Game Master Battler vs God Spawn

Topic started by CerusSerenade on March 5, 2013. Last post by CerusSerenade 1 year, 5 months ago.
Post by CerusSerenade (2,576 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Because I'm bored.

Battler has the golden longsword, but no endless nine barrier.

Takes place in the court of illusions.

Post by othus12 (6,705 posts) See mini bio Level 13

feats for master?

Post by VinoVash1234 (78 posts) See mini bio Level 8

dont know much about any of these characters especially game master, anyone got feats from him?

Post by CerusSerenade (2,576 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Specifically at the 5 minute 30 second mark it says that distance counted for nothing, and that the concept of distances no longer meant anything because both their attacks were so instantaneous that it was basically being violated. Mind you that the red key (dlanror's longsword) and the golden longsword (Battler's gold sword that draws red, blue, and gold truths) are incredibly broken conceptual weapons.

Post by othus12 (6,705 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@CerusSerenade: spawn cannot be killed...for master to have a chance he does not only needs to be eternal but also imperturbable and nigh omnipotent since anything spawn wishes will be done.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,576 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@othus12: The Golden longsword denies all concepts of defense and immortality. It bypasses durability and attacks the concept or existence of the target.

Here's a quote from the visual novel.

"A weapon for emergencies used by official Inquisitors of Heresy belonging to Eiserne Jungfrau. Dlanor's primary weapon. Unlike a normal weapon, whose purpose is to cause physical damage, this special tool is known as a conceptual weapon, and it is used to deny the existence of concepts.

Regardless of whether the target is physical, mental or conceptual, it is impossible to use any defensive concept, such as physical barriers, mental isolation, and conceptual inheritance, to defend against this weapon. Because the concepts themselves are denied, even the concept of resisting an attack does not exist, and it is impossible for the target to endure regardless of their stamina. Furthermore, all supernatural methods of buying time, such as teleportation, time reversal, revivals, and inheritance are impossible. Because denials of concepts conform to verdict procedures dictated by the Great Court, all future concepts that disobey them will be denied immediately. In addition, when the Red Key forms a complete Barrier, all concepts of evasion cannot be successful.

Defense is Impossible, evasion is impossible, buying time is impossible. The ultimate conceptual weapon is the embodiment of these three impossibilities.

A strict investigation by the Great Court of Heaven is required for the use of the Red Key.Because of this, the very act of dispatching Dlanor, who arms herself with it, is equivalent to a death sentence."

That's for the red key, the golden longsword evolved from the red key.

Spawn can do whatever he wants? That's cool. So can Battler.

Post by othus12 (6,705 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@CerusSerenade: and thats why omnipotent battles are banned from animevice

Post by ALMIGHTY (403 posts) See mini bio Level 8

This is a stalemate...

Post by CerusSerenade (2,576 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@othus12: God Spawn isn't omnipotent, and neither is Battler.

Post by ALMIGHTY (403 posts) See mini bio Level 8

@CerusSerenade: Ummmm Yes he his lol MOM herself made him Omnipotent... Do you have any reasoning as to why he's not ???

Or are you just assuming he's not even though he is...

Post by ALMIGHTY (403 posts) See mini bio Level 8

@CerusSerenade: I mean even his name "GOD Spawn" gives a big clue as to his potence lol...

Post by CerusSerenade (2,576 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@ALMIGHTY: Are you saying MoM is above omnipotence?

Are you also saying that since Kami is "God" that he is omnipotent?

Post by othus12 (6,705 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@CerusSerenade: an omnipotent being can make another being omnipotent, there are no limits, hence the word omni-potent

Post by CerusSerenade (2,576 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@othus12: So you're saying MoM is no more powerful than Spawn?

Post by othus12 (6,705 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@CerusSerenade: actually even though mom is omnipotent she wasnt able to kill neither god nor satan because she made them so powerful it wasnt possible to kill them and since spawn is above that yeah, i would say that mom=god spawn

Post by ReliusClover (784 posts) See mini bio Level 10

No... an Omnipotent being can't make someone else omnipotent, having more than one would defy any sense of logic and deny the very concept of being omnipotent, you can only have one omnipotent per fiction if two "supposed" omnipotents show up you can concluded that one isn't (in this case Spawn) or that neither are (but as wel now that MoM is Omni only Spawn is thrown out).

Post by SamJaz (12,619 posts) See mini bio Level 20

@ReliusClover said:

No... an Omnipotent being can't make someone else omnipotent, having more than one would defy any sense of logic and deny the very concept of being omnipotent, you can only have one omnipotent per fiction if two "supposed" omnipotents show up you can concluded that one isn't (in thisc ase Spawn) or that neither are (but as wel now that MoM is Omni only Spawn is thrown out).

Hold on, omni potent means all powerful. An omnipotent being can do anything.

Post by ReliusClover (784 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@SamJaz: Nice to see you around Sam, think never saw you in VS before.

Anyway, the short answer is no. First there are many contradictions to go hand in hand with it. Most common, silly and popular one is the "make a stone you can't lift" type of argument. If they fail to create the stone they are not Omnipotent, if they do create it, they can't lift it which means they aren't omnipotent again. Next is the whole he's just fictional and created by some guy and can't affect the real world or even other fictional universe thing. And we also have, if they are omnipotent, allpowerful, can't they create something that is beyond omnipotence, but as we know that there's nothing beyond it that's one more thing they can't.

Despite all that, we just take omnipotence as something "beyond the human mind" even fictional one and don't try to explain it but just take it as it is, as it would be nonsensical to deny the concept almighty-ness with a few logical paradoxes. All that taken in accounts, there are a few rules that bind it and are generally accepted as limitations that keep it from completely bursting the laws of logic.

First one would be, there is nothing beyond omnipotence. There simply can't be anything, a rule set in stone. Which means if an Omnipotent, gets defeated or killed by someone, it doesn't mean that that someone was beyond omnipotence but rather that said Omnipotent wasn't omnipotent to being with (best example is Saint of Killers killing God/Yahweh of his verse who turns out to be omnipotent only when on his throne, making him not omnipotent at all as he has his limitation). The second one is also pretty simple, there can't be two omnipotents at the same time in one fictional verse. You can only have one. The very fact that there is an Omnipotent who has someone who is equal in power to him, another Omnipotent, disproves that they both are Omnipotent to being with (or at least one of them isn't).

Post by SamJaz (12,619 posts) See mini bio Level 20

@ReliusClover: In my mind, someone who can do anything can do anything.And yes, an omnipotent being can create a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it. He made that choice, succeeded in his creation. Should he then choose to alter that creation by lifting it, that's his choice too. A better question should be, could an omnipotent being choose not to be an omnipotent being?

Logical answer is, yes. An omnipotent being is a being that can do anything. A paradox is only a difference between what reality is and what you think reality should be.

But anyways, looks like this thread is about fictional characters. Whoops, I abscond.

Post by CerusSerenade (2,576 posts) See mini bio Level 10

So Game Master Battler has a chance against God Spawn. Your thoughts?

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