just because the wikia says so then I'm not sure if you're ignorant, a fanboy or just plain stupid. Would you argue that Sonic could survive attacks from Galactus then? Or from The Lord of Shadows? I really hope not. You know who else was labelled 'invulnerable'? Superman, and he got his ass beaten to death by Doomsday.

Please take note of this, would love it if you were able to look at things more logically. If you carry on the way you have been then I can only consider you a fanboy beyond any help or a half-assed troll.

And for the record, you asked how Goku could defeat any of the enemies Sonic faced. Here's a better question; when have any of them shown planet busting? If you have examples and not meaningless quotes from the wiki, I would love to see them.

But what if one of their showings that you consider an ability of theirs is just the author of that story wanking them past an ability they have that is outside of their powerset.PIS,CIS, should not only account and be used as an excuse to disregard low end feats but also high end feats, such as superman holding a black hole in the palm of his hands.

your logic so bad i could cry for you. its so embarrasing!

really? if somone does something ONCE in their life, it doesnt count or isnt concidered legit? since when did THAT make sense?

the slaves were set free (but only ONCE) in 1865. no way! they werent set free a LOT of times, so it doest count! they still need to be slaves, it happed only once!

you were once 3 years old. but that only happened ONCE! so, accoring to your logic, you were only 3 once and that means you were NEVER 3 years old!

you were homeless once. but that doesnt mean ANYTHING! after all, you were homeless ONCE, and that means it NEVER happened!

your mother had a popsicle when she was 5, but only once. but she had it only ONCE, so she never had it in the first place!

see how rediculous that sounds?

if sonic did something only ONCE, then that takes away his BIRTHPLACE. he had only ONE game once upon a time. if we used your logic, when sonic just came out, SEGA would have to say, "well, sonic only had ONE game, so yeah, hes not a video game character. because he only came out ONCE!" and there would be no more sonic games.

and YES. that would be a feat for spiderman. just because he did it once, doesnt mean its impossible to do it again! maybe at the end of the comic, that feat took AWAY his power to DO it again, then it would still be a feat, but he simply couldnt use it again. but that wasnt the case at all. he did it without it being taken away. therefore that is his feat, and he can keep doing it, no matter how long ago it was. im surprised you never heard of the phrase "If I can do it ONCE, I can do it AGAIN"? what is the matter with you?

the only reason why you say "stop quoting the wikia!" is because you have absolutly nothing to whine about except that all day to 100Rings. the wikia uses proof to back it up. just cause the wikia says it changes the fact that its TRUE?! im not sure about OTHER wikias, but the sonic one is pretty reliable. most people who arent even sonic fans say that it is firmly not biased. im pretty sure you havent noticed this, but if it werent for sonic in the first place, there wouldnt BE a wikia: but ok. all the time in 100Rings points were sonic wikia: then video. sonic wikia: then video. he did it ALL the time! how DARE you say he just quoted when he plainly DID MORE THAN THAT! i dont get you GIRUGAMESH!! really, i dont! you should stop acting so desperate. it really shows.

from the sonic wikia: (http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(character)#Powers_and_Abilities)

"He is occasionally referred to as "the fastest thing alive," and can run backwards at full speed just as well as forwards, as shown in the Team Sonic opening cut-scene of Sonic Heroes"

how is sonic proved to be called the fastest thing alive? look at the video.

at 4:14 that bird (jet) calls him by that name. thus the sonic wikia was telling the absolute truth.

the sonic wikia also said that sonic can run backwards. this came from the sonic wikia, so its wrong and biased. WRONG! not only did they give you proof by saying the game of when it appeared, but i also have a video to back up their proof.

at 1:06 he started to run backwards. i dont know WHY you dont want the sonic wikia, but there is no reason for your complaining. its true and is based in facts from games. if you think this is set up or im joking, simply ask for more proof.

you didnt answer 100Rings question of goku ever beating the villains/demons/aliens of the sonic universe. instead you lead it off with a nice big RED HERRING! to get what you ever so "want", they have shown planet busting. why in the heck would sonic defeat Dark Gaia if it wasnt a threat to planet busting? and in sonic adventure 2, the bio lizard was about to destoy the earth. its time for YOU to think now. Black Doom (shadow the hedgehog just ask for proof) wanted to take down his master and use shadow to take over the universe. shadow had also said that he could destoy the earth, too. now, i know you are thinking "this is SHADOW!" but in sonic battle (AFTER the fact) sonic could beat him, so he can beat a planet buster. now that your Red Herring is booted out the window, ANSWER 100RINGS'S QUESTION HE ASKED IN THE FIRST PLACE. and i have a few questions for YOU, also. has goku ever gotten out of time freeze, dealt with reality warping with ease, and transporting (NOT transmissing) with ease? all of these answers to these questions are an absolute NO. YOU stop acting like a fanboy. after all, you's better watch it. last time i check, all you and DBZ_universe did and still do it rage about how he is "wrong" and "fanboyish", and you didnt give anything to support your point! not even a single quote of the wikia or video! all both of you did was rage! not one shred of proof! some nerve YOU both have! basicly, all you are worth here at the moment is just blowing a lot of hot steam. i dont see why we have to break our back giving proof when you dont even give 1%. this isnt even an agument! this is just one sided in your view.

@DBZ_universe look at my post to GIRUGAMESH since what you think what he said was so "epic." look at mine.