Byakuya vs. Gaara

Topic started by Galenbeta on April 21, 2013. Last post by UltimateHero0406 1 year, 2 months ago.
Post by Galenbeta (3,025 posts) See mini bio Level 12
Byakuya Kuchiki's Senbonzakura in Shikai form
Byakuya Kuchiki's Senbonzakura in Shikai form
Gaara prepares to battle Sasuke
Gaara prepares to battle Sasuke

flash step not allowed shukaku is allowed , no kido

Post by Obito (578 posts) See mini bio Level 9
Gaara couldn't even beat Deidara. He stands no chance against a Captain!
Post by Dream (7,096 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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Gaara's sand has had difficulty shielding him against speedy attacks before, with Byakuya being no exception considering he greatly surpasses most characters in Naruto in the speed department. On top of this, the offense coming from Byakuya's bankai attacks would be too overwhelming for Gaara to shield all at once and he'd very likely be offed by the large number of petals and blades coming at him.

Overall, Byakuya shouldn't have much difficulty offing the current Kazekage.

Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,803 posts) See mini bio Level 15
Byakuya wins with low difficulty.
Post by UltimateHero0406 (5,024 posts) See mini bio Level 16

@Obito: The reason Deidara won was because he forced Gaara to use up a lot of energy protecting the village because he knew he might have lost otherwise. If the fight happened somewhere else, Gaara would have won IMO.

And I still see Byakuya winning due to more versatility. But Gaara definitely has a better chance to snare Byakuya in this case.

Post by othus12 (6,198 posts) See mini bio Level 12

byakuya would destroy gaara with relative ease

Post by taichokage (12,478 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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Byakuya with relative ease. Speed blitz, kido, bankai ftw.
Post by phantomrant (1,273 posts) See mini bio Level 10

Op states that Shunpo is not allowed. All we know of Byakuya's base speed is that it's pretty even with a patched Kenpachi's footspeed. Which is nothing compared to a Gaara that was able to intercept a bloodlusted Raikage. But even with Byakuya's speed advantage cut, he still has Hado and Bakudo, and versatility with many numbers of petals ideal for cutting. So Byakuya with mid-high difficulty.

Gaara would stomp if Shukaku is allowed or if the battle takes place in a rocky landscape.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@phantomrant said:

Op states that Shunpo is not allowed. All we know of Byakuya's base speed is that it's pretty even with a patched Kenpachi's footspeed. Which is nothing compared to a Gaara that was able to intercept a bloodlusted Raikage. But even with Byakuya's speed advantage cut, he still has Hado and Bakudo, and versatility with many numbers of petals ideal for cutting. So Byakuya with mid-high difficulty.

Gaara would stomp if Shukaku is allowed or if the battle takes place in a rocky landscape.

How would he stomp if Shukaku is allowed? Yammy was getting bullied by Kenpachi and Byakuya, he clearly has no issues fighting with large opponents.

Post by phantomrant (1,273 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@GIRUGAMESH said:

How would he stomp if Shukaku is allowed? Yammy was getting bullied by Kenpachi and Byakuya, he clearly has no issues fighting with large opponents.

Let's see....

1. Shukaku will keep on fighting regardless of what Byakuya has to offer to him.

2. Byakuya will get one-shotted by the Shukaku.

3. Kenpachi was clearly taking almost all of the fight while Byakuya sat mostly on the sidelines.

4. Yammy is fodder to the Shukaku.

Post by Obito (578 posts) See mini bio Level 9
He still lost....
Post by UltimateHero0406 (5,024 posts) See mini bio Level 16

@phantomrant: Shukaku isn't all that. In the 2 episodes we saw him he talked $#!7, moved pretty slow, got his arm torn off relatively easily. Yammy's hierro is way harder than Shukaku's sand body and Yammy was able to take out Rukia, and Renji who are 1/1000 his size and flashstep users while Shukaku couldn't hit someone a lot slower and the same size as him. Plus Yammy could kill him with 1 cero. Or just a punch really.

Post by PrinceAragorn1 (157 posts) See mini bio Level 4

Gaara should give a good fight if he can keep up..

