Destructor Asura vs Tengen Toppa Gurren Laggan

Topic started by ReiKai on Nov. 26, 2012. Last post by Sonata 1 year, 6 months ago.
Post by Hellos (2,482 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@FalconC2 said:

Galaxies in that fight against the Anti Spiral acted nothing like galaxies and were about as large as the Earth was.

Not from what I saw. I do remember the Anti-Spiral opening up a portal to view the Earth but I don't recall it be directly next to the galaxies to scale for size.

Plus, Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann was already dwarfing planets, and planets were smaller in size by comparison to it when the Anti-Spiral ships started throwing them at SGGL IIRC. TTGL is much larger than SGGL.

Said portal was appearing to be quite a distance from Earth to begin with:

The fact the rocky planet the Anti Spirals had sporting on their head suggests their scale isn't anywhere close to spanning galaxies.

It wasn't that much larger given that last final attack, maybe 2-4 times larger at best.

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Scale was kind of wonky in that fight. That's to be expected considering that both TTGL and the Anti-Spiral are reality warpers. It also makes it hard to tell how far the Earth was from them there, especially since they were in a different dimension at the time. As for the Anti-Spiral planet, we don't know how large it was or if it grew alongside Grand Zamboa.

Not sure but wasn't there also a databook that stated TTGL's size was around ten million light-years?

Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9
Which, yet again, doesn't matter as fighters are scaled to each other. And as one of Asura's primary attacks, he literally shoots Fists. So if you wanted to go with the scale up to "bigger than galaxy", then Asura would be rapid-firing galaxy-sized fists at TTGL. Would that not be true? Oh and that's BS. They don't warp reality. Shifting dimensions isn't the same as warping reality.
Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Would that not be true? Oh and that's BS. They don't warp reality. Shifting dimensions isn't the same as warping reality.

Yeah, they do. The Anti-Spirals warp space and time, created a pocket universe, tossed Team Gurren into the multiverse labyrinth--which they all escaped--and spiral energy basically allows your beliefs to become reality. That's warping reality. Also, part of the plot of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann was that the spiral energy of spiral beings (humans, for instance) would grow endlessly until it would lead to spiral nemesis and destroy the universe.

Post by TheNeutralOne (1,015 posts) See mini bio Level 10

You all say these fancy things but have they defeated their own God? Have they in anyway shown that they can take on a dude that can do so? And even if they have has that dude ever been Asura?

Asura was meant to be the ultimate hack do not try to make sense out of battles with him. If you pushed him into another dimension he would probably get so angry he would grip the air and walk through it back to where he came from =\.

Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9
@FalconC2 said:

Yeah, they do. The Anti-Spirals warp space and time, created a pocket universe, tossed Team Gurren into the multiverse labyrinth--which they all escaped--and spiral energy basically allows your beliefs to become reality. That's warping reality. Also, part of the plot of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann was that the spiral energy of spiral beings (humans, for instance) would grow endlessly until it would lead to spiral nemesis and destroy the universe.

They created a pocket dimension. Not a big deal. Jedah does that in Darkstalkers. The Nobility in VHD made tons of them. Magic users in Warcraft lore do it as well. Chakravartin did it in Asura's Wrath. Mundus did it in DMC1. It's not some super-powerful ability. It's cool to have, but you're taking it out of proportion. And the "Multiverse labyrinth" is BS. It's not physical. It was a mental attack that they didn't even escape on their own merit. Also, Spiral energy didn't turn Will into reality. It turned Will into Energy and that into Matter. Not all that impossible. It's a form of energy/matter manipulation.
 
Did they make hippos fly? Turn physics inside out? Make entire species go non-existent by willing it? No. They did nothing of the sort. They can't make PI = Chocolate Chip Cookie. They don't warp reality. 
 
The infinite power argument has been done. Asura has it too. And he's not just a battery. He's the weapon, the machine, the source, all in one. He's the Hindu Hulk.
Post by TheNeutralOne (1,015 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@ReiKai: ...with newly added kung fu grip~

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

You're both so very good at the whole denial thing.

They created a pocket dimension.

That was likely the size of a universe and they had complete control over it. It had stars, galaxies, et ceterea.

Not a big deal. Jedah does that in Darkstalkers. The Nobility in VHD made tons of them. Magic users in Warcraft lore do it as well. Chakravartin did it in Asura's Wrath. Mundus did it in DMC1. It's not some super-powerful ability. It's cool to have, but you're taking it out of proportion. And the "Multiverse labyrinth" is BS. It's not physical. It was a mental attack that they didn't even escape on their own merit. Also, Spiral energy didn't turn Will into reality. It turned Will into Energy and that into Matter. Not all that impossible. It's a form of energy/matter manipulation.

Blah blah blah. More baseless claims. Blah blah blah.

Seriously, it's like you don't know the definition of warping reality.

Definition: "It is the ability to reshape matter and energy, create or alter life forms, turn a person's thoughts or desires into reality, simulate any and all other powers and abilities, bend time and space, and possibly even rewrite the laws of physics."

