Destructor Asura vs Tengen Toppa Gurren Laggan

Topic started by ReiKai on Nov. 26, 2012. Last post by Sonata 1 year, 8 months ago.
Post by xxxzz (7 posts) See mini bio Level 6

@shakyric_lawson:

ive made an account simply to reply to this stupidity

you want to scale size?

here.

thats gurren lagann (yes the 60m tall one, not the developer confirmed 10 million light year tall TTGL or the developer confirmed 528 billion light year tall STTGL) tanking a drill 528 billion lightyears long drill.

thats just gurren lagann. asura destroying planets as a human? woopty fuck lol. gurren lagann on its own tanked drills bigger than the universe, what do you think TTGL would do?

scale the size to try and turn the tables for asura all you want.

TTGL still turbostomps, by a goddamn landslide.

and to answer

Did they make hippos fly? irrelevant

Turn physics inside out? yes, they created a mech 528 billion lightyears tall out of nothing, controlled probability, broke the speed of light by several trillion times (do the maths, something that big moving even 1 bodylength completely rapes relativity,

Make entire species go non-existent by willing it? they willed the antispiral not to exist and through their willpower destroyed it

No. They did nothing of the sort. They can't make PI = Chocolate Chip Cookie. They don't warp reality.

asura fanboy confirmed, youve ignored every concrete fact told to you in this thread and continue to ignore it baselessly and make up some more crap.

try harder.

Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10
Alternate Dimensional Space already covered this nonsense. Scale means nothing there.
Example: Tokimi has innumerable galaxies inside her body. Makes her larger than TTGL or Anti-Spiral. And yet she still fits inside Tenchi's living room, and becomes a chibi.
And yet this does not in any way diminish her abilities. Scale means nothing to those with power. It only has meaning to those whose powers are Derived from their Supposed size. And since 90% of arguments for TTGL are about How Big He Is, it makes all of your arguments moot the moment everything is rendered to scale of the fighters. Which means if;
 
A) TTGL is reduced to Planet-Sized to face Destructor Asura, then TTGL's shrink down to accommodate this effect
B) Asura is Scaled Up to TTGL's size, which increases his Physical Abilities appropriately. And since Asura could destroy a Planet-Sized person while only the size of a Man, his Physical abilities would grow astronomically to this purported 10million LY size.
 
And one thing all of these TTGL fans seem to misunderstand is that we're not going by the Movie here. We're going by the Series. Now, I will grant an expression as to the totality of your conversational prowess.
Post by FalconC2 (377 posts) See mini bio Level 9

We're not even talking about Tenchi Muyo or TTGL vs Tokimi here. This is Destructor Asura vs TTGL.

And since 90% of arguments for TTGL are about How Big He Is, it makes all of your arguments moot the moment everything is rendered to scale of the fighters. Which means if;

No.

We have been arguing that TTGL is more powerful on account of it being able to hold off/withstand the Big Bang Storm long enough for Lord Genome to help them absorb it. They were then able to successfully contain and use power comparable to a big bang.

A) TTGL is reduced to Planet-Sized to face Destructor Asura, then TTGL's shrink down to accommodate this effect

B) Asura is Scaled Up to TTGL's size, which increases his Physical Abilities appropriately. And since Asura could destroy a Planet-Sized person while only the size of a Man, his Physical abilities would grow astronomically to this purported 10million LY size.

Do you have any feats that put Asura at that level or are you just trying to power him up here so he wins? Or, are you just weakening TTGL here so it loses?

Either way, you're not being objective.

Post by KingOfAsh (1,380 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Theres a difference between creating small galaxies and scaling out to be the size of a nearby normal galaxy. If you wanted planet size, there is Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann, which still destroyed two Anti-Spiral warships many times bigger than themselves with barely any effort.

Post by xxxzz (7 posts) See mini bio Level 6

holy fuck son are you acting retarded on purpose?

straight from the developers mouth, not some assravaged asura fangirl.

Could TTGL exist in normal space?

TTGL could exist in normal space as it creates the Super Spiral Space within itself.

http://www.japanator.com/the-secrets-of-gurren-lagann-answered--6714.phtml

developers word overrides your misguided anguished fanboy whining 10/10 times

you want to scale size still even after being proven 100% wrong?

here

episode 22: 6:12

lets put that into perspective here.

cmon assravaged fanboy, lets here you bullshit your way outta this.

fyi since you never actually watched the series, thats regular old gurren lagann. 60m tall.

and simon didnt even have 1 trillionth of the spiral power compared to when he made TTGL in episode 27

and im being literal here, gurren lagann is 60m tall, TTGL is 10 million lightyears tall.

