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Okey these are some rough calculations i made up regarding Vegito SSJ2. This is an huge post so be warned.

SSJ - Is an x50 multiplier.

SSJ2 - Believed by many to be double the SSJ so x100. To me SSJ2 seems weaker than SSJ as the multiplier goes down with SSJ3. For the sake of conversation i put it at x25.

SSJ3 - Is acording to the wiki 4 times stronger than the SSJ2 so thats an x4 multiplier. Like i said before the multipliers seems to go down (imo).

SSJ4 - It should be even higher than Golden Oozaru more on that later.

Oozaru - Is an x10 multiplier.

Golden Oozaru - Many believe that the Golden Oozaru has the SSJ multiplier. Some fans believe in two things: Multiply the SSJ with the Oozaru multiplier (x10+x50) making the Golden Oozaru at x500.

The other is add up the multiplier making the Golden Oozaru at x60.

To me x500 sounds....grotesque. You will see below why. So i will stick with the x60 for now. I know the x500 is more populair and is what many fans use but like i said this is my opinion.

There seem to be more info on the multipliers like SSJ2 and the Golden Oozaru in the *SEB* so if people can find some scans that would be most welcome.

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Exciting_Guide

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Goku GT (base) was fighting Rildo who acording to Goku himself in both the official DUB and SUB was stronger than Majin Buu. Witch Majin Buu we don't know.

It could be Fat Buu or Kid Buu (more likely) or heck even Buuhan. Goku was winning against Rildo even after he gained the powers from the Sigma Force. Only went SSJ against Metal-Rildo.

So Goku here could be even more powerfull than his DBZ counterpart at SSJ3 but for now lets put him in the same tier.

Gotenks at SSJ should be around Goku SSJ3, maybe even a little bit stronger but like i said these are some rough estimates. I downplayed Goku GT so i do it to Gotenks to.

Gotenks SSJ3 is said to be slighlty stronger than Super Buu (debatable) but again i put him even as Super Buu.

Mystic Gohan is unknown.

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Now i use the calculator and add the numbers up, i use 50.000 as the base PL, using the multipliers x50/x25/x4.

Goku SSJ3 PL: 50.000.

Goku GT (base)PL: 50.000.

Gotenks SSJ PL: 50.000.

Gotenks SSJ2 PL: 1.250.000.

Goku GT SSJ PL: 2.500.000.

Gotenks SSJ3 PL: 5.000.000.

Super Buu PL: 5.000.000.

Goku GT SSJ2 PL: 62.500.000.

Mystic Gohan PL: ??? - Maybe around 7.000.000. Remember you don't need an huge amount of power to dominate an opponent.

Buutenks PL: 10.000.000. (not including Piccolo).

Buuhan PL: 12.000.000. (Not including Goten/Trunks/Piccolo).

Vegito (base) PL: ??? - He was stronger than Buuhan but not by an epic amount (imo) but still stronger. Maybe 25.000.000. Again remember you don't need an uber amount to dominate in an battle.

Goku GT SSJ3 PL: 250.000.000.

Baby Vegeta (base) PL: ??? - He tanked everything SSJ3 had and dodge his attacks making it look easy, all that with a smile on his face. Maybe around 300.000.000 - 400.000.000.

Baby Vegeta (2'nd Form) PL: ??? - He recieved the powers from Gohan/Trunks/Goten/Bulla. They weren't SSJ's but i don't know if that matters. They weren't holding back, looked intense.

Baby Vegeta (Final Form) PL: ??? - He recieved the powers from the people of Earth.

Vegito SSJ (Super Vegito) PL: 1.250.000.000.

Golden Oozaru PL: 15.000.000.000.

Vegito SSJ2 PL: 31.250.000.000.

Vegito SSJ3 PL: 125.000.000.000.

Golden Oozaru x500 multiplier PL: 125.000.000.000.

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Now onto SSJ4. Remember when Baby went Ape and fought SSJ4, he was winning yes but much to Baby's suprise SSJ4 did hurt him multiple times, lifting him up and trowing him around.