Many of these abilities were exhibited by both the Anti-Spiral and TTGL in their fight, and it was also exhibited in the SGGL fight. The only way you could say otherwise is if you haven't watched the series and don't know what you're even talking about, which you don't.

The infinite power argument has been done. Asura has it too. And he's not just a battery. He's the weapon, the machine, the source, all in one. He's the Hindu Hulk.

Yeah, Asura's cool and all that but you can't use your opinion as proof that he has infinite power. He has a lot of power and it has shown to grow with his anger but just like the Hulk he has his limits. We have to go by feats here.

Also, I didn't say infinite power in regards to spiral energy. I said that it grew endlessly until it reaches spiral nemesis and destroys the universe. That's it limit. It can't go beyond universal in destructive capacity. It's not multiversal.

Post by MisterShin (2,122 posts) See mini bio Level 14
TTGL can destroy a Galaxy or Universe right? so I go for him. 
Asura was a mini-star buster IIRC (destroyed a star which was smaller than our sun)
Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

No, actually Asura should be a large star-buster (in destructor mode) considering that he was able to punch through Chakravartin, and Chakra's likely over several times the size of our sun in scale to it, since he was floating over it and he was considerably larger than it. I also recall Chakravartin using a Rigul (a large blue sun) in the fight that you had to destroy. Then again, not sure if that was in a cutscene or a game-play mechanic. Been a while since I played it.

Nevertheless. TTGL should still win this match easily.

Post by MisterShin (2,122 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Im not sure about large star (I still recall mini-star), but whatever.

Post by Haofan123 (3,675 posts) See mini bio Level 13

TTGL was able to tank the concentrated power of the big bang for a while before they were able convert it into a drill and EAT IT. Hell, Leeron even calculated its power in the series and stated that the attacks energy was on par with the big bang itself. the f*ck is asura can asura do to harm something like that? And yes, I am fully aware of Asuras power, and it is no where around that of the big bang. TTGL takes it

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Ayup.

There's a big difference of power here and TTGL is on another level entirely.

Post by shakyric_lawson (64 posts) See mini bio Level 6

LOL, is everyone simply ignoring the fact that the characters have been SCALED TO SIZE. If they're both the same size, Asura GODSTOMPS easily. Asura destroyed a being about the size of the planet while human sized. And even matched the beam of the bramastra for a while. If their the same size, Asura wins.

Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

Changing size doesn't change the fact that TTGL is more powerful. Unless they've been scaled in power/speed/abilities as well. In that case, it's completely subjective who wins.

Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9
Except that the majority of your arguments concerning TTGL's power is about its Size. Nvm that the supposed "universe-busting' power didn't come from TTGL, but the Anti-Spiral. And let's never forget that you're basing that power off a Character Statement. And we all know how well those go over here.
 
Put it like this. You scale TTGL down, he's not tossing galaxies and tanking attacks astronomically larger than itself. You scale Asura up, and TTGL gets pummeled by a guy faster and more experienced than their entire team is.
Post by FalconC2 (349 posts) See mini bio Level 9

You're completely ignoring the fact that TTGL could go toe-to-toe with the Anti-Spiral, tank the big bang storm for a while--until Genome helped them to absorb it--and that TTGL could contain that much power.

Why am I not surprised? Anyway, if you're not going to scale their power to be at the same level as well. TTGL wins by a landslide. If you are going to scale their power/abilities as well then it's completely subjective with no clear outcome.

Post by Haofan123 (3,675 posts) See mini bio Level 13

also, in order to dispell any doubts about TTGLs size, the official(and needless to say, canon) data books confirm that TTGL is more than 10 million light years in height. Just thought id throw it out there

Post by ReiKai (3,463 posts) See mini bio Level 9
And Asura contained the force of a blast from Chakravartin, used it to become planet-sized, and then continued to increase his own power at a geometric rate to match and exceed that of a Creator God. Asura's only drawback early on is that he was so goddamn powerful that his body couldn't contain the force of his own Wrath. So instead, Yasha had to give him the Mantra Reactor from the Brahmastra, which had the capacity to contain the Mantra of over seven trillion souls. Several-hundred Million was enough to turn Wyzen as large as the planet, and it took the Seven Deities over twelve-thousand years to gather all that power. It took Asura maybe a Week of being conscious to catch up and beat the shit out of all of them.
 
And you keep going on about a Data Book, which you have yet to provide evidence of as to its existence or that it actually says anything to that effect. Link a quote from the book with page reference or scan the page so people can see it. People don't seem to enjoy going by my word, so I won't very well go by theirs without proof. Which is, once more, not even an issue since the fighters are Scaled to each other.
 
Let's have a recap. This is what Asura can do right after spending 12,000yrs of being Dead.
  
Post by Haofan123 (3,675 posts) See mini bio Level 13

@ReiKai: No one listens to your opinions because you dont listen to anyones either. TTGL tanked a big bang. You can say the characters made that up, but ask yourself. Why would they have reason to do that?When Asura has any feats that rival such an attack tell me because otherwise this debate is pointless

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