10 million lighyears=58,697,136,000,000,000,000 miles.

60m= 0.037 282 272 of a mile.

58,697,136,000,000,000,000/0.037 282 272= 1 574 398 040 977 760 153 673.037 followed by about 30 more decimals.

simon had 1/1 574 398 040 977 760 153 673th of the power of TTGL at this stage, what in the everloving fuck do you think hed do to asura, scaled up or down as TTGL?

i dont even want to do calculations on STTGL

scale all you want

deny factual evidence all you want

claim what you say overrides what the people who actually made the anime say

you cannot win, youve trapped yourself in a corner.

the hilarity is in trying to watch you escape.

and about all your scale arguments since youre the ONLY one bringing it up, had they shown earth in actual scale compared to the battle at hand, it would be literally invisible. you as a viewer wouldnt be able to see it, infact, showing any form of mech from before they transformed into TTGL wouldnt even be a bacteria in comparison.

they made things visible so you could actually see whats happening otherwise they would be fighting to defend an empty black portal and once the grand zamboa destroyed TTGL he would be appearing to attack literally nothing.

Post by shakyric_lawson (64 posts) See mini bio Level 6

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Ummm..... LOL, sure... however we need to clear something up first. Namely, I am not an Asura fanboy, as I believe that many verses would rape Asura. However, what you seem to fail to understand in your quest to insult me was that I made that claim based off what I had seen throughout this thread (not the opposite as you seem to believe) Even you have to admit that most of the feats shown are sized based, which lead me to conclude that scaling would change the odds. No fanboyism there, only deductions based off what i've seen here. Could I have been wrong? Certainly, but don't pretend to know that my assertion was baseless, and/or made because I liked Asura, because I didn't.

As for the rest of that comment, considering that my only assertion was that Asura would win if he was scaled, the rest of that was truly pointless.

Thats all, bye.

Post by xxxzz (7 posts) See mini bio Level 6

that comment wasnt directed at you, it was directed at the assravaged asura fanboy, reikai.

and as clearly shown in this thread which is what weve been trying to point out to him, while TTGL being 10 million lightyears tall does make it incredibly powerful, not all feats of strength are due to size.

weve already shown TTGL tanking a universe level big bang, regular gurren lagann tanking a 3x planet size blast at literally 1/1 thousand trillionth of TTGL's full power and size and regular gurren lagann tanking a 528 billion light year long giga drill.

the only way he seems to try and argue this is by satying his word overrides the developers word, that TTGL was in a warped universe, which has 0 evidence to back up and pages of screenshots and clear evidence against it, denying the movies exist, and bringing up completely unrelated anime/games in a sad sorry atttempt to try justify the ridiculously stupid question he originally asked.

its not even close.

TTGL turbo rapestomps, scaled up or scaled down 11/10 times

Post by ReiKai (3,510 posts) See mini bio Level 10
Now, let us assume for a moment that "Interview" is even real. No where does it state any of the things that the majority of the TTGL fanboys claim. IE
 
1. Being 10million lightyears tall
2. Infinite Energy
3. Universe-Busting Power
 
And here's the thing you cling to as your last hope.

Could TTGL exist in normal space?

TTGL could exist in normal space as it creates the Super Spiral Space within itself.

Nothing is said how the Spiral Space is different from the rest of known space, nor any mention of TTGL's size as it would be in Real Space. All he said was that it Can exist in Normal Space. And the kicker is; he is Admitting that this is happening in an Alternate Space. Which means all normal Physical laws of size do not apply, and Galaxies as appearing in the Spiral Space do not necessarily equal the size of galaxies in Real Space.
 