You also need to keep in mind that this is Super Baby Vegeta that transformed into Golden Oozaru, he was already MUCH MUCH stronger than Goku SSJ3, yet SSJ4 still was keeping up.

Yeah imagine that, Goku GT SSJ3 was getting clobberd by Baby Vegeta (base) and he transformed 2 times, then went Ape and SSJ4 STILL was doing harm. Super Baby Vegeta>>>>>>>>>>Goku GT SSJ3.

Remember that these are rough calculations and some characters are either downplayed or upgraded an considerable amount. This it important so keep this in mind.

Not everything is 100% accurate like the SSJ2 multiplier or even the Golden Oozaru could be only x20 or x30 but it could also be x500 as many fans believe.

I mainly created this because alot of my friends and some people who send me PM's from this site who think that Vegito is gonna STOMP (capital letters) the entire GT cast...solo. This to me sounds BS.

After the Baby Saga and numerous other battles Goku should have increased his power seeing as how fast GT characters lvl. Goku had several major battles so his increase is worth mentioning.

If we go to the Shadow Dragon Saga, Syn Shenron not only beat SSJ4 but he did so in a couple of minutes. Goku then recieved the powers from his loved ones who were going all out.

Gohan was worried if Goku could handle the power increase but Goku wanted to qontinue. Goku SSJ4 was then amped up considerably and this is Goku from the Shadow Dragon Saga remember. *DBGT - Shadow Dragons Unite*

All was futile against Omega Shenron who...sodomized Goku SSJ4 (Amped) Vegeta SSJ4 while he lost the Four Start Ball no less. I simply cannot see Vegito SSJ2 beating any high tier GT character.

What i'm going with this is, even tho these are quick calculations, some info is missing and characters getting downplayed/upgraded do people still think that Vegito SSJ2 solo's the GT Verse?

If you think i'm totally offbase please let me know so that i can learn from it. I also like to hear your idea about everything i said.

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Key Points:

This is about Vegito SSJ2 and solo-ing the GT Verse.

PL's vary alot. (important)

Incomplete info.

Great Ape Baby>>Goku SSJ4>>>Great Ape>>>>Super Baby Vegeta>>>>>>>>Goku GT SSJ3 (Baby Saga).

Speculation regarding SSJ2/SSJ4/Golden Oozaru.

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Rules:

- Bloodlusted.

- No Morals.

- No Planet Busting.

- No Attacks that can Transmute/Magic/Warp.

- No BFR.

Round 1: Super Baby Vegeta, Majuub.

Fight takes place on Planet Tuffle.

Prep for team.

Vegito can go SSJ.

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Round 2: Haze Shenron, Naturon Shenron (Pan absorbed), Oceanus Shenron.

Fight takes place on an polluted island with large bodies of water.

Prep for team.

Vegito can go SSJ.

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Round 3: Eis Shenron.

Fight takes place on planet Polaris.

Can use the planet.

Prep for Eis.

Freeze effect apply for only brief seconds.

Can use his Super Ice Ray.

Vegito can go SSJ2.

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Round 4: Nuova Shenron

Fight takes place on planet Rudeeze.

Can use the planet.

Prep fror Nuova.

Nuova can use his Nova Sphere.

Vegito can go SSJ2.

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Some extra info about some of the rounds:

Round 2: Haze Shenron's has an abilitie that the longer the fight drags on the weaker the opponent gets. For some more extra info visit this tread: http://www.animevice.com/forums/battles/33/vegito-battles-the-shadow-dragons/332782/#20

Round 3: Eis Shenron's Ice attack are strong enough to freeze even an SSJ4. For some more info (Recommend) go to the link i posted above.

Round 4: Nuova's Nova Sphere was strong enough to incarcerate even Omega Shernon. Nuova is faster than both Goku/Vegeta SSJ4. Can use the Sun's energy to power up attacks giving him unlimited energy supply. More info see above.

Eis and Nouva might be above SSJ4 Goku, but Vegito is way beyond SSJ4 so he should be able to take them down fairly easily.

@All_StarSupes: Explain to me in detail how he is WAY higher than Goku SSJ4.

