Goku vs Bardock

Topic started by SpeedForceSpider on June 19, 2012. Last post by SpeedForceSpider 11 months, 1 week ago.
Post by SpeedForceSpider (3,237 posts) See mini bio Level 14

VS

Over 8000 Goku

No Super Saiyan

No Kaioken

Pure fighting abilities

Takes place in wasteland

Who wins?

Post by Sonata (31,466 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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Bardock should be able to win mostly due to being a tad stronger. However a tad is all you need in DBZ to dominate an opponent.
Post by SpeedForceSpider (3,237 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@Sonata: Very true as seen in Vegeta's (24k) and Dodoria's (22k) case.

Post by DBZ_universe (8,436 posts) See mini bio Level 17
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Bardock wins... he is at 10,000 while Goku is at 8,000

Post by SpeedForceSpider (3,237 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@DBZ_universe: I wouldn't say 10,000 exactly nearing it is right. But yeah Bardock should win after a good match.

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@SpeedForceSpider: Yes indeed

Post by ReiKai (3,288 posts) See mini bio Level 9
Goku still has Spirit Bomb, and Bardock isn't exactly pure hearted. He can pop a solar flare, take the whole 10sec needed to charge it, and slam it on Bardock. On another note, Bardock can't sense energy like Goku so he's still reliant on his scouter. Either could win, but Goku has more showings.
Post by SpeedForceSpider (3,237 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@ReiKai: Very sensible, I forget about solar flare but Goku needs more than 10 secs to do Bardock in. Remember he had a vision in battle and recovered pretty quick, then proceeded to rape Dodoria's Elite.

Post by DBZ_universe (8,436 posts) See mini bio Level 17
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@SpeedForceSpider: OR he could do Solar Flare and Destructo disk to the face!! Kakaroto wins!!

Post by SpeedForceSpider (3,237 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@DBZ_universe: Why did your opinion change? Bardock is a superior fighter and has a higher power he wins.

Post by DBZ_universe (8,436 posts) See mini bio Level 17
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@SpeedForceSpider: I was just fooling around... But yeah Bardock wins here... also I only said that because that is the only way for Goku to win because he can't.... he will need a desperate move like this.

Post by SpeedForceSpider (3,237 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@DBZ_universe: I see.. This battle is no way near a stomp. Bardock will win but with very high difficulty. Goku only surpasses stronger opponents with Kaioken which is his ace.

Post by DBZ_universe (8,436 posts) See mini bio Level 17
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@SpeedForceSpider: Yes this is no stomp.... also the OP says no Kaioken...

Post by ReiKai (3,288 posts) See mini bio Level 9
A vision of the future isn't the same as being blinded by a light brighter than the sun. And the actual cast-time of Genki Dama was 10sec. The anime just dragged it on. DBZ Kai corrected this. Also, smacking around Dodoria's elite isn't exactly...spectacular. Especially when you consider the fact that the bulk of Frieza's forces are all complete morons.
Post by GIRUGAMESH (1,712 posts) See mini bio Level 7

@ReiKai: Good point, the spirit bomb could well win this for Goku. It depends if Bardock goes for the kill quickly or not, but he has been shown to be quite a brutal fighter if need be.

Post by SpeedForceSpider (3,237 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@ReiKai: I never said it was...spectacular I meant how a second is a lifetime in battle. Remember how he was gonna die before his senses came back. I do believe however, Bardock can take Goku out before he does much. Bardock wasn't a typical arrogant Saiyan, he went in for the kill even on opponents stronger than himself.

Post by ReiKai (3,288 posts) See mini bio Level 9
Yet Goku still managed it against Oozaru Vegeta, despite the fact that Vegeta was stronger than him to begin with and in Oozaru form Vegeta was 10x stronger. And you know it was Bardock's visions in the first place that had him getting knocked around by Frieza's goons. So they are more of a hindrance against a more competent opponent, like Goku.
Post by SpeedForceSpider (3,237 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@ReiKai: Goku sure did a good job managing with getting his legs and such broken. Again, I know it was his visions that got him screwed. Your missing the point, Vegeta is a fool in battle and Bardock is a goddamn boss.

Post by ReiKai (3,288 posts) See mini bio Level 9
Not really. Vegeta killed Qui without much effort. Did the same to Dodoria. Neither of whom could power-boost like Goku did with Kaioken. Even had Zarbon eating dirt before Zarbon transformed. Vegeta's not a fool, he just had every right to feel superior at those stages.
 
What I'm saying is, Goku is not a moron either, and he does have several decades of fighting experience under his belt. Even against opponents who were intelligent and powerful. in fact, Goku has always found a way to beat guys stronger than himself. Also to note that Goku, despite being stronger than Nappa, couldn't easily defeat him, even after Nappa had already fought the entire Z-team and went out on a killing spree. Nappa would've gotten kicked around more had Vegeta not Bossed him and gotten Nappa to get his act together and focus.
Post by SpeedForceSpider (3,237 posts) See mini bio Level 14

@ReiKai: Alright I'll give you that one. Vegeta didn't become a fool until SSJ was introduced. After his initial appearance on Namek he was kicking ass like no tomorrow. Goku is no slouch in combat which in a fine point. Many sources say Nappa had a PL higher than 4000, which probably explains why Goku said the fight will take forever without Kaioken.

Another thing that is convincing on this theory is Vegeta was still confident Nappa could pull off a win if he focused. So yeah without Kaioken, Goku never had much a chance against stronger opponents he needed power-ups and transformations to win. Don't think for a second he could win most fight with his own power and skills alone.

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