You do realize you just doomed your entire argument through this, yes?
Post by xxxzz (7 posts) See mini bio Level 6

the official databook for both the movie and the series state both mechs ultimate height.

this is official, you denying it will just be ignored,

tengen toppa gurren lagann is 10 million lighteyears tall

super tengen toppa gurren lagann is 52.8 billion lightyears tall without giga drill, 528 billion with.

and it was a fucking plot point that the battle took place in the 11th dimension, you know, if you had actually watched it which you quite obviously havent, they created a universe between the 10th and 12 dimension to stop lordgenome from destroying them, it was explained quite in depth but since you never watched the series you wouldnt know. that.

physical laws of space and time still apply, albeit relativity is told to go fuck itself and had been that way since episode 1.

you seem suprised at your sudden discovery, if it was in normal space the universe would have been destroyed when it fucking exploded after the anti spiral dies then the all explain how the 11th dimension collapsed right after they won. you know, if youd actually watched it.

youve given no evidence to back your claim besides your fruitless, unbased, strawgrasping words.

there has been pages proving you wrong yet you keep ignoring it.

also, the infinity big bang storm had the power to create universes, both the anti spiral and spirals said it, then we clearly see galaxies being formed by this attack, flying out of the back of TTGL

oh wait, you wouldnt know that, youve never seen the series..

Post by xxxzz (7 posts) See mini bio Level 6

@ReiKai said:

Now, let us assume for a moment that "Interview" is even real. No where does it state any of the things that the majority of the TTGL fanboys claim. IE

1. Being 10million lightyears tall
2. Infinite Energy
3. Universe-Busting Power

And here's the thing you cling to as your last hope.

Could TTGL exist in normal space?

TTGL could exist in normal space as it creates the Super Spiral Space within itself.

Nothing is said how the Spiral Space is different from the rest of known space, nor any mention of TTGL's size as it would be in Real Space. All he said was that it Can exist in Normal Space. And the kicker is; he is Admitting that this is happening in an Alternate Space. Which means all normal Physical laws of size do not apply, and Galaxies as appearing in the Spiral Space do not necessarily equal the size of galaxies in Real Space. You do realize you just doomed your entire argument through this, yes?

since you seem to have ignored anything you cant bullshit your way out of, ill post these again.

youre only argument of 'scaling size' even though thats completely useless as its fact that both ttgl/sttgl can tank universe+ level attacks

LAHWL B-B-BB-BUT THE SCALE GUIZE...

Edit, now ive got the official scans from the official data book for the series, straight from gainax. its time for you to stop posting. only a special type of retard continues arguing against undeniable evidence such as this, it puts TTGL at 10^15 the size of super galaxy gurren lagann.(thats 15 quadrillion times times the size of a moon sized mech)

if you do however feel the need to be a fucking retard in the face of all this undeniable evidence, let me grab the popcorn because this is gonna be good.

Post by KingOfAsh (1,380 posts) See mini bio Level 15

The Granzebomia's hand also briefly entered real space via Perceptual Teleportation and held it's form (Perceptual Teleportation is the most propable reason why they were visible from light years away, also the Earth was shown to be big because space folded due to energies interfering with the Spiral Recognition system, not just a hole open in space; the planet on the Grandzabomias head could have easily been enlarged, as the Anti-Spiral created two universes, their own dimension and the Infinity Big Bang Storm, as well as liquifying time-space; they also manipulated their homeworld back in the fight with Super Galaxy Dai-Gurren).

Finally someone tracked down the guidebook. :D Can't really understand it, but I see the pictures give an idea to their size.

I still think Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann vs Destructor Asura will be a better fight, as it is planet sized and destroyed Anti-Spiral Warships bigger than itself and the Earth.

Post by xxxzz (7 posts) See mini bio Level 6

what people like that retard OP dont understand about the scale in the last scene of the series (and the movie, especially the movie) is for us to see whats happening things need to be larger than they really are, its already confirmed beyond an arguable doubt that TTGL is 10 million lightyears tall and STTGL is 52.8 billion lighyears without its drill, 10x bigger with it. scales that big are truly unimaginable, planets, galaxies, moons and previous monster mechs arent even the smallest invisible dot in comparison. if they did this scale right, we'd see the TTGL and SGZ fighting, the galaxy theyre fighting on/the background galaxies and absolutely nothing else. once TTGL was destroyed we would see the SGZ shooting drills at absolutely nothing while standing in front of an empty black portal, earth wouldnt be visible, hell at that size, neither would the sun.

and if were talking about the STTGL, even the galaxies sizes had to be exaggerated in some shots to even be visible

but retards like OP like to ignore details like this and the OFFICIAL word from gainax and take it as some retarded fan theory with no proof.

Post by xxxzz (7 posts) See mini bio Level 6

looks like fucktard OP finally realized how fucking stupid his scenario was and gave up.

what a joker.

Post by Sonata (35,337 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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@xxxzz: Watch the name calling please.
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