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

IIRC Gaara has a limited amount of sand right? Even in a case when Byakuya couldn't speed Blitz Senbon Zakura doesn't have the same weakness, he could literally beat down gaaras sand until his defenses wore out and then turn him into a Sand-kebab

Post by solesamurai (1,250 posts) See mini bio Level 8

@phantomrant said:

@GIRUGAMESH said:

How would he stomp if Shukaku is allowed? Yammy was getting bullied by Kenpachi and Byakuya, he clearly has no issues fighting with large opponents.

Let's see....

1. Shukaku will keep on fighting regardless of what Byakuya has to offer to him.

2. Byakuya will get one-shotted by the Shukaku.

3. Kenpachi was clearly taking almost all of the fight while Byakuya sat mostly on the sidelines.

4. Yammy is fodder to the Shukaku.

Shukakau is the weakest of all the tailed beast, yammy is by far more powerful, durable, and large. he'd one shot Shukaku, Not to mention Gaara could never even hope to land a hit on byakuya even without shunpo. Gaara was by far the most useless in the 5 kage vs madara fight, and has had no impressive showing in the last 200 chapters! This is an effortless win in byakuya's favor.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@solesamurai said:

@phantomrant said:

@GIRUGAMESH said:

How would he stomp if Shukaku is allowed? Yammy was getting bullied by Kenpachi and Byakuya, he clearly has no issues fighting with large opponents.

Let's see....

1. Shukaku will keep on fighting regardless of what Byakuya has to offer to him.

2. Byakuya will get one-shotted by the Shukaku.

3. Kenpachi was clearly taking almost all of the fight while Byakuya sat mostly on the sidelines.

4. Yammy is fodder to the Shukaku.

Shukakau is the weakest of all the tailed beast, yammy is by far more powerful, durable, and large. he'd one shot Shukaku, Not to mention Gaara could never even hope to land a hit on byakuya even without shunpo. Gaara was by far the most useless in the 5 kage vs madara fight, and has had no impressive showing in the last 200 chapters! This is an effortless win in byakuya's favor.

This.

Gamabunta was able to put up a fight against Shukaku, Yammy would crush him.

Though I have to say solesamurai, I thought Mei was the most useless of the kages in that fight, and I would say she's also the weakest of them.

Post by phantomrant (1,273 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@UltimateHero0406 said:

@phantomrant: Shukaku isn't all that. In the 2 episodes we saw him he talked $#!7, moved pretty slow, got his arm torn off relatively easily.

Despite the fact that Gambunta stated that it took full effort for him to even cut off Shukaku's arm?

Yammy's hierro is way harder than Shukaku's sand body

Maybe, but that doesnt' mean anything when you have a body made of sand. Byakuya can't do anything to the Shukaku. There's not a single attack or Kido spell he has to even threaten him.

Yammy was able to take out Rukia, and Renji who are 1/1000 his size and flashstep users

1. Were they using Shunpo when Yammy took them out?

while Shukaku couldn't hit someone a lot slower and the same size as him.

Uh.... except he did. They were charging at each other at the same speed.

Plus Yammy could kill him with 1 cero. Or just a punch really.

Uh.... no he can't. His Ceros doesn't have a lot of feats and none of them suggest they can one-shot the Shukaku. Much less a punch.

Shukaku, on the other hand, can one-shot him, as well as the rest of the Espada, with a TBB.

@solesamurai said:

Shukakau is the weakest of all the tailed beast, yammy is by far more powerful, durable, and large. he'd one shot Shukaku,

Whoa, whoa, whoa, where's the logic there? He's the weakest of the Tailed beasts, yes, but Yammy is complete fodder to the rest of the tailed beasts. You're not proving the slightest thing here.

Not to mention Gaara could never even hope to land a hit on byakuya even without shunpo.

Despite the fact that a shunpoless Byakuya lacks the speed feats to even remotely compete with the Raikage?

Gaara was by far the most useless in the 5 kage vs madara fight, and has had no impressive showing in the last 200 chapters! This is an effortless win in byakuya's favor.

WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.

Mei is by far the most useless in the fight, followed by the Raikage. Gaara on the other hand was the second most useful and helpful kage, until the moment Tsunade fired up everyone's morale via the Will of Fire and head everyone badge on Madara. This is the same Gaara that not only contributed a lot to stopping one of Madara's meteors, who not only did the most amount of work in the battle against three different kages (Mu, Mizukage, and his own father) by using the rocky landscape as support for his sand, but also saved Mei's life by pulling him away from getting killed by Susanoo.

