Buuhan & Janemba vs. Goku SSJ4

Topic started by eddz99 on Aug. 5, 2012. Last post by GIRUGAMESH 1 year, 11 months ago.
Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

Goku ssj4 at baby saga

Janemba at final form

Place: Earth

Rules:

No blowing up planet

Buu cannot transmute goku

Reality warping is allowed

Janemba can be killed and cannot revive,

Post by Destinyheroknight (10,157 posts) See mini bio Level 21

Goku easily, but GT suck :)

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@Destinyheroknight: Last time i checked both buuhan and janemba was able to own goku SSJ3 with no difficulty.. Goku ssj3 = Goku ssj1 GT

Post by Destinyheroknight (10,157 posts) See mini bio Level 21

@eddz99:

But this isn't SSJ1, it SSJ4 which is three time stronger then SSJ1 (and also GT still suck)

Post by SpeedForceSpider (4,803 posts) See mini bio Level 15

@Destinyheroknight: SSJ4 is much more than 3x stronger than a SSJ1. SSJ3 is 4x stronger than a SSJ2. And yes GT is shit and I wish it never came to be.

Post by valfranx (194 posts) See mini bio Level 10

have to see that goku base at the end of dbz, was already at that level is supposed of Uub is that have he level of kidbuu, that would explain why Goku was training to fight with a reincarnation of kidbuu in martial arts tournament.

Look at the power scaling of dbz (saga buu) according to the manga:

ps: For those who do not like reading a summary:

SSjin Vegetto > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Buff Boo > Piccolo-Boo >/< SSjin 3 Gotenks >/< Evil Boo > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Pure Boo > Fat Boo > Pure Evil Boo > Good Boo ~ Base Gotenks > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku

http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/buu-saga-levels-154386/

have to see that goku did not specify the version, since he that said boo´s.

I think goku would not have to become ssj4 need to deal with them. because

kid goku says that his powers of ssj3, were reduced when turned child, also lost skills such as IT, which is only possible in ssj4.

Now we must see that there is a difference in power scaling vs anime movies. cell and gohan SSJ2 are supposed to be in level galaxy buster or multi-galaxy buster galaxy in movies, since the own gohan said the ssj2/SP Cell exceed the powers of broly in movie 8.

SSJ3 or to the ultimate gohan are in a very different level in the movies. buuhan and Janemba without comments. they are a level above ssj4, in my opinion.

look what Janemba and goku SSJ3, could cause the universe:

I did not say that Janemba was affecting the mortal universe, I said baby Janemba was affecting the spiritual universe that is the same size as the mortal universe.

gifs:

hell

heavem:

image of comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBCd9gSHmTs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86blaCqjJNU

universe spiritual is the heaven and hell:

Taking advantage here is a confirmation of the abilities of Janemba in daizenshuu

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/440083-janemba_1.jpg

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/440084-janemba_2.jpg

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/440085-janemba_3.jpg

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/440086-janemba_4.jpg

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/440087-janemba_5.jpg

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/440088-janemba_6.jpg

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/440089-janemba_7.jpg

Goku ssj3:

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@valfranx:"buuhan and Janemba without comments. they are a level above ssj4, in my opinion"

So who do you think will win??

Post by valfranx (194 posts) See mini bio Level 10

because the upgrade of a ssj4 is unknown.

goku ssj4 can be the same level as SSJ3 Goku in the movie 12 or higher is capable of competing with buuhan or Janemba.

Oozaru increases in base goku 10x.

Gold Oozaru increases even more, do not know whether increases in base goku Oozaru in 50x, 100x or 400x. it still has the own increase of ssj4. is finally fpssj4 that overcome the ssj4.

Also I heard that quote is in gt, which puts goku base as galaxy buster.

so is there any chance of goku in gt be as strong as the characters from the movies.

I put Janemba and buuhan (movie version) as above because of the feats and power scaling of different movies. be put to use for power scaling of the anime / manga these characters, gt goku would win without if transform in the ssj4.

