Goku End of z vs Mystic Gohan

Topic started by chrono122 on May 20, 2012. Last post by DBZ_universe 1 year, 10 months ago.
Post by MarioRedfield (1,765 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@DBZ_universe said:

@xlab3000 said:

we still got goku-tards.

That's not nice.

Post by xlab3000 (1,395 posts) See mini bio Level 10

sorry but goku fans ignore the facts from primary sources in debates like goku vs superman btw mystic gohan>super buu>ssj3 goku if you read the manga

Post by xlab3000 (1,395 posts) See mini bio Level 10

does any have the link to mvc for manga character feats

Post by DBZ_universe (15,725 posts) See mini bio Level 17

@xlab3000: You also ignored those facts before.. you said that Whitebeard owns Broly... and you saying stuff to users that side with Goku doesn't make right.

and yes Gohan beats Goku... and some people that were siding with Goku already accepted that Gohan wins... also if they side with Goku, that doesn't mean the are Gokutards..

instead of posting links, post scans...

Post by xlab3000 (1,395 posts) See mini bio Level 10

I was being a optard until i did some research on the obd and correted my mistake

Post by DBZ_universe (15,725 posts) See mini bio Level 17

@xlab3000: There you go... Some that sided with Goku didn't knew that Gohan was stronger... but then they corrected them selves like you did..

Post by soil (7 posts) See mini bio Level 4

Gohan imo

Post by dbzmeister (45 posts) See mini bio Level 6

@xlab3000: The manga doesn't state the PL's at the end of Z, 10 years after Buu though. Goku fights an admittedly unexperienced but angry Uub whilst in base and matches him, suggesting a very significant power increase, whilst Gohan doesn't even enter the tournament.

Post by Supreme Marvel (5,142 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@dbzmeister said:

@xlab3000: The manga doesn't state the PL's at the end of Z, 10 years after Buu though. Goku fights an admittedly unexperienced but angry Uub whilst in base and matches him, suggesting a very significant power increase, whilst Gohan doesn't even enter the tournament.

Not entering the tournament doesn't mean he hasn't trained. I don't think Piccolo enters, does that mean he didn't train in 10 years?

Post by ReiKai (3,517 posts) See mini bio Level 10
And just because Uub is meant to be Buu's human reincarnation, it doesn't mean Uub is equal in power to Kid Buu.
Post by dbzmeister (45 posts) See mini bio Level 6

I'm not saying Uub was equal in power with Kid Buu at that point but he would obviously still have had a massive amount of power, which Goku didn't have to go past base tp handle. Piccolo didn't enter because he knows he has no realistic chance of winning, if Gohan knew he was more powerful than his father I can't see why he wouldn't enter.

Gohan has grown up as a scholar rather than a fighter, it is heavily suggested that he devotes the lions-share of his time to his studies as he did post-Cell. Goku on the other hand has been proven to make huge leaps in power through even the shortest period of training. For those saying he has no challenges remaining to motivate him he would have the desire to surpass his son as well as the excitement of measuring up against Buu reincarnate.

Post by ReiKai (3,517 posts) See mini bio Level 10
There's nothing obvious. Goku only said that Uub might surprise everyone. Nothing he did suggests he was anywhere near Kid Buu's level. And unlike Goku, Gohan doesn't enjoy fighting, and he was letting his daughter Pan fight in the children's tourny. Just because Gohan didn't enter, doesn't make him weaker than Goku. This absurd level of speculation is completely unnecessary and isn't supported by any sort of evidence at all.
Post by dbzmeister (45 posts) See mini bio Level 6

@ReiKai: It's hardly an 'absurd level of speculation', it's behavioural analysis based on solid fact. Goku has been proven to consitently train and to make amazing increases in doing so, his period in Otherworld post-Cell is proof of that. Gohan by contrast as you said has shwon that he doesn't enjoy fighting or training and thus tries his best to avoid it. Even accounting for a modest increase by Goku's standards he'd easily be able to surpass Mystic Gohan after a decade.