A Shunpoless Byakuya's not winning with anything short of high difficulty, and that's assuming Shukaku is restricted and they're fighting in a setting where it's not ideal for Gaara to collect sand.

Post by UltimateHero0406 (5,024 posts) See mini bio Level 16

@phantomrant said:

@UltimateHero0406 said:

@phantomrant: Shukaku isn't all that. In the 2 episodes we saw him he talked $#!7, moved pretty slow, got his arm torn off relatively easily.

Despite the fact that Gambunta stated that it took full effort for him to even cut off Shukaku's arm?

Yammy's hierro is way harder than Shukaku's sand body

Maybe, but that doesnt' mean anything when you have a body made of sand. Byakuya can't do anything to the Shukaku. There's not a single attack or Kido spell he has to even threaten him.

Yammy was able to take out Rukia, and Renji who are 1/1000 his size and flashstep users

1. Were they using Shunpo when Yammy took them out?

while Shukaku couldn't hit someone a lot slower and the same size as him.

Uh.... except he did. They were charging at each other at the same speed.

Plus Yammy could kill him with 1 cero. Or just a punch really.

Uh.... no he can't. His Ceros doesn't have a lot of feats and none of them suggest they can one-shot the Shukaku. Much less a punch.

Shukaku, on the other hand, can one-shot him, as well as the rest of the Espada, with a TBB.

@solesamurai said:

Shukakau is the weakest of all the tailed beast, yammy is by far more powerful, durable, and large. he'd one shot Shukaku,

Whoa, whoa, whoa, where's the logic there? He's the weakest of the Tailed beasts, yes, but Yammy is complete fodder to the rest of the tailed beasts. You're not proving the slightest thing here.

Not to mention Gaara could never even hope to land a hit on byakuya even without shunpo.

Despite the fact that a shunpoless Byakuya lacks the speed feats to even remotely compete with the Raikage?

Gaara was by far the most useless in the 5 kage vs madara fight, and has had no impressive showing in the last 200 chapters! This is an effortless win in byakuya's favor.

WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.

Mei is by far the most useless in the fight, followed by the Raikage. Gaara on the other hand was the second most useful and helpful kage, until the moment Tsunade fired up everyone's morale via the Will of Fire and head everyone badge on Madara. This is the same Gaara that not only contributed a lot to stopping one of Madara's meteors, who not only did the most amount of work in the battle against three different kages (Mu, Mizukage, and his own father) by using the rocky landscape as support for his sand, but also saved Mei's life by pulling him away from getting killed by Susanoo.

A Shunpoless Byakuya's not winning with anything short of high difficulty, and that's assuming Shukaku is restricted and they're fighting in a setting where it's not ideal for Gaara to collect sand.

1. Still, a simple blade attack took the guy's arm off and Gama got away scott free. He's not all that.

2. I'm not arguing Byakuya. I'm arguing Yammy.

3. They were using it most of the fight but he was still able to drop them both in the end. Plus Chad.

4. Shukaku's air bullets (which are his only effective attack) missed Gama who is the same size. Like I said, Yammy tagged Rukia and Renji who are a lot smaller. He even hit Rukia while she was under his body. And Shukaku isn't the most mobile fighter. And yeah that was my point. He could barely fight Gama moving at the same speed while Yammy tagged 2 opponents who were faster than him.

5. Sand is not doing squat to Yammy. Period point blank. He took hits from Kenpachi who would would turn Shukaku into a litter box. And maybe not in one hit I guess but after about 2 or 3 or some balas, Shukaku is going down. They pack a lot more of a punch than air bullets.

Post by taichokage (12,478 posts) See mini bio Level 20
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The fact that Byakuya is nerfed and Gaara boosted should indicate the winner right there. Even with those conditions Byakuya is still advantaged. The Shikaku isnt that impressive.
Post by katanalauncher (397 posts) See mini bio Level 6

Is this Shikai Byakuya only Gaara wins more often.

Gaara is screwed against Bankai unless this take place in a dessert.

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