EDIT: Look at the PL increase from Goku GT SSJ3 to Golden Oozaru. Now imagine Super Baby Vegeta doing that kind f power leap and STILL SSJ4 was giving him an run for his money.

Regular Vegito is way beyond SSJ3 Goku, I mean he would slaughter him in seconds, so it's more than likely that at Vegito at SSJ2 will dwarf SSJ4 Goku. Thus putting him above the Shenrons.

@All_StarSupes: Yes Vegito (base) is stronger than SSJ3 (DBZ) but whats that got to do with anything. Goku GT is just as strong as Goku SSJ3 at BASE. I already explained this multiply times.

I know it was shown that Goku GT=SSJ3, but common sense should also be a factor in determining fights. If you go by GT logic SSJ3 Goku > Vegito, and I ask where are the feats to prove any such jump in power?

@SpeedForceSpider: Its very simple. Goku GT (base) is just as strong as his DBZ counterpart at SSJ3. Than you go x50. As you can see if Goku SSJ3 gets an x50 boost that puts him WAY above Gotenks/Mystic Gohan and and the 2 Buu's.

You yourself said many times that Gotenks SSJ is around SSJ3 Goku. From there you simple add the numbers up. Lets change things up an bit an put the SSJ2 multiplier at x100:

Goku SSJ3 PL: 50.000.

Goku GT (base)PL: 50.000.

Gotenks SSJ PL: 50.000.

Goku GT SSJ PL: 2.500.000.

Gotenks SSJ2 PL: 5.000.000.

Gotenks SSJ3 PL: 20.000.000.

Super Buu PL: 20.000.000.

Mystic Gohan PL: 30.000.000.

Buutenks PL: 40.000.000. (Excluding Piccolo)

Buuhan PL: 50.000.000. (Excluding Piccolo/Goten/Trunks)

Vegito (base) PL: 100.000.000.

Goku GT SSJ2 PL: 250.000.000.

Now...are you telling me that Vegito (base) has MORE that Goku GT SSJ2 who is clocked at THAT!. No way, Vegito (base) is strong yes but not this strong. I posted in my other tread some info about the Buu fight witch i will do so again: If you have the original episode (DBZ - 254 Meet Vegito) skip to the 5 min mark and see how Vegito and Buu where fighting up in the clounds, you can visible see Vegito wasn't fooling with him the the entire time, later on the scene switches to the Kai's and then you can see Vegtio overpowering him. When Buu was powering up he was protecting himself by crossing his arms over his face, later when Buu had his giant energy ball up he looked worried for an brief moment, later when Buu fired his attack Vegito deflected it after a brief stuggle. Both of the fighters where grining like children witch shows neither of them where going all out. Vegito is stronger yes but he isn't THAT much stronger, you yourself said many times that an fighter doesn't need an huge power lvl to beat somebody. Just for the sake off conversation i gave him double the strength than Buu.

Goku GT SSJ3 PL: 1.000.000.000.

Super Vegito PL: 5.000.000.000.

Golden Oozaru PL: 60.000.000.000.

Vegito SSJ2 PL: 500.000.000.000.

Baby Vegeta (base) PL: ???

Baby Vegeta (2'nd Form) PL: ???

Baby Vegita (Final Form) PL: ???

Goku SSJ4 PL: ???

Great Ape Baby PL: ???

Goku SSJ4 (amped) PL: ???

I increased the SSJ2 multiplier by x100, i gave Vegito (base) more power than i believe he should have but okey. Baby Vegita's PL is unknown the only thing we know is that he can curbstomp Goku GT SSJ3. Super Baby Vegeta gaining x60 was slightly strongert han Goku SSJ4.

All in all if i look at it even with the fan made PL's that neither you and i are ever gonna get correct, GT's logic is whats stopping me to say Vegito stomps GT. Here i use the x60 for the Golden Oozaru yet populair believe is thats x500, what puts him at SSJ2...never mind what SSJ4 is. Alot of people say that the x500 is correct because its stated in the *SEG* but i cannot confirm this thats why i used mearly the x60. 2 things: If i'm right Vegito SSJ2 could beat SSJ4 or the x500 is correct than Vegito SSJ2 gets lolstomped.

