Ginyu Force Vs Justice League

Topic started by Destinyheroknight on Sept. 24, 2010. Last post by Sonata 1 year, 8 months ago.
Post by Kurohige (3,701 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@hitsusatsu11:
Power levels are almost useless outside of DBZ for that reaason a max power blast from Ginyu never even hinted he could destroy a planet Recoom only warped the planet and his ultra bomber possibly could have destroyed it maybe or at least did major damage but if they were al planet busters they would not be afraid of freiza who they don't know anything about other than him destroying plant vegeta, honestly I cannot even see why you think they win this at all they get stomped, power levels are useless unless backed up by a feat of somesort, in fact half of this whole power level argument contradict some of your arguments in many other thread mainly the Kami tenchi one.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,746 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Kurohige said:  
How can you say that? 
Racoom can destroy a planet but Ginyu can't? 
You realize with a higher powerlevel your destructive capability rises right? 
 
, honestly I cannot even see why you think they win this at all they get stomped,   
You can't see my point at all? 
When characters with a ki of 20,00 can destroy a planet, and ki's of the toukousentai range from 40-160 thousand? 
You really think I have no basis? 
 
 in fact half of this whole power level argument contradict some of your arguments in many other thread mainly the Kami tenchi one. "
Not really, in DBZ very few people have any "powers" just a higher amount of ki.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,746 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Sonata said:
" @hitsusatsu11:  What good is an Energy blast against people who can steal/absorb/Manipulate Energy. "
And they will counter a time stop how?
Post by Kurohige (3,701 posts) See mini bio Level 19
@hitsusatsu11:
Well I know it sound weird but Burter is the fastest in the universe pretty much everyone in the Ginyu force agreed (Which was why they were surprised Goku was faster) so he must have been faster than Ginyu, Recoom was the tank he was supposed to be the strongest one physicly and most durable, Guldo was supposed to pretty much be the tactition and Ginyu was the leader with the plans and most deadly power. So it would make sense that Recoom would be stronger, just like how Goku was the leader of the z warriors but Gohan was the strongest or something like that.
Post by Sonata (35,314 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@hitsusatsu11 said:
" @Sonata said:
" @hitsusatsu11:  What good is an Energy blast against people who can steal/absorb/Manipulate Energy. "
And they will counter a time stop how? "
Guido is the only one who can move in a time stop, and he can do very little after that. So its useless.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,746 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Sonata: He can hold them in place via telekenetics though will the rest of the toukousentai move. 
 
@Kurohige: Jisu was almost as fast as Baata. Baata just specialized in speed. Ginyu was far more powerful than Racoom. 
Post by Sonata (35,314 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@Kurohige:  Burter's speed doesn't even matter in this fight as The Flashes can steal it and add it to their own or give to other members of the JL.
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,746 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Sonata: Modern flash is only slightly FTL no?
Post by Sonata (35,314 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@hitsusatsu11:  Possibly more due to the Nuclear island feat, and he reacts in Attoseconds. The Guldo TK barrier my work on a few characters like Batman. Doubtful it would hold or even work against characters like Superman, the GL's, Firestorm, The Flashes, and MM who have control of their molecules. 
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,746 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Sonata said:
, and he reacts in Attoseconds.   
Does reacting in attoseconds require lightspeed reactions at all?  
 
The Guldo TK barrier my work on a few characters like Batman. Doubtful it would hold or even work against characters like Superman, the GL's, Firestorm, The Flashes, and MM who have control of their molecules.  "
Well, im glad you agree that Gurdo is capable of putting a regular human in his psychic trap. 
Post by Sonata (35,314 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@hitsusatsu11:  Yes it would.
Post by JThree47605 (1,004 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@Mortein said:
"@JThree47605 said:

" @Mortein: Right, because we all know Goku was like totally moving hundreds of times faster than light, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. And Im impressed by that scan why? "

