@ReiKai: Oh okay. Well I saw people use Chaos Vincent in a battle forum. I heard he is pretty hax.
@SpeedForceSpider: Because you are not supposed to use them in vs debates and because they don't make any sense and are inconsistent shit? I don't see why you need to question my knowledge about different series just because i defend one character.
And MHS, lol? Are you from MvC or what? Cloud to earth lighting is the only one that is accepted for speed feats, magical lightning gets the fuck ignored out of it. Cloud's be speed feat is mach 20-ish while Saber has mach 26 reactions so...
@Fehafare: What are you talking about? That is real lightning in the original script is says it is REAL lightning. Don't try to downplay it because you want to wank Saber that is ludicrous. And what MvC are you referring to? Marvel vs Capcom dafuq? I never post video game feats only cutscenes and such, I hope you're not trying to bring up a stupid argument from that Dante vs Claymore debate. LOL.
And show me Saber having mach 26 reactions because it sounds to me like you pulled that number out of your ass. I love FSN and Fate Zero but this is were we cross the line.
@ReiKai: None of the things you saw/read are canon...
@SpeedForceSpider: It doesn't matter what the script say... it's either cloud to earth or not accepted, at least on places that are not MvC, MvC is a forum known for it's horrid FF wank and idiotic logic.
And sorry it's not 26, it's 28 actually. That is a feat from Fate/Hollow Antraxia, Saber dodged Archer's mach 14 arrow while moving at the same speed towards it on a collision course, giving it a total of 28.
@SpeedForceSpider: It doesn't matter what the script say...
That is idiotic to say that just because you don't wanna believe it. Your opinion doesn't make the rules that isn't a good debating skill. You wanna say the original script doesn't matter hell Saber's powers don't matter by your logic so Cloud wins by default. Oh well since you ignore evidence and don't wanna post feats this debate is pretty much done.
Generally idiocy like stat books and shit like that is not accepted so bringing it up to begin with is wrong. I repeat, IT IS NOT MY OPINION. It's how 90% of people debate, it's an unwritten rule, lightning is only accepted when it's cloud to earth, deal with it.
And if you didn't notice i did post her mach 28 feat...
@ReiKai: I'm too lazy to search for the shit go find it yourself. And as said it's not the point about it being the script, it's about a goddamn statment about lighting being ignored when it comes to vs. It's either could >>>> earth or no sell.
I didn't say movement, i said reactions and not movement speed, If two cars, each moving at 60mph, collide on the highway, it doesn't mean one of them doubled to 120mph, true but it would look to both drivers as if it was a speed of 120mph which means to react one would still need to reactions on that level even if he's not moving on that speed level.
@ReiKai: Denying very simple facts like that won't get you very far, will it? Something moving towards you with a speed will look to you as that speed + your own, no matter if you know where it's moving or not. It's a simple thing you experience in everyday life yet you fail to understand it? That feat was calced and approved by several people so...
And actually, yes that arrow auto traces the target who in that case was Shirou, who happened to be 4 kilometers (actually 2 as Saber and arrow meet on half of the way) away.
I don't see anything Cloud can do in any form to win.
stop being a fanboy.
cloud mops the floor with ORT and 100% arc. FSN/FZ servants are fodder level compared to his triple digit hypersonic speed and country level slashes
Lol, now that's just stupid. A weaker being than 100% Arc and ORT created an enormous rift around the entire planet with her death scream, dividing it in two. They built Ado Edem's prison inside it. Also, show proof that Cloud is tripple digit hypersonic, leaving aside the fact that 100% Arc and ORT ARE tripple digit hypersonic and outclass Cloud or any FFVII character in all stats.