Post by xlab3000 (1,395 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@dbzmeister: it was stated by toriyama himself

Post by ReiKai (3,517 posts) See mini bio Level 10
It took him seven years to get slightly above the level his 11yr Old Son achieved. That's not a significant increase. The only 'significance' was gaining SS3. To which Gohan blew passed it in several days' time with training in Otherworld and a boon from Elder Kai. Gohan made higher power leaps than anyone else. And your "behavioral analysis" is pure bunk. Gohan and others not joining in the tourny has nothing to do with their abilities stacked next to Goku's. They just had no Reason to actually join. And Vegeta did join just so he'd have an excuse to fight Goku.
Post by DBZ_universe (15,725 posts) See mini bio Level 17

@ReiKai said:

It took him seven years to get slightly above the level his 11yr Old Son achieved. That's not a significant increase. The only 'significance' was gaining SS3. To which Gohan blew passed it in several days' time with training in Otherworld and a boon from Elder Kai. Gohan made higher power leaps than anyone else. And your "behavioral analysis" is pure bunk. Gohan and others not joining in the tourny has nothing to do with their abilities stacked next to Goku's. They just had no Reason to actually join. And Vegeta did join just so he'd have an excuse to fight Goku.

Damn!! epic post!

Post by Supreme Marvel (5,142 posts) See mini bio Level 12

@DBZ_universe said:

@ReiKai said:

It took him seven years to get slightly above the level his 11yr Old Son achieved. That's not a significant increase. The only 'significance' was gaining SS3. To which Gohan blew passed it in several days' time with training in Otherworld and a boon from Elder Kai. Gohan made higher power leaps than anyone else. And your "behavioral analysis" is pure bunk. Gohan and others not joining in the tourny has nothing to do with their abilities stacked next to Goku's. They just had no Reason to actually join. And Vegeta did join just so he'd have an excuse to fight Goku.

Damn!! epic post!

Agreed.

Post by dbzmeister (45 posts) See mini bio Level 6

@ReiKai: Of course he made a tremendous leap in Otherworld he went from being unbale to beat Cell, who was roughly the same strength as Dabura to being able to contend with Kid Buu, that's an astronmical leap. Achieveing ssj3 was also kind of a big leap saying as noone else ever managed it. Two out of the three of Gohan's big increases came through power ups, whilst in the hyperbolic time chamber he was only able to progress to such a large extent through Goku's rigorous training and knowledge. There is zero proof that Gohan would have continued to train post-Buu, he'd probably be weaker 10 years on whilst Goku would be much stronger, going by his previous training jumps double his Buu saga strength at the least.

Post by ReiKai (3,517 posts) See mini bio Level 10
Dabura being as strong as Cell is never proven. Given Dabura was easily manipulated by Babidi and the Majin Mark magically bolsters his abilities, it's more than clear that Dabura isn't in Cell's league. The fact that Gohan couldn't do a proper SS2 during their scuffle is proof of that. They tried to suggest that Dabura was as tough as Cell, but nothing was ever shown or indicated for it to be true. The only thing Dabura had going for him was his Stone Spit.
 
Even fans know Dabura is basically worthless. That DB Multiverse fancomic even has the two fight and Cell pretty easily beats him. Of course it's not canon, but that's as close to an answer as you're going to get.
 
And once more, you're just speculating pointlessly. Given that pretty much every powerful evil force in the known universe has been killed or dealt with, Goku and Co have Zero reason to train and get stronger. The only canon evidence we have was that last movie with Abo and Cabo where Goten and Trunks fought them, where we meet Vegeta's little brother, Tarble. Goku and them weren't training anymore. They were chillaxing and enjoying the peace.
Post by mypasswordis1234 (196 posts) See mini bio Level 7

After they killed Kid Buu, Goku said he will be training... Gohan didn't even join the tournament, this shows that again he doesn't care the fighting, so he probably wasn't care the training either. Gohan maybe have more potential power, but IMO it would be the same as after the Cell saga. Goku and Vegeta was getting stronger than Gohan, because they trained a lot.

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