Post by jazmac (115 posts) See mini bio Level 9

We only see Janemba rape SSJ3 Goku and in turn get raped by SSJ Gogeta...So who knows if he would win or not...But due to the apparent massive increase in power from DBZ to DBGT aka base goku as a child can beat someone who he states is more powerful than Kid Buu (yes I know that kid buu's greatest asset was his regeneration not his power level) I'll say SSJ4 Goku...

Post by shonen (846 posts) See mini bio Level 9

WTF doesn't Janemba use his Cloning attack more often to mess with stronger fighters ?

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@jazmac: I understand your logic, but where was it stated that he was referring to Kid Buu? It is equally plausible that he was referring to the current Buu at that point, Mr Buu.

I would say that Buuhan and Janemba win after a tough fight, only because reality warping and incredible regen together might be a bit too much for Goku, even at SSJ4.

Post by valfranx (194 posts) See mini bio Level 10

@ Shonen : Yes since the second goku, Janemba is a magician. transmute, create dimensions of nowhere, cloning would be no problem for him, since it already does that when he fights with goku. transforms things into weapons, clones, creates dimensions to send attacks to various directions or cause to enemy attacks go back at them as he did with Goku.

Furthermore it can if you want becomes intangible, he showed this skills.

These are other reasons why I believe that Janemba and buuhan have an advantage here.

Also let's not forget that Janemba could resurrect the dead, then he could resurrect buuhan several times, in addition Janemba already is dead, how to kill or defeat something that is already dead? Simple erasing the existence, goku could do this with genkidama. more buuhan and Janemba would not give this chance.

Janemba could also kill the deads. .

He would do this with Goku SSJ3, he was dead. Dead are immortal in heaven and hell.

conclusion: Janemba and buuhan wins.

Post by eddz99 (2,509 posts) See mini bio Level 11

@valfranx: Janemba can be killed and cannot revive, (NEW RULE)

Post by jazmac (115 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@GIRUGAMESH said:

@jazmac: I understand your logic, but where was it stated that he was referring to Kid Buu? It is equally plausible that he was referring to the current Buu at that point, Mr Buu.

I would say that Buuhan and Janemba win after a tough fight, only because reality warping and incredible regen together might be a bit too much for Goku, even at SSJ4.

it doesn't make sense for goku to be referring to mr Buu as he's a good guy and goku and him never fought, all other versions of Buu are incredibly strong and most of them are more powerful than kid buu. I used to think like you in that GT they're actually weaker than in DBZ but since then I've seen a lot of evidence that contradicts that.

Being dead makes you durable and gives you a larger source of energy to tap into (not a higher power level), is janemba already dead? I thought he was spawned from one of those horned underlings that king yemma controls and none of them are dead, and if i recall he doesn't have a halo above his head but correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@jazmac: He could still be referring to him, it's not as if Goku needs to have fought someone in every case to determine how strong they are. And Mr Buu is the only version of Buu that all 3 of them had encountered before. I still think it's possible.

Post by Jinbeifan1 (3,134 posts) See mini bio Level 14

Buu and Janembabut only because GT sucked ass :P

Post by jazmac (115 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@GIRUGAMESH said:

@jazmac: He could still be referring to him, it's not as if Goku needs to have fought someone in every case to determine how strong they are. And Mr Buu is the only version of Buu that all 3 of them had encountered before. I still think it's possible.

It's much less likely than him just referring to kid buu his last Universe threatening opponent, and since we're now dealing with probabilities I think the consensus will be he's referring to kid buu as imo it still doesn't make sense that he would be referring to someone as weak as mr. buu and even if that is true goku still kicked rildo's ass before he transformed and everything just points to GT people being stronger than there Z counter parts.

Post by ohgodwhy (1,480 posts) See mini bio Level 11

I'm sure he'd be referring to Kid Buu or Super Buu in the same way that if anyone refers to Frieza post Namek arc they're referring to Final Form Frieza or if someone's referring to Cell it's Perfect Cell.

Post by GIRUGAMESH (2,136 posts) See mini bio Level 9

@jazmac: Fair play, I'm willing to accept that.

Regardless I still say the team wins after a tough fight due to their abilities.

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