Remember neither you or i are EVER gonna get this right, Goku GT (base) said Rildo was stronger than Majin Buu it could be Fat Buu/Kid Buu/Buutenks/Buuhan we don't know. Goku won against Rildo even when he gained the powers of the Sigma Force. We never know how strong Baby Vegeta is, we know that he curbstomped Goku GT SSJ3 with a smile. The powerup from Gohan/Goten/Trunks/Bullam + People of Earth will give him a serious powerboost, couple that with x60 or x500 Great Ape...yeah and Goku SSJ4 was still keeping up. We also do not know how much stronger they all get after the Saga's continue it could be an small amount/decent amount or WTFBBQZOMG increase and if you know GT (witch you do) that option is totally on the table.

The GT cast have some of the most broken attacks its not even funny. Goku SSJ4 knows his *I win move* Dragon Fist, Nuova Shenron can use his Nova Sphere that can KILL freaking...fffing Omega Shenron, Eis Shenron can freeze an SSJ4. Super 17 has like unlimited energy absorbsion capacities. Like i said you and i could make up some PL's all day long, you would increase Vegito (base) PL by 100 fold or something, but i could say that Rildo (Sigma Force)>>>Mystic Buu witch puts and another perspective on the PL's or putting the x500 Oozaru into play and so on and so on. GT's powerscaling is maybe even worse than the movies...

I'm gonna watch this tread to see if other people could post some insightfull comments rather than one sentence post and i will look into it but as of right now i'm leaning towards that GT will own Vegito. After that i won't trouble myself anymorw ith GT vs DBZ battles to prevent 20 pages of repeated or flame posts. One less thing :) first Broly is off my list and maybe now this :)

@All_StarSupes:

What feats you that you are talking about? Force? Speed​​? destruction?

Goku in the fight vs freeza cell, showed some similar capabilities such as Vegito:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIhnPT2BhDw

Survived posession of a cell.

He toyed with the Destructo Disk freeza.

Goku ssj vs super17:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvj0Pb-GvCw

super17 who defeated all the z fighters together, goku does super17 into orbit with the earth.

Still have the feats of goku destroy a dimension.

If this is not good feats, that feats is good for you?

@jazmac: if exists Vegito in GT, it you would be correct, more he not exist because goku and vegeta parted, gave it a long time to overcome the fusion Vegito, as a powerful fusion depends on the power scaling of vegeta and goku, as are larger than those of the characters in DBZ, gogeta ssj4 goes far beyond a vegito, and in dbz gogeta e vegito they were placed as near on power scaling.

by the way is the strongest character in DBZ not GT, GT gogeta ssj4 is more strong, can not escape that fact.

@valfranx said:

@jazmac: if exists Vegito in GT, it you would be correct, more he not exist because goku and vegeta parted, gave it a long time to overcome the fusion Vegito, as a powerful fusion depends on the power scaling of vegeta and goku, as are larger than those of the characters in DBZ, gogeta ssj4 goes far beyond a vegito, and in dbz gogeta e vegito they were placed as near on power scaling.

by the way is the strongest character in DBZ not GT, GT gogeta ssj4 is more strong, can not escape that fact.

Only speculation. Vegeta has never been challenged even remotely, for all we know his power level is infinite.

@jazmac: No nobody know for certain what his PL is we can quess by looking at episodes and judge him by his performance. If Super 17 fights Goku SSJ4 and i SEE that altho he is winning he isn't winnig like an boss, then based on that i can say well Super 17 is stronger but he isn't an 1000 times stronger.

@jazmac: No not in the fasion you have in your mind. If you didn't already go read the posts above in witch i post my thoughts on the fight, when your done i like to hear you thoughts about it. Or like i suggested before go watch the episode with your own eyes and then look at my post and see if i'm right: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl3e2SSVvUs&feature=related

@jazmac: Thats why you should watch the video like i suggested because you are leaving alot of stuff out. You only remember those bits but not the other ones and when you watch those you see that Vegito isn't what you think he is. But alright if you don't don't want to then there is no point in discussing these things with you.