If you would like to discuss his speed, lets do it here  
http://www.animevice.com/forums/general-discussion/1/how-fast-are-dbz-characters/314493/#69   You should be impressed by that scan because recoome easily survived attack from Vegeta who wasn't holding back, and who has over 100x more power then it's needed to destroy the Moon, and he stated he can destroy the Earth, while he was significantly weaker.  "

There is nothing to discuss about speed unless you can actually show them going as fast as you say they can go, its put up or shut up time. Vegetas not even a confirmed planet buster at this point. If you wanna just go by hear say, then Hulk is the strongest one there is and He Man is the most powerful man in the universe.
Post by Mortein (1,558 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@JThree47605

said:

" @Mortein said:

"@JThree47605 said:

" @Mortein: Right, because we all know Goku was like totally moving hundreds of times faster than light, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. And Im impressed by that scan why? "

If you would like to discuss his speed, lets do it here  
http://www.animevice.com/forums/general-discussion/1/how-fast-are-dbz-characters/314493/#69   You should be impressed by that scan because recoome easily survived attack from Vegeta who wasn't holding back, and who has over 100x more power then it's needed to destroy the Moon, and he stated he can destroy the Earth, while he was significantly weaker.  "
There is nothing to discuss about speed unless you can actually show them going as fast as you say they can go, its put up or shut up time. Vegetas not even a confirmed planet buster at this point. If you wanna just go by hear say, then Hulk is the strongest one there is and He Man is the most powerful man in the universe. "
Well look at my first post
  http://www.animevice.com/forums/general-discussion/1/how-fast-are-dbz-characters/314493/#69  
If you don't think Vegeta was able to destroy Earth with PL 18 000, then look at the feats of Roshi with PL under 200 and Piccolo with PL under 500, who both destroyed the Moon. Vegeta, when he tried to hurt Recome was over 200x more powerful then Roshi and he wasn't holding back.
All of these are the facts.
 
 
Edit: 

I never said every statement should be taken seriously. Each statement should be observed individually and if it is logical it should be considered true.
1. There are proofs that He-man is not the most powerful in the universe, there are also proofs that Hulk is not the strongest one, however there is nothing that would prove Vegeta wasn't able to destroy the Earth.
2. Earth was essential to the plot.
3.Piccolo and Roshi are significantly less powerful then Vegeta, and they destroyed the moon, which makes Vegets statement logical.

 



Post by DJSNuva1 (3,347 posts) See mini bio Level 11
@Mortein said:
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@JThree47605 said:

" @Mortein said:

"@JThree47605 said:

" @Mortein: Right, because we all know Goku was like totally moving hundreds of times faster than light, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. And Im impressed by that scan why? "

If you would like to discuss his speed, lets do it here  
http://www.animevice.com/forums/general-discussion/1/how-fast-are-dbz-characters/314493/#69   You should be impressed by that scan because recoome easily survived attack from Vegeta who wasn't holding back, and who has over 100x more power then it's needed to destroy the Moon, and he stated he can destroy the Earth, while he was significantly weaker.  "
There is nothing to discuss about speed unless you can actually show them going as fast as you say they can go, its put up or shut up time. Vegetas not even a confirmed planet buster at this point. If you wanna just go by hear say, then Hulk is the strongest one there is and He Man is the most powerful man in the universe. "
Well look at my first post
  http://www.animevice.com/forums/general-discussion/1/how-fast-are-dbz-characters/314493/#69   If you don't think Vegeta was able to destroy Earth with PL 18 000, then look at the feats of Roshi with PL under 200 and Piccolo with PL under 500, who both destroyed the Moon. Vegeta, when he tried to hurt Recome was over 200x more powerful then Roshi and he wasn't holding back. All of these are the facts. "
Your assertions are speculation
Post by hitsusatsu11 (10,746 posts) See mini bio Level 20
@Mortein said:

"

@JThree47605

said:

" @Mortein said:

"@JThree47605 said:

" @Mortein: Right, because we all know Goku was like totally moving hundreds of times faster than light, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. And Im impressed by that scan why? "

If you would like to discuss his speed, lets do it here  
http://www.animevice.com/forums/general-discussion/1/how-fast-are-dbz-characters/314493/#69   You should be impressed by that scan because recoome easily survived attack from Vegeta who wasn't holding back, and who has over 100x more power then it's needed to destroy the Moon, and he stated he can destroy the Earth, while he was significantly weaker.  "
There is nothing to discuss about speed unless you can actually show them going as fast as you say they can go, its put up or shut up time. Vegetas not even a confirmed planet buster at this point. If you wanna just go by hear say, then Hulk is the strongest one there is and He Man is the most powerful man in the universe. "
Well look at my first post
  http://www.animevice.com/forums/general-discussion/1/how-fast-are-dbz-characters/314493/#69   If you don't think Vegeta was able to destroy Earth with PL 18 000, then look at the feats of Roshi with PL under 200 and Piccolo with PL under 500, who both destroyed the Moon. Vegeta, when he tried to hurt Recome was over 200x more powerful then Roshi and he wasn't holding back. All of these are the facts. "
A Piccolo with his casual moon busting power is actually the most destructively powerful here. 
Ginyu force members are all over 100 times as powerful. 
 
I lol at saying no speculation or theorizing is allowed, like theirs some fact sheet in the back of some science textbook about vs battles between fictional characters? 
Gimme a break, vs battles are all about speculating what would happen when different fictions collide.  
As long as someone makes a really good logical case you can't just dismiss it out of hand. 
Post by Mortein (1,558 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@DJSNuva1 said:

Your assertions are speculation "

what is speculation?
is it speculation that Piccolo with PL under 500 or that Roshi with PL under 200 destroyed the moon?
Is it speculation that Vegeta had PL around 45 000? 
Or is it speculation that he wasn't holding back when he attacked Recoome ?
Post by Hellos (2,482 posts) See mini bio Level 11

I wish we actually knew how much more powerful a character actually gets as their power level goes up, because everything is speculation on what a PL: 500 vs the PL: 40,000, does it actually make said person 80x more powerful?  
God knows, because even then all the numbers involving Power Levels in DBZ are completely made up numbers pulled out of a hat that all we know means "the guy with the higher power level is stronger".  
 
No clue how much more powerful they are in durability, speed, energy projection, absolutely nothing.  
It makes debates that focus on these made up nearly meaningless numbers somewhat lacking an actual argument IMO.
Post by JThree47605 (1,004 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@Mortein said:
"@DJSNuva1 said:

Your assertions are speculation "

what is speculation? is it speculation that Piccolo with PL under 500 or that Roshi with PL under 200 destroyed the moon? Is it speculation that Vegeta had PL around 45 000?  Or is it speculation that he wasn't holding back when he attacked Recoome ? "

Its speculation to assume Vegeta could destroy a planet at a pl of 18,000 when we have only seen some one with a pl of 530,000 destroy a planet.
Post by Mortein (1,558 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@JThree47605 said:

" @Mortein said:

"@DJSNuva1 said:

Your assertions are speculation "

what is speculation? is it speculation that Piccolo with PL under 500 or that Roshi with PL under 200 destroyed the moon? Is it speculation that Vegeta had PL around 45 000?  Or is it speculation that he wasn't holding back when he attacked Recoome ? "
Its speculation to assume Vegeta could destroy a planet at a pl of 18,000 when we have only seen some one with a pl of 530,000 destroy a planet. "
I said Vegeta had over 100x more power then it's needed to destroy the Moon, and he stated he can destroy the Earth.
None of this is a speculation.
Post by JThree47605 (1,004 posts) See mini bio Level 10
@Mortein:
So him stating he can destroy a planet makes it true? I don't think so. This is getting pointless really I'm done here.
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